Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google "mail" account - so all benefit from our efforts

Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google "mail"
account - so all benefit from our efforts!
o https://protonmail.com/ free, no private information, no IP logs
o https://tutanota.com/ free, no private information, no IP logs
o https://mail.yandex.com/ free?, no private info, IP logs?

On the home repair ng, Clare Synyder & rbowman kindly suggested perfectly
viable _alternatives_ to a free Google Gmail account, which I'd like to
explore for the team - with the help of the team - so that the team
benefits (as do I) from the information we jointly bring to the table.
o Google keeps a log of all your electronic parts, brakes, tools, and
automotive tires digital receipts emailed to your GMail account.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.home.repair/V3kuohx1vf8/9zXep10TAQAJ

On that post above, others were suggested, which I list here, but which
failed my first-pass attempt, where, always, the extreme expense of
freeware is always in the testing and choosing of the best ones, which is
always best done as a group so that we end up with a global solution.
o https://www.axigen.com/ mail & calendar, (business solution)
o https://teksavvy.com/services/ seems to be an ISP???
o https://www.zoho.com/mail/ free, requires personal information
o https://www.gmx.com/mail/ free, requires personal information,

Also a "mail2web" mechanism was suggested, which I'm still a bit confused
about as to how it could possibly replace Google Gmail functionality:
o http://mail2web.com/
Where they apparently also use Horde, Roundcube, and Squirrelmail:
o Horde webmail - full suite of feaures
o Roundcube webmail - most populare - but with limited features
o Squirrelmail webmail - limited functionality but easy to use (died 4/2018)

In summary, this thread is asked to hone and define the best REPLACEMENTS
to Gmail, which, offhand, I assume the goal would be the following:
o Free, lots of storage, low spam, as little spying as possible
Anything else?

Do you have _other_ freeware Gmail replacement suggestions for the team?

On 5/19/19 PDT 7:23 PM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google "mail"
account - so all benefit from our efforts!

Lets not do so here.

"John McWilliams" wrote

| Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google
"mail"
| account - so all benefit from our efforts!
|
| Lets not do so here.

Better yet, let's point out that there are very cheap
email services and that one can get a domain and have
their own email -- dozens of addresses -- managed by
their host. Why does everything have to be free? People
pay $4 for a cup of coffee but won't pay $2/month for
honest, non-spyware email service.

Note the redirection after it posts to all of the groups...

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On 5/19/19 PDT 7:23 PM, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google "mail"
account - so all benefit from our efforts!

Lets not do so here.

On 5/19/19 PDT 10:15 PM, John Doe wrote:
Note the redirection after it posts to all of the groups...


Sleuth! Well done, ace.

On 20/05/2019 04.23, Arlen G. Holder wrote:
Let's document the best known current free REPLACEMENTS for Google "mail"
account - so all benefit from our efforts!

Replacement as in Android phones will use that instead of Gmail? Ha,
good luck with that.

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Cheers, Carlos.

"Carlos E.R." Wrote in message:

Replacement as in Android phones will use that instead of Gmail? Ha,good luck with that.-- Cheers, Carlos.

Why luck ?
You can use any POP3/IMAP4 account on an Android phone,
using a 3rd party email client.
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On 20/05/2019 12.00, Libor Striz wrote:
"Carlos E.R." Wrote in message:

Replacement as in Android phones will use that instead of Gmail? Ha,good luck with that.-- Cheers, Carlos.

Why luck ?
You can use any POP3/IMAP4 account on an Android phone,
using a 3rd party email client.

Sure. *Only* for email.

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On 20/05/2019 12.00, Libor Striz wrote:
"Carlos E.R." Wrote in message:

Replacement as in Android phones will use that instead of Gmail?
Ha,good luck with that.-- Cheers, Carlos.

Why luck ?
You can use any POP3/IMAP4 account on an Android phone,
using a 3rd party email client.

Sure. *Only* for email.


Indeed.

It's a shame there aren't any good caldav clients / apps for android.
But then again, https://my.site.tld/hordemail isn't exactly a pain to
navigate to.


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On Mon, 20 May 2019 10:58:18 -0000 (UTC), Dan Purgert wrote:

It's a shame there aren't any good caldav clients / apps for android.

Hi Dan Purgert,

Since Usenet is a potluck, everyone brings what value they can.

We go way back where you generally post one or two adult posts before
instantly devolving into a whiny senseless child with nothing to offer.

Nonetheless, I will "mirror" what I perceive to be your purposefully
helpful comment by noting that there are free Android apps which do not
require a CalDAV server, such as what I use, from F-Droid, where it
was still free when I last downloaded it, which is the SimpleMobileTools
calendar app, which imports/exports ICAL *.ics files with aplomb.
https://www.simplemobiletools.com/

To be clear, I researched only a portion of this calendaring topic a while
ago, where I note the Android & iOS-related threads below, where _my_
goal was to NOT put my calendar on the Internet, which is a different
goal than you appear to have.

Given that your goal is different, these threads may not help you
as much as they help those who want to keep their calendar off the
net - but there are caldav enabled apps in those lists, I believe.

ANDROID:
o Has anyone here ever set up a CalDAV server on Windows for use with Android CalDAV clients?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/52iSsFUQinE/AflgVrHVEAAJ

IOS:
o Does a free offline non-Internet calendar app exist for iOS that imports/exports ICS text files?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/OzUOmgJLmZs/Xzx9DMxnFAAJ
NOTE: As of the last post, iOS appears to lack this free functionality.

It appears you're making the observation that a good CalDAV
client doesn't exist on Android - which is an interesting topic.

Since those threads were seeking an _offline_ solution, I ran a
quick search just now for you, Dan, to see if there are any good
CalDAV clients on Android, where that quick search found this as
the first hit:
o CalDAV Clients/Android
https://wiki.davical.org/index.php/CalDAV_Clients/Android

Second hit:
o CalDAV/CardDAV solution for Android
https://www.davx5.com/

To your point, Dan, this third hit points to a supposedly simple
Android CalDAV client - but it doesn't appear to be on Google Play anymore.
o How to configure Caldav/Carddav on Android
https://www.namecheap.com/support/knowledgebase/article.aspx/9272/2171/how-to-configure-caldavcarddav-on-android

Hmmmm... even though I have no need for a CalDAV client at the
moment (since I already have a working private LAN solution),
it's _interesting_ your claim that Android doesn't have a viable
CalDAV client.

Searching on Google Play from my desktop, this pops up, althouth
it's not a free app (which kills it's use for general purposes):
o CalDAV-Sync, by dmfs GmbH
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dmfs.caldav.lib

Here's another payware CalDAV & CardDAV client on Android
o DAVx� (DAVdroid) – CalDAV/CardDAV Client, by bitfire
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.bitfire.davdroid

And another:
o CalendarSync - CalDAV by Calendar/Task/Contact Sync Mobile
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icalparse

Dunno if this works, but it appears to be free:
o Caldav Sync Free Beta, by gege
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.gege.caldavsyncadapter

In summary, it's surprising if it's a fact that Android doesn't have
a free CalDAV-enabled client - which I hope Dan Purgert (and others)
can edify the rest of us on the status (since I don't use them).

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Dan Purgert: Please don't turn into an instant child in your response.
This post was intended to be purposefully helpful; treat it as such.
You're welcome to factually refute what I wrote as I don't claim to be
an expert on Android CalDAV clients (since I don't use them).
Just remember please - Usenet is a potluck to bring value in every post.

"Carlos E.R." Wrote in message:

Sure. *Only* for email.-- Cheers, Carlos.

Google mail account is one thing,
Google ID is another thing.

There was request for replacement of Google mail account, not of Google ID.

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On Mon, 20 May 2019 12:00:52 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:

You can use any POP3/IMAP4 account on an Android phone,
using a 3rd party email client.

Hi Poutnik,
I'm not sure what Carlos' problem is, but I think, based on what he wrote
elsewhere, that he owns what appears to be an imaginary belief system about
Android, which, in his mind (and in the mind of nospam, apparently),
_requires_ an "email" account (of some sort) in order for Android to work.

That their belief system is completely imaginary has long ago been proven
o Where I _think_ that's what Carlos' is alluding to here.

Interestingly, it's iOS that _requires_ a user account; not Android
o Anyone with a belief system based on _facts_ would instantly know that

However, I didn't write to waste time on anything Carlos bull****s
o I came to state that, over the past few days, I _tested_ five (5) of the
free email services which Clare Snyder had kindly suggested, where I'll
report elsewhere in this thread my results to date.
o GMX
o Proton Mail
o Tutanota
o Yandex
o Zoho

I've only been testing them for a couple of days, where they seem to be
perfectly reasonable replacements for Gmail, so far, based only on quick
tests by sending friends and family messages to respond to accordingly.

I'll write up a separate more detailed report so that others benefit from
every action, as Usenet is a potluck where we prove our value only by what
we bring to share.

"Arlen G. Holder" Wrote in message:
.Hi Poutnik,I'm not sure what Carlos' problem is, but I think, based on what he wrote elsewhere, that he owns what appears to be an imaginary belief system about Android, which, in his mind (and in the mind of nospam, apparently),_requires_ an "email" account (of some sort) in order for Android to work.

Using term "email" account may be unlucky, possibly leading to confussion.

I would distinguish
Google ID with email address format
and
Google/Gmail email account linked to such ID.

As one can use the ID for general Google authentication, but not it's email account,
or vice versa
or both.


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On Wed, 22 May 2019 09:07:26 +0200 (GMT+02:00), Libor Striz wrote:

Using term "email" account may be unlucky, possibly leading to confussion.

I would distinguish
Google ID with email address format
and
Google/Gmail email account linked to such ID.

As one can use the ID for general Google authentication, but not it's email account,
or vice versa
or both.

Hi Poutnik,

Yours is a good point, where I am clarifying here that I'm talking about a
Google Account, which, to my knowledge, and, so far, to anyone's knowledge
who has responded, is NOT needed for Android to work just fine.

I've had, for quite some time now, no Google Account on my Android phone,
even as I own a Google Email Address that I can access on my Android phone.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I originally tried to access that Google mail
account using the Gmail app, but that app, paradoxically, _insisted_ on
syncing my contacts and other files with Google servers, against my wishes
- so I have replaced it with a non-Google MUA (such as K-9 is) as per:
o GSF independent free, ad free, email programs for Android on Google Play
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/fQPHDg9VutI/8QhMreVoCwAJ

Bear in mind the goal of this thread is to improve our capabilities
o By eliminating the Google Account altogether - including Email.

My belief system is not imaginary like nospam's often proves to be.
o I do NOT have a Google Account and my unrooted Android works fine...

AFAICT...
1. There's full access to Android sans a Google Account
2. There's full access to the Google Play store (via Aurora)
3. There's full access to system updates (AFAIK)
4. There's full access to app updates (via Aurora, F-Droid, etc.)
5. There's full access to automatic backups,
etc.

Since my belief system is not only _based_ on facts ...
o But my belief system is bolstered by facts.

I _love_ facts - so I'm not afraid of technical facts like nospam is
o I'm not afraid to ask direct challenging questions about facts

I've asked the relevant question of _others_ over in this thread:
o Is there any free FUNCTIONALITY that you need to do on Android, that you can't do WITHOUT a Google Account?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/xzaii4eUY_E/8ZI6VRL8AAAJ

Nobody has come up with any justification for what Carlos & nospam claim
o Not even Carlos or nospam, which, interestingly, is always the case

It's terrifying how many people own completely imaginary belief systems
o Which are based, apparently, on exactly _zero_ actual facts.

Moving forward, in _testing_ the Google Account replacements specifically
for email, I tested the following, so far, with their free web access:
o GMX https://www.gmx.com/mail/
o Proton Mail https://protonmail.com/
o Tutanota https://tutanota.com/
o Yandex https://mail.yandex.com/
o Zoho https://www.zoho.com/mail/

Someone who was being purposefully helpful suggested testing IMAP/POP3
o Where they prefer Thunderbird (but, personally, I hate Thunderbird)

Hence, I'll be testing their IMAP/POP access suggestion using the
cross-compatible Mac Linux Windows Android & iOS "Claws" MUA...
o Claws Mail https://www.claws-mail.org/

With the following IMAP/POP settings, which I need to hone better:
GMX:
o POP3: pop.gmx.com:995/SSL/TLS 110/none
o IMAP4: imap.gmx.com:993/SSL/TLS 143/none
o SMTP: mail.gmx.com:465/TLS 587/none
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Proton:
o POP3: web only?
o IMAP4: web only?
o SMTP: web only?
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Tutanota:
o POP3: web only?
o IMAP4: web only?
o SMTP: web only?
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Yandex:
o POP3: pop.yandex.com:995/SSL
o IMAP4: imap.yandex.com:993/SSL
o SMTP: smtp.yandex.com:465/SSL 587/SSL
o Username:
o Password: fubar

Zoho:
o POP3: pop.zoho.eu:995/SSL
o IMAP4: imap.zoho.eu:993 SSL
o SMTP: smtp.zoho.eu:587/TLS 465/SSL
o Username:
o Password: fubar

As always, I'll share my results with the team since Usenet is a potluck
where everyone's value is in what technical information they bring to the
table.

After preliminary lookups on the settings for each server, the only two
that I expect might be problematic, are Proton Mail & Tutanota, where I ask
others, who are more experienced than I, to add their knowledge and wisdom
to the Usenet potluck picnic so that all benefit from their efforts.

The goal is noble, which is to find a decent replacement for the Google
Email account - where any purposefully helpful adult related technical
information is both welcomed and appreciated - as rare as it may be.

"Carlos E.R." wrote

| Replacement as in Android phones will use that instead of Gmail? Ha,
| good luck with that.
|

My ladyfriend has an Android. I'm not sure she even knows
her gmail address. They forced her to have one when she got
the phone. Just another Google sleazeball move that was
irrelevant to her.

If I remember correctly her email program is called
Nine. She's very happy with it. The program she had with the
phone started complaining about security. She was frustrated.
So I looked online for ideas. An hour later she had the new
program and has been happy with that ever since. She uses
her ISP address with IMAP, I think, then uses POP on her
computer, so she always gets a copy of all email on her
computer and all of it gets erased from the POP server, but
she can send and receive on her phone as needed.