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Hi All,
On the "oh no" front, Son-of Frankenstein (W10 preview) is now requiring mandatory updates. And, I can't help but notice that the first update I did required me to reinstall the entire OS. M$ has a bad history of bad updates. Here are 20 examples for your amusement: http://www.infoworld.com/article/288...meltdowns.html I wish M$ would reverse themselves on this. -T |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:48:11 -0800, T wrote:
Hi All, On the "oh no" front, Son-of Frankenstein (W10 preview) is now requiring mandatory updates. And, I can't help but notice that the first update I did required me to reinstall the entire OS. [snip] I wish M$ would reverse themselves on this. You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. |
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Geoff wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:48:11 -0800, T wrote: Hi All, On the "oh no" front, Son-of Frankenstein (W10 preview) is now requiring mandatory updates. And, I can't help but notice that the first update I did required me to reinstall the entire OS. [snip] I wish M$ would reverse themselves on this. You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. Unfortunately, the plan is for the Win10 RTM to do the same thing. This will be accompanied with a new Terms and Conditions for Windows 10. It states: "You don't own this computer. It now belongs to Microsoft. You have to ask nicely, if you want a few cycles. We're busy now, so go away." That's the Windows 10 T&C. And this is how Skynet started... HTH, Paul |
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In message , Geoff
writes On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:48:11 -0800, T wrote: Hi All, On the "oh no" front, Son-of Frankenstein (W10 preview) is now requiring mandatory updates. And, I can't help but notice that the first update I did required me to reinstall the entire OS. You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. I can't see any problem with mandatory updates of pre-release code. Anything else would be a waste of everyone's time. But what is worrying is the way that Windows update was dumbed down when being moved from Control Panel to Settings, and the fact that I saw a statement that this would be changed for the release version, but another statement in a Microsoft blog appeared to contradict this. I've just had to bring a machine up to date from the recovery partition on a W7 laptop. This involved a bunch of updates, then a service pack, then another bunch of updates. On several attempts the update process ran for ages, then said the updates had failed. To get round this, the updates had to be installed in small batches. I don't think the order had to be changed, but rather that early updates had to be fully installed via a restart before the others would "take". In these circumstances all or nothing updates don't work and would be a deal-breaker. Also Microsoft seems to be saying that the versions of W10 issued to the public would have updates that included 'improvements', new features and developments. The implication of the blog was that these would be mandatory for the 'public', but that corporate users would have different long term support versions that would not have mandatory updates. I have sent feedback to Microsoft about this and suggested in the forum that there needs to be a clear statement of policy. -- Bill |
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On 27/02/2015 12:56 pm, Bill wrote:
In message , Geoff writes On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:48:11 -0800, T wrote: Hi All, On the "oh no" front, Son-of Frankenstein (W10 preview) is now requiring mandatory updates. And, I can't help but notice that the first update I did required me to reinstall the entire OS. You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. I can't see any problem with mandatory updates of pre-release code. Anything else would be a waste of everyone's time. But what is worrying is the way that Windows update was dumbed down when being moved from Control Panel to Settings, and the fact that I saw a statement that this would be changed for the release version, but another statement in a Microsoft blog appeared to contradict this. I've just had to bring a machine up to date from the recovery partition on a W7 laptop. This involved a bunch of updates, then a service pack, then another bunch of updates. On several attempts the update process ran for ages, then said the updates had failed. To get round this, the updates had to be installed in small batches. I don't think the order had to be changed, but rather that early updates had to be fully installed via a restart before the others would "take". In these circumstances all or nothing updates don't work and would be a deal-breaker. Also Microsoft seems to be saying that the versions of W10 issued to the public would have updates that included 'improvements', new features and developments. The implication of the blog was that these would be mandatory for the 'public', but that corporate users would have different long term support versions that would not have mandatory updates. I have sent feedback to Microsoft about this and suggested in the forum that there needs to be a clear statement of policy. I have done likewise. The whole update procedure is unclear and vague, and takes away too much user control. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England If a man stands in the middle of the forest speaking and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? |
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On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:49:34 -0800, Geoff
wrote: You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. A strong ditto! |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 01:54:31 -0500, Paul wrote:
Geoff wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:48:11 -0800, T wrote: Hi All, On the "oh no" front, Son-of Frankenstein (W10 preview) is now requiring mandatory updates. And, I can't help but notice that the first update I did required me to reinstall the entire OS. [snip] I wish M$ would reverse themselves on this. You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. Unfortunately, the plan is for the Win10 RTM to do the same thing. Not to disagree, but it remains to be seen. Plans sometimes *do* change. |
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On 27/02/2015 4:49 am, Geoff wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:48:11 -0800, T wrote: Hi All, On the "oh no" front, Son-of Frankenstein (W10 preview) is now requiring mandatory updates. And, I can't help but notice that the first update I did required me to reinstall the entire OS. [snip] I wish M$ would reverse themselves on this. You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. One of the problems, though, is that we aren't being told what is experimental for the sake of it, and what is permanent and will form part of Windows 10. Now, therefore, is the time to start commenting about silly features like the current update set-up - not when it has become a permanent feature and it is too late to say anything. That, I thought, was the whole idea of releasing the preview - so Microsoft can judge how new "features" will be accepted and act accordingly. In this case, since it worked fine before, and doesn't now, one would have thought they could have guessed anyway, and left it alone. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England Karaoke is Japanese for tone-deaf! |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:01:56 +0000, Bob Henson
wrote: On 27/02/2015 4:49 am, Geoff wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:48:11 -0800, T wrote: Hi All, On the "oh no" front, Son-of Frankenstein (W10 preview) is now requiring mandatory updates. And, I can't help but notice that the first update I did required me to reinstall the entire OS. [snip] I wish M$ would reverse themselves on this. You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. One of the problems, though, is that we aren't being told what is experimental for the sake of it, and what is permanent and will form part of Windows 10. Now, therefore, is the time to start commenting about silly features like the current update set-up - not when it has become a permanent feature and it is too late to say anything. That, I thought, was the whole idea of releasing the preview - so Microsoft can judge how new "features" will be accepted and act accordingly. In this case, since it worked fine before, and doesn't now, one would have thought they could have guessed anyway, and left it alone. A fair point. But Microsoft doesn't monitor Usenet for the Windows 10 Preview program, AFAICT, so writing about it here won't be heard by those who make that decision. Peers here might start a grass-roots movement but I think per this thread that the comments in the Microsoft forums would be a better place to get their attention and their comments on the problem. The chorus would also be larger. I got the impression that the OP was less concerned with the mandatory updates being required in the RTM version than he was with it making him reinstall the entire OS. It sounded a bit whiny to me. I don't volunteer for test programs unless I am prepared to deal with the consequences of a catastrophe on my test platform. |
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On 02/27/2015 09:19 AM, Geoff wrote:
I got the impression that the OP was less concerned with the mandatory updates being required in the RTM version than he was with it making him reinstall the entire OS. Having to reinstall Alpha code is all part of the game. It sounded a bit whiny to me. Ha! I don't volunteer for test programs unless I am prepared to deal with the consequences of a catastrophe on my test platform. Son-of-Frankenstein (SOF) "Preview" (W10) is safely tucked away in a virtual machine. If things go wrong, I have plenty (four) images of the previous hard drives. But, it may be better for my purposed to try to fix what goes wrong -- good training. The reason I am testing SOF is so I will be familiar with it, so I can help my customers when they ultimately get the thing themselves. My remark was that the first update to SOF preview crashed my machine. Not a good sign. And, that M$ has a long, nasty history of bad updates, which is why I posted the link. http://www.infoworld.com/article/288...meltdowns.html So if M$ sticks to their guns and does mandatory updates, we all are in for a very rough ride! And, by the way, having to see what would happen if I had to do a reinstall or in place reinstall was something I had to get out of the way anyway, so it was good training. A silver lining so to speak. Well, after I was done shaking my head in disgust. My post had nothing to do with my annoyance over having to reinstall, it had to do with what we all have in store for up in the future! Can you imagine what this would do to a company that relied on Windows platforms to have all their computers go down without warning? It is bad enough W7 users and currently suffering from an update taking out Power Point and another update telling them they don't have Genuine Windows. I don't know, but I would think that if M$ persists in mandatory updates for SOF, that it just may be time to move to another platform. Due to the quality and performance issue involved, I personally avoid Windows platforms. But my customers don't, so I will continue to support them. -T And, by the way, I think that SOF is "Snappy" compared to its father (Frankie). M$ might actually pull a rabbit out of its hat, as it did with W7. Lets hope. Mandatory updates could kill all that. We may all be in for a very rough ride! Hopefully, next preview, M$ will have fixed a bunch of bugs. By the time they RTM, maybe they will be at the Beta code stage. (M$ also has a bad history of that too.) |
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On 02/27/2015 07:36 AM, Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:49:34 -0800, Geoff wrote: You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. A strong ditto! I need to learn to support my customers. And, I never had any false expectations of what happens when I run any Alpha stage code. I have Son-of- Frankenstein (W10) safely tucked away in a virtual machine. Can't hurt those around it. Why in the world would anyone think I was expecting to use an Alpha stage product for anything other than testing? Weird. Thought that went without saying. |
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On 27 Feb 2015, T wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-10: Why in the world would anyone think I was expecting to use an Alpha stage product for anything other than testing? Weird. Because, as usual, you never state your intentions or methods. You seem to think we are all mind readers. |
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On 02/27/2015 10:19 AM, Nil wrote:
On 27 Feb 2015, T wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: Why in the world would anyone think I was expecting to use an Alpha stage product for anything other than testing? Weird. Because, as usual, you never state your intentions or methods. You seem to think we are all mind readers. I know what I am thinking, why not you? :-) |
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On 27/02/2015 5:19 pm, Geoff wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:01:56 +0000, Bob Henson wrote: On 27/02/2015 4:49 am, Geoff wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:48:11 -0800, T wrote: Hi All, On the "oh no" front, Son-of Frankenstein (W10 preview) is now requiring mandatory updates. And, I can't help but notice that the first update I did required me to reinstall the entire OS. [snip] I wish M$ would reverse themselves on this. You're running pre-release code. What do you expect? If you think you can run it as you would Windows 7, think again. If you don't like what it's doing to your system don't run it. One of the problems, though, is that we aren't being told what is experimental for the sake of it, and what is permanent and will form part of Windows 10. Now, therefore, is the time to start commenting about silly features like the current update set-up - not when it has become a permanent feature and it is too late to say anything. That, I thought, was the whole idea of releasing the preview - so Microsoft can judge how new "features" will be accepted and act accordingly. In this case, since it worked fine before, and doesn't now, one would have thought they could have guessed anyway, and left it alone. A fair point. But Microsoft doesn't monitor Usenet for the Windows 10 Preview program, AFAICT, so writing about it here won't be heard by those who make that decision. Peers here might start a grass-roots movement but I think per this thread that the comments in the Microsoft forums would be a better place to get their attention and their comments on the problem. The chorus would also be larger. Yes, it is pointless in here - but I reported it using the official feedback app too. I only mentioned it here because it came up in the conversation. Although they don't reply to them, all the app replies are read by someone at Microsoft, and apparently they've had a hell of a lot of them on many and various topics. -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England He is not drunk who, from the floor, Can raise his glass and ask for more. |
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On 02/27/2015 10:19 AM, Nil wrote:
On 27 Feb 2015, T wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-10: Why in the world would anyone think I was expecting to use an Alpha stage product for anything other than testing? Weird. Because, as usual, you never state your intentions or methods. You seem to think we are all mind readers. Hi Nil, What is your take on the mandatory updates? You think M$ will insist or relent? If the insist, we all get to make a lot more money. Sheesh! -T |
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