PDFs ARGH!

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:27:29 +0000, Tough Guy no. 0000 wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:22:55 -0000, Sam Hill wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:32:39 +0000, Tough Guy no. 0000 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:15:47 -0000, Neil
wrote:
On 11/28/2015 2:53 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
[biggasnip]
Funny how I frequently encounter forms to fill in which cannot be
edited, and have to print them off.

That is not an indication of the default setting of any app. Then
again, you may not have PDF editing tools.

I shouldn't have to. I'm talking about forms for people to fill in
online.

Then why did you start the thread about *PDFs*? Online forms are all
about HTML and server-side web page code. Or ... are you moving the
goalposts again in order to try to save face? Trust me, it won't work.

When I said "forms for people to fill in online", I meant you get the
form online.

What you meant is not what you said. "Fill in online" means go to a web
page and fill in a form.

Snob.

Yeah, that'll get you a lot of help.

Can't remember what it was in reply to. You snipped.

Your newsreader and memory is broken? It was said:
"It sounds like you've never done prepress work."

You did well in "Backpedal School", though.

On 11/28/2015 4:42 PM, Cy Burnot wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 2:53 PM:

Funny how I frequently encounter forms to fill in which cannot be edited, and have to print them off.

How about sending one?

There is a difference between those that can not be edited and those
that can not be saved. The idea of some of the forms is to provide a
fixed format for the form. The user can add the information to the form
in the Reader. He then has two options, one to print to paper or print
to a PDF file. Recent versions of the form template can be saved with
the data.

All of the items that I previously printed to paper so I had an exact
copy that could not be easily edited, I now print to PDF Files.
Documents saved as PDF files logically file on a computer disk are so
much easier to use.

Multi page PDF are much easier to navigate through than ten page documents.

On 11/28/2015 6:14 PM, Cy Burnot wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 5:22 PM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:43:14 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 4:30 PM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:15:03 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 11:15 AM:

No, my point has unchanged, that it's read only to the vast majority.

Hmmm...a file is either read-only or it is not. This does not rely on
the perception of the user. :-)

It relies on the ability of the user and the software he has available. For example Foxit lets you edit when Acrobat does not.

Which Acrobat? Is it distributed with Windows? Which version of Windows?

It's the free thing you get when you click "get acrobat reader" on a website which has a pdf to download.

So you're saying that it is not distributed with Windows?


Since nearly all instructional material is now in PDF format, Most OEM
mainstream computers come wit the Adobe Reader preinstalled, as the
manufacture puts his user manual and trouble shooting guide on the
computer in PDF format

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 11:15 AM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 04:16:33 -0000, Nil
wrote:

On 27 Nov 2015, "Tough Guy no. 1265" wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10:

I haven't moved any posts. My original post was about how PDFs
are not suited to forms to be filled in.

You do know that there's an electronic trail of your posts, do you not?
Your lies and/or confusion is documented. You clearly stated,

PDF is a read only document!

It is not, and everybody seems to know it but you.

And that is still my point.

That's what you've changed your point into in order to avoid admitting
your error, I guess. Either that or you're trolling again.

No, my point has unchanged, that it's read only to the vast majority.
If geeks know about ways to get round it by using different software,
that's irrelevant to Jo Public.


You might be right if the assumption is that "the vast majority" of
users are as uninformed as you assume. I don't assume that. I can talk
my 81-year-old aunt through all sorts of technical stuff.

I think you're short-changing "the vast majority."

But then, maybe that's based on the people you know.


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Cy Burnot wrote on 11/28/2015 4:43 PM:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 4:30 PM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 21:15:03 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 11:15 AM:

No, my point has unchanged, that it's read only to the vast majority.

Hmmm...a file is either read-only or it is not. This does not rely on
the perception of the user. :-)

It relies on the ability of the user and the software he has available. For example Foxit lets you edit when Acrobat does not.

Which Acrobat? Is it distributed with Windows? Which version of Windows?


I don't know of any Adobe Acrobat sw that is distributed with Windows.
Prove it and I'll be happy.

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http://edmullen.net/
I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather did, not screaming and
yelling like the passengers in his car.

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 2:29 PM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 17:34:48 -0000, Ed Mullen
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 11:45 AM:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:41:35 -0000, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/28/2015 10:13 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:06:32 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 15:22:37 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"

wrote:


Most PDFs are forms,


Nonsense!

You get the odd datasheet for electronic components, but that's about
it.

Bull****, I keep dozens of service manuals and operating guides
all in
PDF form.
You obviously haven't got a ****en clue about the real computer
world.

Who said I was talking about the computer world? I was talking about
the average person. Everybody has to fill in forms at some point. Most
people don't download service manuals.


Don't know what world you live in but I get the following PDFs
regularly, emailed to me or downloaded.

Invoices
Printing proofs
Terms of service
Account statements (banking, credit cards, etc.)
Bills
Quotations
Directories
Newsletters
Corporate annual reports
Health insurance information
Tax returns prepared by my CPA
Tax forms
Maps/Directions
Invitations
Insurance policies
Purchase receipts
Theater tickets

Okay, I'm tired of looking through the 1,766 PDF files on just one drive
on my system.

Oh, yeah. I also have a lot of user/product manuals.

If I had to use PDFs that often I'd send a bomb to Adobe HQ.


I was trying to give you the benevfit of doubt and you've finally proven
to me that I shouldn't.

So much for logic when conversing with an asshole.



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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:22:27 GMT, mick wrote:

On 28/11/2015 23:55:23, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:34:49 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:30:21 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:03:29 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:48:57 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:39:44 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

You have based your knowledge of my intelligence on one item alone. That
makes you an idiot who jumps to conclusions.

No! First of all, lying has nothing to do with intelligence. Second,
I've based my estimate of your knowledge, intelligence, and honesty on
everything you've said in this thread.

So as I said, not enough information to draw a conclusion.

No, as I* said, almost certainly enough information to draw a
conclusion.


And also note that as far as I know, everyone else in this newsgroup
agrees with my estimates. If I'm wrong about *everyone* I'm not wrong
by much.

A newsgroup is not a valid random sample of the population.

As far as I'm concerned, being a newsgroup is completely irrelevant.
What you said is what's important and the fact that everyone here
agrees with me is what's important.

He's not worth bothering about Ken. He is an out and out troll


I thought that at first, then decided that I was probably wrong, But I
now think that what I first thought, and what you confirm, is probably
right.


Mick (with the capital letter) and myself have witnessed this elsewhere
and throughout this thread he has entirely ignored our posts and only
replied to others that don't know his background.
He's a windup merchant that needs to be ignored for the sake of the
group.


If he's a troll, you are right, of course. I'll ignore him.

Tough Guy no. 1265 posted this via
news
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

If a Cuban can download enough PDFs, they will build a boat out of them and
their whole neighborhood will float over here to Miami using old straw
brooms as oars, then they will have their babies and VIOLA! "anchor-
babies" they all get to stay in the USA and make the rest of us listen to
"Presione 2 para español" - which could mean ANYTHING if you don't speak
Spanish. It could mean "close your windows and doors because there's a
dust storm coming" and who whould know WTF???

PDFs are downright unpatriotic to Americans but very useful to immigrants -
and much easier than sailing a whole ocean to kill all the Indians and take
the land away. In this way, PDFs are a technological marvel of our times!

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On 28/11/2015 15:23, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 02:45:42 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 8:28 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 27/11/2015 16:40, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:30:32 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable
you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly
faster the
revision X

It's meant to autoupdate.... Or is that broken too?


XI and DC are both supported at the moment and Adobe provide security
updates for both. I think X may still be supoorted too but I'm not sure.
Updating from XI to DC is optional though I thought the Windows versions
nagged you to do it until you explicitly said no to DC.


I believe the situation with Adobe is that Reader X is supported through
Windows XP. If you have Windows 7 or greater you can use XI and DC.
Windows XP will not upgrade to the newer versions.

As I said previously if you have not updated to Reader DC, you are
missing so much. DC runs so much faster that the XI or X.

From this thread there appears to be many who have not used Adobe
Reader DC.

I just let it update itself. If I don't have DC then the update system
is broken.


Not necessarily.

It won't force you to update to DC if you're still using a supported
version. I would have thought it would have offered it as an option by
now though.

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Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:30:21 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:03:29 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:48:57 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:39:44 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

You only had two computer jobs? With your level of knowledge, I'm
surprised you could keep any job that long.

Both places said I was far better than anyone else they'd
employed.

Up until now, I've only said you were mistaken, and didn't know
what you were talking about. But this time, I'm going to say you
are almost certainly lying.

You have based your knowledge of my intelligence on one item alone.
That makes you an idiot who jumps to conclusions.

No! First of all, lying has nothing to do with intelligence. Second,
I've based my estimate of your knowledge, intelligence, and honesty
on everything you've said in this thread.

So as I said, not enough information to draw a conclusion.

And also note that as far as I know, everyone else in this newsgroup
agrees with my estimates. If I'm wrong about *everyone* I'm not wrong
by much.

A newsgroup is not a valid random sample of the population.

it is a valid sample of the opinion of the people that read your ****
you could do the nation a service by killing yourself
this would save us a lot of money in your dole payments and housing benefits
you have never been an asset to society and never will be
the word is ------------ ******

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:48:20 -0000, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 28/11/2015 15:23, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 02:45:42 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 8:28 PM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 27/11/2015 16:40, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:30:32 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/27/2015 11:25 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/26/2015 11:30 AM:
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!


Because it's a very useful tool. Does your pdf reader not enable
you to
fill in pdf forms? If so, get the free Foxit Reader.

I posted earlier that I learned about adding text comments to a PDF
document. I did not say that I am using Adobe Reader DC.

If you have not updated to the DC version it is significantly
faster the
revision X

It's meant to autoupdate.... Or is that broken too?


XI and DC are both supported at the moment and Adobe provide security
updates for both. I think X may still be supoorted too but I'm not sure.
Updating from XI to DC is optional though I thought the Windows versions
nagged you to do it until you explicitly said no to DC.


I believe the situation with Adobe is that Reader X is supported through
Windows XP. If you have Windows 7 or greater you can use XI and DC.
Windows XP will not upgrade to the newer versions.

As I said previously if you have not updated to Reader DC, you are
missing so much. DC runs so much faster that the XI or X.

From this thread there appears to be many who have not used Adobe
Reader DC.

I just let it update itself. If I don't have DC then the update system
is broken.


Not necessarily.

It won't force you to update to DC if you're still using a supported
version. I would have thought it would have offered it as an option by
now though.

Yes an option would be fine. Actually I've no idea what I have as I usually use Foxit or something, or whatever's built into the web browser. I only ever see the Adobe one when I download it for someone else. Checking..... I have XI. Even when opening it (which I might not have done for years), it didn't offer an update. Check for updates gave me DC 15 though. I guess it was 4 versions out of date? I see they're calling it Acrobat again.

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I replied, "Your eyesight's damn near perfect."
And then the fight started.......

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:12:53 -0000, wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 posted this via
news
Why do companies insist on using PDFs where you are required to fill
them in! PDF is a read only document!

If a Cuban can download enough PDFs, they will build a boat out of them and
their whole neighborhood will float over here to Miami using old straw
brooms as oars, then they will have their babies and VIOLA! "anchor-
babies" they all get to stay in the USA and make the rest of us listen to
"Presione 2 para español" - which could mean ANYTHING if you don't speak
Spanish. It could mean "close your windows and doors because there's a
dust storm coming" and who whould know WTF???

PDFs are downright unpatriotic to Americans but very useful to immigrants -
and much easier than sailing a whole ocean to kill all the Indians and take
the land away. In this way, PDFs are a technological marvel of our times!

Please tell me what technique you use to distil whatever you drank just now.

--
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Paddy says "To hell with this!" and storms off.
He comes back upstairs 5 minutes later and his wife asks "What did you do?"
Paddy replies "I've put the dog in our garden. Let's see how they like it!"

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:55:23 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:34:49 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:30:21 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:03:29 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:48:57 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:39:44 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

You have based your knowledge of my intelligence on one item alone. That makes you an idiot who jumps to conclusions.

No! First of all, lying has nothing to do with intelligence. Second,
I've based my estimate of your knowledge, intelligence, and honesty on
everything you've said in this thread.

So as I said, not enough information to draw a conclusion.


No, as I* said, almost certainly enough information to draw a
conclusion.

You've observed me talking about one very specific subject. Not enough information to conclude anything.

And also note that as far as I know, everyone else in this newsgroup
agrees with my estimates. If I'm wrong about *everyone* I'm not wrong
by much.

A newsgroup is not a valid random sample of the population.

As far as I'm concerned, being a newsgroup is completely irrelevant.

Then you're an idiot. A particular newsgroup will draw in a particular type of person with particular skills and personality type. Quite a few of the groups I inhabit are 95% atheist, but I know this is not statistically valid for the whole world or country.

What you said is what's important and the fact that everyone here
agrees with me is what's important.

You sound like a 12 year old.

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:48:22 -0000, Ken Springer wrote:

On 11/28/15 5:22 PM, mick wrote:
On 28/11/2015 23:55:23, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:34:49 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:30:21 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:03:29 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:48:57 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:39:44 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

You have based your knowledge of my intelligence on one item alone. That
makes you an idiot who jumps to conclusions.

No! First of all, lying has nothing to do with intelligence. Second,
I've based my estimate of your knowledge, intelligence, and honesty on
everything you've said in this thread.

So as I said, not enough information to draw a conclusion.

No, as I* said, almost certainly enough information to draw a
conclusion.


And also note that as far as I know, everyone else in this newsgroup
agrees with my estimates. If I'm wrong about *everyone* I'm not wrong
by much.

A newsgroup is not a valid random sample of the population.

As far as I'm concerned, being a newsgroup is completely irrelevant.
What you said is what's important and the fact that everyone here
agrees with me is what's important.

He's not worth bothering about Ken. He is an out and out troll who
moves from one group to another with the sole aim of disrupting and
destroying the group.
Mick (with the capital letter) and myself have witnessed this elsewhere
and throughout this thread he has entirely ignored our posts and only
replied to others that don't know his background.
He's a windup merchant that needs to be ignored for the sake of the
group.

Having just read the entire thread, wonder if Tough Guy is the
stereotypical "Linux Loser" also...

I have nothing to do with Linux.

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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:05:17 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:22:27 GMT, mick wrote:

On 28/11/2015 23:55:23, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:34:49 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:30:21 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:03:29 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:48:57 -0000, Ken Blake, MVP
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:39:44 -0000, "Tough Guy no. 1265"
wrote:

You have based your knowledge of my intelligence on one item alone. That
makes you an idiot who jumps to conclusions.

No! First of all, lying has nothing to do with intelligence. Second,
I've based my estimate of your knowledge, intelligence, and honesty on
everything you've said in this thread.

So as I said, not enough information to draw a conclusion.

No, as I* said, almost certainly enough information to draw a
conclusion.


And also note that as far as I know, everyone else in this newsgroup
agrees with my estimates. If I'm wrong about *everyone* I'm not wrong
by much.

A newsgroup is not a valid random sample of the population.

As far as I'm concerned, being a newsgroup is completely irrelevant.
What you said is what's important and the fact that everyone here
agrees with me is what's important.

He's not worth bothering about Ken. He is an out and out troll


I thought that at first, then decided that I was probably wrong, But I
now think that what I first thought, and what you confirm, is probably
right.


Mick (with the capital letter) and myself have witnessed this elsewhere
and throughout this thread he has entirely ignored our posts and only
replied to others that don't know his background.
He's a windup merchant that needs to be ignored for the sake of the
group.


If he's a troll, you are right, of course. I'll ignore him.

There are two Micks then? There's one that doesn't know where the shift key is.

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