Thunderbird to Outlook.com

On 2014-05-05, Caver1 wrote:
On 05/05/2014 12:01 PM, lew wrote:
On 2014-05-05, VanguardLH wrote:
lew wrote:



Just using the m$ defender & their other malware scanner; no 3rd party
virus/whatever "protection" schemes. Have now been defeated & just
accept it like long lines at the airport trying to get thru TSA as it
being a payoff for the protection racket.



Why don't you disable Windows Defender temporarily And see what it does?

Just tried it; no difference; also tried disabling the "spyware" check
& it worked?

Turned on both the virus check & spyware check; everything still worked
fine without any delays???!!!

It looks like just turning off the virus & spyware then turning them
on removed the delays I see; don't understand it. Will see if it holds
up for the week! Very, very, very strange!

Ken Blake, MVP wrote, On 5/5/2014 3:43 PM:
On Mon, 05 May 2014 14:45:23 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote, On 5/5/2014 10:37 AM:

Yes, but that doesn't bother me as much as some of the others. Most
people don't get involved with those very often. But it's *very*
common that someone will mistakenly ask for help with Outlook when
they really mean Outlook Express or Outlook.com


Requests for help (and confusion) on OE should diminish rapidly. XP
usages is declining rapidly g


Yes, of course. I'm talking more about what has happened in the past,
although there are still a lot of Outlook Express users around. And
people who are no longer using XP/OE are still asking questions like
"how can I use my Outlook file in Windows Vista/7/8?"


Outlook.com nomenclature ties into the other Office related web apps
available and integrated with OneDrive and Outlook 2013.

Confusing, but it does make some sense.


*Some* sense? Yes. But as far as I'm concerned, it was still a
terrible mistake to call it that. The disadvantages greatly outweigh
the advantages.

Frame of reference especially if one never used the web UI services
and/or apps (I suspect you're more in that boat than most of the 0.5
billion Hotmail users)

With Office web apps integration Outlook was the logical name for the
web e-mail client and supplemented by connectivity and integration in
the desktop Office to that same web UI.

As far as Outlook Express, people have been confusing it with Outlook
for years...imo, the mistake was made by naming it Outlook Express when
an Outlook client already existed....should have used the earlier name
Internet Mail and News.

--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On 5/5/2014 12:16 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:

I never heard anyone say that ES was related to Mozilla, but if I'm
wrong someone will surely inform us...

No relation. Just an assumption by cameo.

Indeed. Sorry about that. I don't know how I've got that impression.
Maybe it is a spinoff of some other project though, isn't it?

cameo wrote:

On 5/5/2014 12:16 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:

I never heard anyone say that ES was related to Mozilla, but if I'm
wrong someone will surely inform us...

No relation. Just an assumption by cameo.

Indeed. Sorry about that. I don't know how I've got that impression.
Maybe it is a spinoff of some other project though, isn't it?

For some reason, the owner/operator of that Usenet service changed his
domain name from motzarella.org (yes, mozzarella mispelled) to
eternal-september.org. The new name was a jibe at the recurring
fall-time influx of noobs into Usenet; see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_september

That Usenet provider has no affiliation with Mozilla or other large
organization or with any software project. If you want more info on the
history of ES then post at eternal-september.talk. I don't think Ray is
going to waste time writing a post with a history of his service,
though.

On Tue, 06 May 2014 01:21:38 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:


As far as Outlook Express, people have been confusing it with Outlook
for years...imo, the mistake was made by naming it Outlook Express when
an Outlook client already existed....should have used the earlier name
Internet Mail and News.


Or any other name that didn't have the word "Outlook" in it.

On 5/5/2014 11:07 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
cameo wrote:

On 5/5/2014 12:16 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:

I never heard anyone say that ES was related to Mozilla, but if I'm
wrong someone will surely inform us...

No relation. Just an assumption by cameo.

Indeed. Sorry about that. I don't know how I've got that impression.
Maybe it is a spinoff of some other project though, isn't it?

For some reason, the owner/operator of that Usenet service changed his
domain name from motzarella.org (yes, mozzarella mispelled) to
eternal-september.org. The new name was a jibe at the recurring
fall-time influx of noobs into Usenet; see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_september

That Usenet provider has no affiliation with Mozilla or other large
organization or with any software project. If you want more info on the
history of ES then post at eternal-september.talk. I don't think Ray is
going to waste time writing a post with a history of his service,
though.

Yes, that's it! I was assuming that Motzarella was an offshoot of Mozilla
because the names sound so similar. Thanks for that reminder.

cameo wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

cameo wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

I never heard anyone say that ES was related to Mozilla, but if I'm
wrong someone will surely inform us...

No relation. Just an assumption by cameo.

Indeed. Sorry about that. I don't know how I've got that impression.
Maybe it is a spinoff of some other project though, isn't it?

For some reason, the owner/operator of that Usenet service changed his
domain name from motzarella.org (yes, mozzarella mispelled) to
eternal-september.org.

Yes, that's it! I was assuming that Motzarella was an offshoot of Mozilla
because the names sound so similar. Thanks for that reminder.

Ray has a penchant for cutsy names. I think Motzarella was used as a
mispelled name for a cheese. Eternal-September has its own humorous
roots. Look at the string he adds for the Organization header (which
comes from a Walt Whitman poem that Ray must've like). His nym of Ray
Banana is a bit comical (his domain shows Wolfgang Weyand as the
registrant).

Ray picked a cheese for his service's name. Mozilla was a blend of
Mosaic and Godzilla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla#History).
I'm not sure how a cheese (mispelled) could be accidentally be
associated to a monster (Godzilla)? Well, I suppose those Godzilla
movies are a bit cheesy.

John wrote:
On Tue, 06 May 2014 08:28:19 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"
wrote:

On Tue, 06 May 2014 01:21:38 -0400, "...winston"
wrote:


As far as Outlook Express, people have been confusing it with Outlook
for years...imo, the mistake was made by naming it Outlook Express when
an Outlook client already existed....should have used the earlier name
Internet Mail and News.

Or any other name that didn't have the word "Outlook" in it.

Like, just as an example, "HotMail"?
Okay, maybe some CEO/VIP up in the mesosphere regions hated the name,
so "Shotmail", "GotMail", "GrotMail", "FraughtMail", "SnotMail" ...
Right, time for sleepybye.
J.

All I have to say about this is... "Cortana".

Picking names for stuff, is apparently hard.
For one thing, you have to be careful of trademarks,
and you also have to pick a name, where a domain
squatter hasn't grabbed a site by that name already.
Which means your "SnotMail" might not be such a bad
choice. I'm off to buy "snotmail.com" right now...

Paul

On 2014-05-07, VanguardLH wrote:
cameo wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

cameo wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:

I never heard anyone say that ES was related to Mozilla, but if I'm
wrong someone will surely inform us...

No relation. Just an assumption by cameo.

Indeed. Sorry about that. I don't know how I've got that impression.
Maybe it is a spinoff of some other project though, isn't it?

For some reason, the owner/operator of that Usenet service changed his
domain name from motzarella.org (yes, mozzarella mispelled) to
eternal-september.org.

Yes, that's it! I was assuming that Motzarella was an offshoot of Mozilla
because the names sound so similar. Thanks for that reminder.

Ray has a penchant for cutsy names. I think Motzarella was used as a
mispelled name for a cheese. Eternal-September has its own humorous
roots. Look at the string he adds for the Organization header (which
comes from a Walt Whitman poem that Ray must've like). His nym of Ray
Banana is a bit comical (his domain shows Wolfgang Weyand as the
registrant).

Ray picked a cheese for his service's name. Mozilla was a blend of
Mosaic and Godzilla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla#History).
I'm not sure how a cheese (mispelled) could be accidentally be
associated to a monster (Godzilla)? Well, I suppose those Godzilla
movies are a bit cheesy.

The original name HAD to be changed......trademark/copyright
violation. At least, that's what I was informed after I couldn't
get on, after the name change & spelled the original name "wrong".

Kinda of reminded me that a restaurant owner could not use his
name as the name of the restaurant; even made the newspapers;
his name had been trademarked for by another restaurant.

Even apple stole the trademark of "iphone"; "iphone" was trademarked
in Brazil by another company.

lew wrote:

The original name HAD to be changed......trademark/copyright
violation. At least, that's what I was informed after I couldn't
get on, after the name change & spelled the original name "wrong".

Someone managed to trademark a food name that was used starting back in
1570? Words that are in common use usually cannot be trademarked since
being common means lots of others have use the name long before wanting
to trademark the name. Well, Apple managed to trademark "apple" (or
maybe what they trademarked was "Apple Inc."). Apple is trying to
trademark the phrase "App Store" so no one else can use it, like
Microsoft.

Reminds of when Lotus sued for a "look and feel" copyright for the slash
key ("/"). They won against Mosaic but later lost against Borland. The
only folks that came out ahead were the lawyers paid by both sides.

Kinda of reminded me that a restaurant owner could not use his
name as the name of the restaurant; even made the newspapers;
his name had been trademarked for by another restaurant.

That is circumvented by using the full (first and last) name of the
owner. No one can trademark your legal name. For example, you need to
register your business (DBA: doing business as) if you don't use your
own name but if you call it "Henry Ford's Enterprises" then someone that
also used the same name cannot sue you. It's your name. There is yet
no requirement that every person donned a name must be assigned a unique
one.

I knew a guy that ran a music CD store called "CD Shack". Tandy warned
him that they would sue if he continued using the "Shack" moniker.
Tandy had trademarked "Shack" (as in Radio Shack which, at one time, was
call "The Shack"). They've done this threatening and suing against
other businesses with "Shack" as a word in the business name. They
can't do anything if Gerry Shack runs a business called "Gerry Shack's
Smoothies" but they can if he calls if "Shack's Smoothies".

But it someone wants to sue they might win despite the stupidity of
their argument. Microsoft had to change SkyDrive to OneDrive because
Sky Communications sued. Apple is running into trademark problems with
its iWatch product because, gee, it's too much like Swatch. Gotta keep
the lawyers happy somehow.

Back to the Future 2
Marty McFly: [Reading the newspaper from 2015] "Within two hours of his
arrest, Martin McFly Jr. was tried, convicted and sentenced to fifteen
years in the state penitentiary."? Within two hours?
Doc: The justice system works swiftly in the future now that they've
abolished all lawyers.

On Wed, 7 May 2014 00:49:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

lew wrote:

The original name HAD to be changed......trademark/copyright
violation. At least, that's what I was informed after I couldn't
get on, after the name change & spelled the original name "wrong".

Someone managed to trademark a food name that was used starting back in
1570? Words that are in common use usually cannot be trademarked since
being common means lots of others have use the name long before wanting
to trademark the name. Well, Apple managed to trademark "apple" (or
maybe what they trademarked was "Apple Inc."). Apple is trying to
trademark the phrase "App Store" so no one else can use it, like
Microsoft.

Read more about trademarks. Purely descriptive terms can not be
trademarked. "Apple" is not purely descriptive of a computer company.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 7 May 2014 00:49:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

lew wrote:

The original name HAD to be changed......trademark/copyright
violation. At least, that's what I was informed after I couldn't
get on, after the name change & spelled the original name "wrong".

Someone managed to trademark a food name that was used starting back in
1570? Words that are in common use usually cannot be trademarked since
being common means lots of others have use the name long before wanting
to trademark the name. Well, Apple managed to trademark "apple" (or
maybe what they trademarked was "Apple Inc."). Apple is trying to
trademark the phrase "App Store" so no one else can use it, like
Microsoft.

Read more about trademarks. Purely descriptive terms can not be
trademarked. "Apple" is not purely descriptive of a computer company.

Neither is "shack".

On 5/6/2014 6:38 PM, lew wrote:
Kinda of reminded me that a restaurant owner could not use his
name as the name of the restaurant; even made the newspapers;
his name had been trademarked for by another restaurant.

I also remember that story.

Even apple stole the trademark of "iphone"; "iphone" was trademarked
in Brazil by another company.

Yes, before Apple came up with iPhone, there was a small Skype phone
called iPhone.

Gene Wirchenko wrote:
On Wed, 7 May 2014 00:49:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

lew wrote:

The original name HAD to be changed......trademark/copyright
violation. At least, that's what I was informed after I couldn't
get on, after the name change & spelled the original name "wrong".

Someone managed to trademark a food name that was used starting back
in 1570? Words that are in common use usually cannot be trademarked
since being common means lots of others have use the name long
before wanting to trademark the name. Well, Apple managed to
trademark "apple" (or maybe what they trademarked was "Apple Inc.").
Apple is trying to trademark the phrase "App Store" so no one else
can use it, like Microsoft.

Read more about trademarks. Purely descriptive terms can not be
trademarked. "Apple" is not purely descriptive of a computer company.

You may recall that Apple Computer was sued by the Beatles record company,
"Apple", for trademark infringement. They won the suit because the two
companies were not competitors. Or, perhaps they won because the Beatles
were long gone by then, and the record company just didn't have the money to
pursue it. Legal matters are not required to make sense. ;-P
--
best regards,

Neil

On Wed, 7 May 2014 13:58:06 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Wed, 7 May 2014 00:49:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

lew wrote:

The original name HAD to be changed......trademark/copyright
violation. At least, that's what I was informed after I couldn't
get on, after the name change & spelled the original name "wrong".

Someone managed to trademark a food name that was used starting back in
1570? Words that are in common use usually cannot be trademarked since
being common means lots of others have use the name long before wanting
to trademark the name. Well, Apple managed to trademark "apple" (or
maybe what they trademarked was "Apple Inc."). Apple is trying to
trademark the phrase "App Store" so no one else can use it, like
Microsoft.

Read more about trademarks. Purely descriptive terms can not be
trademarked. "Apple" is not purely descriptive of a computer company.

Neither is "shack".

And did Radio Shack succeed in any lawsuits about it? Getting
people to knuckle under does not count.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko