PDFs ARGH!

On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:03:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 3:37 PM:

So what you're saying is you have to use your printer driver to fix Adobe's output, which is giving it slightly more than A4.

Could we back up a bit? What do you mean by "Adobe's output", the
calendar file?

What it passes to the printer driver. It showed 2 pages on the screen, yet gave the printer driver 3 pages.

How was this PDF file created?

Irrelevant to whether it can print the size it says it's going to on the preview.

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Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 4:35 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:03:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 3:37 PM:

So what you're saying is you have to use your printer driver to fix Adobe's output, which is giving it slightly more than A4.

Could we back up a bit? What do you mean by "Adobe's output", the
calendar file?

What it passes to the printer driver. It showed 2 pages on the screen, yet gave the printer driver 3 pages.

How was this PDF file created?

Irrelevant to whether it can print the size it says it's going to on the preview.

I still would like to know, if you don't mind.

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:38:54 -0500, Ed Mullen
wrote:


It's an acronym: Portable Document Format.


I'm one of the last existing holdouts, but as far as I'm concerned, it
is *not* an acronym. It's an abbreviation.

An acronym is a special kind of abbreviation--one that's pronounced
like a word. So Radar, UNESCO, and UNICEF are acronyms. But FAO is not
(at least not in the USA; in Italy, where FAO is headquartered, it's
pronounced FAH-oh, so it is an acronym).

On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:55:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 4:35 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:03:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 3:37 PM:

So what you're saying is you have to use your printer driver to fix Adobe's output, which is giving it slightly more than A4.

Could we back up a bit? What do you mean by "Adobe's output", the
calendar file?

What it passes to the printer driver. It showed 2 pages on the screen, yet gave the printer driver 3 pages.

How was this PDF file created?

Irrelevant to whether it can print the size it says it's going to on the preview.

I still would like to know, if you don't mind.

Why?

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Ken Blake, MVP wrote on 12/1/2015 5:27 PM:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:38:54 -0500, Ed Mullen
wrote:


It's an acronym: Portable Document Format.


I'm one of the last existing holdouts, but as far as I'm concerned, it
is *not* an acronym. It's an abbreviation.

An acronym is a special kind of abbreviation--one that's pronounced
like a word. So Radar, UNESCO, and UNICEF are acronyms. But FAO is not
(at least not in the USA; in Italy, where FAO is headquartered, it's
pronounced FAH-oh, so it is an acronym).


From the Oxford Dictionary:

Definition of acronym in English:
noun

An abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and
pronounced as a word (e.g., ASCII, NASA).



So, how do you pronounce PDF??? :-)

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 5:27 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:55:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 4:35 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:03:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 3:37 PM:

So what you're saying is you have to use your printer driver to fix Adobe's output, which is giving it slightly more than A4.

Could we back up a bit? What do you mean by "Adobe's output", the
calendar file?

What it passes to the printer driver. It showed 2 pages on the screen, yet gave the printer driver 3 pages.

How was this PDF file created?

Irrelevant to whether it can print the size it says it's going to on the preview.

I still would like to know, if you don't mind.

Why?

Just curious. Why are you so reluctant?

On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 17:38:35 -0500, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 0000 wrote on 12/1/2015 5:27 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:55:08 -0000, Cy Burnot
wrote:
Tough Guy no. 0000 wrote on 12/1/2015 4:35 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:03:08 -0000, Cy Burnot
wrote:
[snippage]
How was this PDF file created?

Irrelevant to whether it can print the size it says it's going to on
the preview.

I still would like to know, if you don't mind.

Why?

Just curious. Why are you so reluctant?

I'm guessing he made a stupid mistake and is too embarrassed to tell us
what it was. Something like: scaling the printer output to 110% or similar
without realizing it until someone mentioned it. This fits, right?

On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 22:38:35 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 5:27 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:55:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 4:35 PM:
On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:03:08 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 3:37 PM:

So what you're saying is you have to use your printer driver to fix Adobe's output, which is giving it slightly more than A4.

Could we back up a bit? What do you mean by "Adobe's output", the
calendar file?

What it passes to the printer driver. It showed 2 pages on the screen, yet gave the printer driver 3 pages.

How was this PDF file created?

Irrelevant to whether it can print the size it says it's going to on the preview.

I still would like to know, if you don't mind.

Why?

Just curious. Why are you so reluctant?

Ulterior motive detected.

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On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 12:52:50 -0000, Keith Nuttle wrote:

On 11/30/2015 4:45 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:35:40 -0000, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 11/30/2015 2:56 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 23:38:10 -0000, Cy Burnot
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/28/2015 6:33 PM:

It's the free thing you get when you click "get acrobat reader" on
a website which has a pdf to download.

So you're saying that it is not distributed with Windows?

WTF has that to do with anything? My point is it's the one most
people have. Only computer minded people get alternates.


But if they clicked that link, wouldn't they get the latest Acrobat
Reader???

Well I don't much like Adobe Acrobat Reader DC. Look at this, I'm about
to print February and March calendars in poster form.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/27nw4zis7l....jpg?dl=0&s=sl
Looks fine on the preview doesn't it? But guess what, it comes out on
THREE pages per month. Thanks Adobe for wasting my time and paper. Now
I've got to randomly fiddle with the sizing until it gets it right. I
may just go back to using printscreen and a photo editor to print it. I
would have thought by version 15 Adobe could have mastered printing....

Sorry once again you cannot blame Adobe Reader for this.

Printing is dependent on the print driver not the program from which you
do the printing. If you calendar is printing on multiple pages you need
to go into the properties of the print driver and select a page size
that will keep every thing on one page.

This may be limited by the printer you are using.

No, it's clearly Adobe's fault. What you saw in the link was a dialog
box ***within Adobe Acrobat***. My printer works fine for everything
else, and it takes standard A4. All Acrobat had to do was to send two
images to the printer, the left half of the page, and the right half of
the page. It instead sent the left third, the middle third, and the
right third, after displaying it as two pages in the preview. If I
increase the magnification (which I had to guess at by the way as it
doesn't have a setting for "fit to 2 pages") slightly, then the preview
correctly shows it will take 3 pages. If I reduce it slightly, it then
prints on two pages aswell, but with considerable (about an inch)
margins, yet the printer doesn't have to leave a one inch margin, it can
print with mm of the edges. What appears to be happening is the
calculation for how many pages will be used is done twice, once for the
preview, and then again when I press print, and slightly differently.
So a complete and utter fail for Adobe.

Try an experiment. Change the paper size in the printer driver and see
what happens.

I have run into this many times when trying to print large charts to PDF
printers, and through trial and error realized that the program has no
control of the printer paper size.

If the printer was not in control, you could print a 32" by 22" chart to
the printer that is limited by 8"X 11.5" inch paper and get a one page
print out of your chart.

No need to experiment, I print from another program and don't have to fiddle. No other program ****s up this monumentally.

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On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 05:21:31 -0000, Ken Springer wrote:

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On 2015-11-30 10:42 AM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 00:26:31 -0000, Ken Springer
wrote:

On 11/26/15 2:23 PM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 26 Nov 2015 12:53:21 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 11/26/2015 12:37 PM, Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote:

That's my point. The standard Adobe Reader, which
is what Jo Public has, doesn't let you edit most
of them.


Lots of people use Foxit and Sumatra, among others, I
gave up on Adobe ages ago.


I'm with you. I use Foxit Reader and like it much
better than Adobe Reader.

I use Apple's Preview for virtually all my PDF needs.

What is a traitor like you doing in the Windows newsgroup?
BOIL HIS HEAD!

What a worthless product Apple offers. The slowest
filesystem, the heaviest GUI, the most expensive hardware.

Garbage, all of it.

But...

Careful, you're starting to sound like a Windows Fanboi! G

1. It always runs, never locks up except for OE issues.

Not true. My mom's Mac locks up randomly. I have yet to visit
her home without feeling entirely frustrated with the experience
her Mac provides.

The question we should ask, what's causing the issues? Is it OS or
software? The only way to know this is to reinstall your Mom's Mac
from scratch, no additional software. If there's no problems, I'd
postulate the problems are software related. The same as I would
with Windows.

The problem is that Apple never provided her with an operating system
disc or USB key so the solution wouldn't work either way. Not only
that but it was problematic almost from the very beginning AND there
is little software on there other than LibreOffice and iPhoto. It's
also a Core i5 running at 2.5GHz with 4GB of RAM, specifications on
which Windows would absolutely fly so there's no excuse for how awful
the experience is.

I don't know what version she had, but IIRC correctly, Apple stopped
using discs starting with Lion, which I never used. My impression from
the Mac Users Group was Lion was pretty bad. Everything was done by
downloading from the App Store, and I've no idea how you would do that
if you had to replace the hard drive, for instance. Or simply reinstall.

Egad! No disk! FFS!

2. No Patch Tuesday issues to screw things up.

They have patches on other days and they cause just as many
issues. I have yet to experience any in Windows with an update
though I've heard that it happens.

I've never had issues with either, but I also have to point out
that I've rarely been on the current OS of either platform. So
that may have a bearing on no issues.

This iMac is the only "brand new" computer I've owned in 20+ years.
Updates have never had a problem. OTOH, the 3rd attempt to update
Windows 10 has just failed. Want to tell me again how there's no
problems there? G

I didn't have trouble with Windows 10 on my GT72. Instead of trying
again, you might want to consider that maybe Microsoft provided you
with an error message stating WHY it failed. Remedy that first and
THEN try again.

An error message saying there was a problem installing updates isn't
very helpful. LOL Failed on the 4th try too. So, downloaded the
current Media Creation tool, failed here too, a number of times. Got
another more or less useless message, something about setup failing to
run. Sorry, don't remember the exact wording.

But I did search on the exact phrase after a couple attempts, found one
result that said to remove the hidden file $Windows-WS (I think that's
right) and it worked for the poster. Not here. :-( Tried a couple of
times, no go. The upgrade process creates this file.

Since it's time to hit the hay, decided to simply try removing the -WS
file and the -BT file (which contains the W10 files for installation
apparently), and going to try the update route again overnight. Maybe
there was a munged file in the -BT folder. I'll know in the morning.

I really can't see why people moan about windows updates not working. On thousands of different computers, all different hardware, I've always just installed every windows update. Sometimes it will say 17 succeeded, 2 failed, so I just update again and the other two go on.

3. After 6.5 years, still a superior display to my eyes.

Maybe the screen itself is, but the GUI isn't.

The comment wasn't implying the GUI, but display of photos.

Both GUIs are getting crappy, IMO. But I do like what MS has done
with the W10 Start Menu.

Windows 10 is actually a perfect GUI. It's a perfect compromise for
those who want a classic feel and those who want something which works
wonderfully with a touchscreen. My wife has the operating system on
her Yoga Pro 3 and though she is picky, she thinks Windows 10 is
perfect as well.

I think MS has done an excellent job with the Start Menu. But I really
don't like their "data mining" being turned on by default. Some of
those features are needed for spiffy things like Cortana's finding the
nearest pizza place if you're out and about, but not needed on a
desktop. Simple Google search should provide the same thing.

For that matter, do a Google search on that wallet sized Windows phone. LOL

I like the taskbar on windows, macs have a **** taskbar. Can't tell the difference between an alias/link and a running program.

Being slow as molasses might result in appearing smooth, but it's
still slow as molasses.

Much more subliminal than that for me.

You're making yourself like it. I did the same when I ran Macs between
2003 and 2005. However, I had to buy a laptop in 2005 and Apple was
selling G4 units back then for way too high a price. I therefore got a
PC with Windows XP and when I ran it, I remembered just how much
quicker the PC was. I never ran a Mac again after that.

It's not making myself like it. It's the little things like printing
from the sticky notes and the overall feel I like, much better than any
Windows version. Don't know enough about 10 yet, but I do abhor the
wasted screen space of many dialogue boxes and web pages I find that
kow-tow (SP?) to tablets and smartphones.

For example?

People want hardware that actually enables them to do something.
Printing a grocery list interests you and only you.

All of that went right over your head. :-(

Until your last paragraph. "People want hardware that actually
enables them to do something." That's exactly right. And MS
seems to miss out a lot, not doing things like printing in
something where it should be obvious people would like to print at
that point, in the example above.

FWIW, my grocery lists are handwritten. And it was a scenario
only.

I actually wrote a very simple computer system proposal using OS X
sticky notes, including formatting. Try that in Windows. I
don't think you can save/export your sticky note text either.

Just because a particular OS doesn't fit you, that doesn't mean it
doesn't fit someone else.

Most people would have found a mere text editor to be more than enough
for note-taking and for printing those notes. What you seem to require
from a note-taking application is exclusive to you; nobody else on the
planet would care as much as you do.

Stickies are just much easier to work with, IMO, than a text editor such
as Notepad or TextEdit. And each note is a less cluttered feel than a
window for each note.

I've never felt the need to write lots of little notes. What's it for?

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On Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:37:45 -0500, Cy Burnot
wrote:

Ken Blake, MVP wrote on 12/1/2015 5:27 PM:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:38:54 -0500, Ed Mullen
wrote:


It's an acronym: Portable Document Format.


I'm one of the last existing holdouts, but as far as I'm concerned, it
is *not* an acronym. It's an abbreviation.

An acronym is a special kind of abbreviation--one that's pronounced
like a word. So Radar, UNESCO, and UNICEF are acronyms. But FAO is not
(at least not in the USA; in Italy, where FAO is headquartered, it's
pronounced FAH-oh, so it is an acronym).


From the Oxford Dictionary:

Definition of acronym in English:
noun

An abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and
pronounced as a word (e.g., ASCII, NASA).



Yes.



So, how do you pronounce PDF??? :-)



Each letter is pronounced, so it's Pee-Dee-Eff. PDF has no vowels in
it, so it's very hard to treat it as an acronym. I suppose you could
treat it as a acronym and pronounce it something like Puh-duff, but
I've never heard anyone say anything like that.

Back in the 1960s when the IBM 360 first came out, one of the
available operating systems for it was DOS, always treated as a plain
abbreviation and pronounced Dee-Oh-Ess. But for the PC's operating
system, almost everyone treated the name as a acronym and said Doss.

On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 00:19:22 -0000, Monty wrote:

On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:31:26 -0500, Cy Burnot
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/30/2015 2:56 PM:

Well I don't much like Adobe Acrobat Reader DC. Look at this, I'm about to print February and March calendars in poster form.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/27nw4zis7l....jpg?dl=0&s=sl
Looks fine on the preview doesn't it? But guess what, it comes out on THREE pages per month. Thanks
Adobe for wasting my time and paper. Now I've got to randomly fiddle
with the sizing until it gets it right. I may just go back to using
printscreen and a photo editor to print it. I would have thought by
version 15 Adobe could have mastered printing....

This is NOT an Adobe problem; definitely a case of PEBKAC !

For starters, you have defined that you want an A3 size print -
This is obvious from the paper dimensions of 16.53 x 11.69 inches (420
x 297 mm) in the diagram you posted to dropbox.

Given that your printer cannot print on A3 paper, the driver does its
best to print on whatever size paper you have in your printer (I would
guess A4).

Given that the pages selected to be printed are pages 2-3, you should
not be surprised that the output was spread over 3 pages - however, it
is not clear what data would be on page 1.

The fix for the problem is squarely in your court !

You're talking absolute and utter bull****. I want an A3 size print using two A4 sheets of paper, clearly shown by the dotted line between the two A4s in the preview. Adobe has a function called poster which is supposed to handle this. It should send each half of each page of the PDF to the printer on a seperate page, which I can then stick together on the wall. It fails at this simple task.

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On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 01:36:33 -0000, Ed Mullen wrote:

Monty wrote on 11/30/2015 7:19 PM:
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:31:26 -0500, Cy Burnot
wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 11/30/2015 2:56 PM:

Well I don't much like Adobe Acrobat Reader DC. Look at this, I'm about to print February and March calendars in poster form.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/27nw4zis7l....jpg?dl=0&s=sl
Looks fine on the preview doesn't it? But guess what, it comes out on THREE pages per month. Thanks
Adobe for wasting my time and paper. Now I've got to randomly fiddle
with the sizing until it gets it right. I may just go back to using
printscreen and a photo editor to print it. I would have thought by
version 15 Adobe could have mastered printing....

This is NOT an Adobe problem; definitely a case of PEBKAC !


Do you really feel the need to confuse and obfuscate your reply by using
an acronym that I'll be forced to look up? Why don't you just say what
your mean?

He must work in HR.

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Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 5:50 PM:

Ulterior motive detected.

Such as???

On Tue, 01 Dec 2015 23:25:13 -0000, Cy Burnot wrote:

Tough Guy no. 1265 wrote on 12/1/2015 5:50 PM:

Ulterior motive detected.

Such as???

Dunno, you snipped it.

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