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Old December 28th 17, 07:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?

I have looked at the task monitor during those times and apart from the time when it was downloading
a W10 update, there hasn't been excessive internet traffic which would might indicate a malware
infection.

I use the balanced power plan, with the recommended settings. I now use Kaspersky Internet
Security, but the behaviour occurred when I used AVG.

Any ideas please?
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Old December 28th 17, 07:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 12/27/2017 10:34 PM, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?

I have looked at the task monitor during those times and apart from the time when it was downloading
a W10 update, there hasn't been excessive internet traffic which would might indicate a malware
infection.

I use the balanced power plan, with the recommended settings. I now use Kaspersky Internet
Security, but the behaviour occurred when I used AVG.

Any ideas please?


Hi Optimist,

You have "fast boot" enabled. Your computer is not actually "off", it
is in suspend.

I turn :fat boot" off on all my customer's machines and my own. That
way they get a boot boot when the power off and reboot.

Warning: Fast Boot will stay enabled until you do a real shutdown

winR shutdown /r /f /t 00

How to turn off Fast Boot:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

HTH,
-T




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Old December 28th 17, 07:41 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 12/27/2017 10:40 PM, T wrote:
I turn :fat boot"


"fast boot"

stinking typos

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Old December 28th 17, 08:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:40:12 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/27/2017 10:34 PM, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?

I have looked at the task monitor during those times and apart from the time when it was downloading
a W10 update, there hasn't been excessive internet traffic which would might indicate a malware
infection.

I use the balanced power plan, with the recommended settings. I now use Kaspersky Internet
Security, but the behaviour occurred when I used AVG.

Any ideas please?


Hi Optimist,

You have "fast boot" enabled. Your computer is not actually "off", it
is in suspend.

I turn :fat boot" off on all my customer's machines and my own. That
way they get a boot boot when the power off and reboot.

Warning: Fast Boot will stay enabled until you do a real shutdown

winR shutdown /r /f /t 00

How to turn off Fast Boot:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

HTH,
-T




Thank you, T!
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Old December 28th 17, 09:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 12/27/2017 11:09 PM, Optimist wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:40:12 -0800, T wrote:

On 12/27/2017 10:34 PM, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?

I have looked at the task monitor during those times and apart from the time when it was downloading
a W10 update, there hasn't been excessive internet traffic which would might indicate a malware
infection.

I use the balanced power plan, with the recommended settings. I now use Kaspersky Internet
Security, but the behaviour occurred when I used AVG.

Any ideas please?


Hi Optimist,

You have "fast boot" enabled. Your computer is not actually "off", it
is in suspend.

I turn :fat boot" off on all my customer's machines and my own. That
way they get a boot boot when the power off and reboot.

Warning: Fast Boot will stay enabled until you do a real shutdown

winR shutdown /r /f /t 00

How to turn off Fast Boot:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...dows-10-a.html

HTH,
-T




Thank you, T!


You are most welcome.

The bad news is that Windows is not a stable operating system. The
good news is that you can cope by shutting down or reboot once a day
and you will probably never discover what I am talking about.
You can't do that with Fast Boot enabled.

And, with Fast Boot enabled, M$ will wake your computer up when it
wants to to do whatever it what to it.

Plus computers are like car tires, the longer you use them, the quicker
they wear out.



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Old December 28th 17, 05:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 00:01:17 -0800, T wrote:


The bad news is that Windows is not a stable operating system.



I completely disagree.




The
good news is that you can cope by shutting down or reboot once a day



I *never* do that--not unless an update requires it, or I am going
away on vacation. And Windows remains completely stable.




Plus computers are like car tires, the longer you use them, the quicker
they wear out.




I completely disagree with that too.
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Old December 28th 17, 05:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 12/28/2017 10:04 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 00:01:17 -0800, T wrote:

The bad news is that Windows is not a stable operating system.



I completely disagree.



The
good news is that you can cope by shutting down or reboot once a day



I *never* do that--not unless an update requires it, or I am going
away on vacation. And Windows remains completely stable.



Plus computers are like car tires, the longer you use them, the quicker
they wear out.




I completely disagree with that too.



+1

Rene

  #8  
Old December 28th 17, 07:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:


The bad news is that Windows is not a stable operating system.


Have you seen a kernel panic ?

That's a measure of stability.

If you stripped the DE off the thing, I'm sure the
core of the OS would be quite stable.

The layers on top, not so much.

Is Windows 10 a "usable OS" ? Opinions vary *a lot* on that.

I can't run a benchmark in peace, on a Win10 machine.
In my second benchmark run, some maintenance activity
will randomly start, ruining my collected results.
I can even wait two hours for the OS to "quiet down".
Then, as soon as I run my benchmark, Lisa Simpson
will start one of her maintenance processes running,
to show who is the boss. Is the OS usable for benchmarking ?
Nope, not at all!

*******

It's the same with Linux. For the most part, the
core is stable. A notable exception, is when new
subsystems come online. When webcam drivers were
placed in the kernel (instead of user space) for
the first time, I managed to trigger a kernel panic,
by using my webcam the second time. The first time,
the webcam worked. I tried to open the webcam a
second time and triggered a kernel panic.

That was fixed in subsequent kernel releases. Back
to stable again.

But the kernel doesn't receive massive insults like
that every day, so for the most part, the kernel
is reliable.

Usability of individual DEs is all over the place.

Just like the DE on Windows.

Paul
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Old December 28th 17, 07:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/27/2017 10:34 PM, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?

I have looked at the task monitor during those times and apart from the time when it was downloading
a W10 update, there hasn't been excessive internet traffic which would might indicate a malware
infection.

I use the balanced power plan, with the recommended settings. I now use Kaspersky Internet
Security, but the behaviour occurred when I used AVG.

Any ideas please?

There are a bunch of power plan settings having to do with what devices
can prevent sleep or awaken the system.
This system refused to stay asleep. Traced it to the network controller.
I fiddled with it 'till I was blue in the tooth. Finally disabled the
interface in device manager and installed a PCI LAN card. Been sleeping
fine ever since.

If you review the system logs, they will often have an entry for each
time the system wakes or sleeps. Sometimes, that's easy to follow.
Other times you get something cryptic that doesn't help.
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Old December 28th 17, 08:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:43:26 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/27/2017 10:34 PM, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?

I have looked at the task monitor during those times and apart from the time when it was downloading
a W10 update, there hasn't been excessive internet traffic which would might indicate a malware
infection.

I use the balanced power plan, with the recommended settings. I now use Kaspersky Internet
Security, but the behaviour occurred when I used AVG.

Any ideas please?

There are a bunch of power plan settings having to do with what devices
can prevent sleep or awaken the system.
This system refused to stay asleep. Traced it to the network controller.
I fiddled with it 'till I was blue in the tooth. Finally disabled the
interface in device manager and installed a PCI LAN card. Been sleeping
fine ever since.

If you review the system logs, they will often have an entry for each
time the system wakes or sleeps. Sometimes, that's easy to follow.
Other times you get something cryptic that doesn't help.


Thank you, Mike!
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Old December 28th 17, 08:22 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 12/27/2017 11:10 PM, Optimist wrote:
On Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:43:26 -0800, mike wrote:

On 12/27/2017 10:34 PM, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?

I have looked at the task monitor during those times and apart from the time when it was downloading
a W10 update, there hasn't been excessive internet traffic which would might indicate a malware
infection.

I use the balanced power plan, with the recommended settings. I now use Kaspersky Internet
Security, but the behaviour occurred when I used AVG.

Any ideas please?

There are a bunch of power plan settings having to do with what devices
can prevent sleep or awaken the system.
This system refused to stay asleep. Traced it to the network controller.
I fiddled with it 'till I was blue in the tooth. Finally disabled the
interface in device manager and installed a PCI LAN card. Been sleeping
fine ever since.


I misspoke. I disabled the lan interface in the BIOS.

If you review the system logs, they will often have an entry for each
time the system wakes or sleeps. Sometimes, that's easy to follow.
Other times you get something cryptic that doesn't help.


Thank you, Mike!


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Old December 28th 17, 03:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 28/12/2017 14:34, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?
...


Did you turn off Defrag? And don't forget about Window$ Defender might
do some background scanning when the PC is idle....

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Old December 28th 17, 05:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:47:31 +0800, "Mr.
Man-wai Chang" wrote:

On 28/12/2017 14:34, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?
...


Did you turn off Defrag? And don't forget about Window$ Defender might
do some background scanning when the PC is idle....


Sometimes I wake up in the morning and the screen is still lit. Most
times, it's not.

Sometimes I leave Radiomaximus downloading and playing music, but I turn
off the sound. Other times, I stop the station itself.

I haven't tried yet to see if the two situations match up.
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Old December 28th 17, 05:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:47:31 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

On 28/12/2017 14:34, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?
...


Did you turn off Defrag? And don't forget about Window$ Defender might
do some background scanning when the PC is idle....


I haven't done anything to Defrag. Windows Defender not active as Kaspersky is running.
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Old December 28th 17, 08:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 28 Dec 2017 16:23:51 +0000, Optimist
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:47:31 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

On 28/12/2017 14:34, Optimist wrote:
Why is it that very often the PC keeps awake? The monitor switches off OK, but whereas sometimes
the PC's light blinks indicating sleep, very often it just keeps going, sometimes for more than 24
hours.

I know W10 has to do housekeeping tasks like creating backups of the operating system but surely
these tasks can't take all that time?
...


Did you turn off Defrag? And don't forget about Window$ Defender might
do some background scanning when the PC is idle....


I haven't done anything to Defrag. Windows Defender not active as Kaspersky is running.


Dah, I'm reading ze data from your computer now, to try to see why your
computer, it is very often awake, Comrade, but is no answer yet.

Comrade Micky

 




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