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  #391  
Old September 30th 16, 06:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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Before I started using Macrium I used
Nero. I still have the installation disk
and I wonder if we should try it? Although
it's been awhile since I've used it.

What do you think?

Robert
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  #392  
Old September 30th 16, 08:54 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
I ran Agent Ransack and it found nothing:

http://i67.tinypic.com/2r2ofaq.jpg


For the original search, I was hoping you'd just
try the word "master" without any punctuation.
Because some characters might have special
meaning, depending on the tick boxes in Options.

On an initial search, I don't mind getting too many
results. I could refine the search if there were
too many to scroll through.


I also notice other missing folders. They're
not there. So how can this same Mrimg restore
the folders but not show them?


A permissions problem perhaps, but I don't think
I've seen anything like that here. It's a puzzle
for sure. And I don't know any clever ways to
search in some deeper way, that has a guarantee
of showing it. I don't really have any Windows
utility I trust for this sort of thing.

You could convert the MRIMG file into a VHD and
take it inside a VirtualBox virtual machine and look
at it. But again, I don't see a reason for freaky
things to happen. It would probably be consistent
and hide it there too. I don't really have any
recipe I can trust.

While you could run the third party program
"Everything.exe" against the mounted MRIMG to
make a file list, even that won't show stuff
which is "Access Denied". Everything seems to
have limits.

If I had to do forensics on file names, I'd
have to do it from Linux. If *any* Windows utility
had impressed me by listing the "Access Denied"
stuff, I could recommend a Windows solution.
But I've been disappointed many times, with
files that cannot be seen or touched. So it's
not like your experience is out of the ordinary.
I just don't have a good excuse for why it's
happening. It sounds like a permissions problem.

Oh, I remember. There's a setting you should check.

When you right-click the MRIMG and go to "Explore" it,
there's a tick box at the bottom of the window, something
about "allow access to restricted objects", something
like that. Maybe you need to use one or more of the
tick boxes at the bottom of the dialog, then go check
in File Explorer and see if that helped.

So unmount the partition you see now, then right-click
the MRIMG and re-mount it, only adjust your tick boxes
for "best visibility" on the files.


The 2TB HD was totally dysfunctional and
would not boot until I restored it with the
same Mrimg and I've already showed you two
of the folders recovered but it's not showing
them on the WD 2TB HD?

So the My Documents on the 8500 is an older
version and the 2TB WD is not showing the current
My Documents with the (master) files for some
weird reason.

Another strange thing,.. I have my original
install disks for Microsoft Word/Excel from
the 8200, and I was able to install them in
the 8500 previously. I installed Excel but now
when I load the disk it doesn't auto detect as
usual but prompts me

http://i68.tinypic.com/s4pgy9.jpg


That's what mine does here by default. Shows that dialog.
But I think there might be a GPEdit (Policy Editor)
for AutoPlay/AutoRun. And I see you've found a panel
for it, in the next picture. This isn't something
I dwell on. I just dismiss the thing every time it
pops up. I don't really want any action taken by
default. I don't trust computers enough for that :-)


here are the default settings

http://i64.tinypic.com/2n0lje9.jpg


I presume "Software and Games" is the one ?

In fact, I applied a change just yesterday, that shuts
off autorun.inf permanently :-) There's a registry
edit you can do, to stop the file "autorun.inf" from
running.


and here's what's on the first disk

http://i66.tinypic.com/8wxndi.jpg


There's a setup.exe.


and the second disk

http://i65.tinypic.com/166g6q9.jpg


And there is a setup.exe on there as well.

You can change the preference in Windows, to show
file extensions. The idiotic default is to not
show the extension. I find it safer to have the
extension showing, so I know "setup" is actually
"setup.exe".

And the versions of Windows, put the menu in different
places. Maybe on that File Explorer, it's over on the
upper right ? It should say something about
Tools : View, and have tick boxes.

Paul
  #393  
Old September 30th 16, 09:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
Before I started using Macrium I used
Nero. I still have the installation disk
and I wonder if we should try it? Although
it's been awhile since I've used it.

What do you think?

Robert


I have no experience with Nero BackItUp.
I might have an older copy here somewhere.

What's most to blame, is NTFS and the permissions
model. Rather than the backup software as such.

*******

This problem exists on Unix too, and many individuals
will get into philosophical arguments about how
visible files should be when doing searches.
I think the file names should always be visible, but
I suppose mine is a "single-user machine" point of view.
The people who want the files hidden, consider these machines
to be "multi-user time shared" computers, so we
hide Johns files from Mary, and vice versa.

You can have two computers, the 8500 and the 780,
have accounts with username "Robert" and the same
password on both. When you do that, you can do
file sharing over the network. But in actual
fact, they're still *different* accounts. When the
OSes were installed, a random string of numbers
was assigned to the SID for those accounts, on the
two machines. So the accounts aren't actually the same.
And that's why, if you view a disk from one machine,
while booted with the OS on the other machine, when
you're in File Explorer, there is a "little green bar"
ceremony, to make the permissions work well enough
so you can see the files in the "foreign" folder.
If the account you were using at the time, did not
belong to the "administrators" group, it's possible
you might not even be able to open your user folder
on the other disk. Because it's a different account,
and the computer thinks you're John, and the account
owning the other disk is Mary - they're that different
as accounts.

Paul
  #394  
Old September 30th 16, 08:36 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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I did try the word (master) at first,. and ran
more than one scan but didn't think of screenshots.


It seems it's doing something similar to
what happens with my Dell Imagining. When
I change a capital 'S' to a small 's' It still
retains the large 'S' as a 'ghoest' image when
searching but it disappears when I open the file
and the small 'S' is there. Just like I thought
I had overwritten my (master) files but they were
there.

However, yesterday I connected the WD to the 780
to see if it could see the files. When I clicked
to open it had a long green colored bar that ran
across the top and it opened up the partition but
today this is what's there (780 My Documents)!

Now how can it do that just by opening? It didn't
give me any dialog boxes or warnings.

http://i68.tinypic.com/67p45i.jpg

At this point maybe it's better we move on. I was
able to copy/paste to DVD the most important
documentation and the 8500 has enough already,. plus
my bookmarks so that I can live with it and we restored
the spared 2TB HD was was nonfunctional with the
damaged Mrimg.

However that Mrimg is now suspect

I think we should proceed with getting the 8500 setup
so that it's fully operational. e.g. update Explorer
11 even though I don't use it. Set the plugin's or use
the default? etc,.....

I would also like to create a New Mrimg

I tried installing Word again and this time it worked!@!
That was bothering me because ALL my work is on Word
documents.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

  #395  
Old September 30th 16, 08:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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One thing I find amazing is that with all
our efforts we couldn't retrieve the MBR.
Whatever program that did this was pretty
devastating to wipe out my MBR.

However, I have my fast connection back and
I assume it will get quicker with the cookies
etc.

Robert
  #396  
Old September 30th 16, 10:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
One thing I find amazing is that with all
our efforts we couldn't retrieve the MBR.
Whatever program that did this was pretty
devastating to wipe out my MBR.

However, I have my fast connection back and
I assume it will get quicker with the cookies
etc.

Robert


If you have your File Explorer window open,
click the Organize menu in the upper left.

Select Folder and Search options.

Click View tab.

The "Hide extensions for known file types"
should be unticked.

Click Apply in the lower right corner of the dialog.

Then, under Folder Views at the top, click
"Apply to Folders", then "Yes", and the viewable
extensions should be seen in all open File Explorer
windows.

I suggest that change, because I still don't see
file extensions in your File Explorer pictures.

The picture in your other post, is a picture of
two different folders, so they will have
different content. I thought maybe, the purpose
of the picture was to show me two views of the
same folder that did not agree with one another.

Paul
  #397  
Old October 1st 16, 12:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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The purpose of the two pictures with content
was to show you what I had on both disks
when I was trying to install Microsoft Word
and I was hoping you could tell which to click
to install it.

Somehow I managed to do so.


I will give it another try but I saw nothing to
click this last time.

Also, I ran a Avast scan and it came up with (4)
malware entries. So I deleted them and after doing
so it recommended a boot scan at the first restart.

Am now in the process of doing that with 80% complete
unfortunately, the WD was connected up at the time and
I couldn't safely remove it so it's scanning that as
well.

Robert




  #398  
Old October 1st 16, 01:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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I followed your instructions and
un-ticked the box and tried the Mrimg
again but with the same result.

The 8500 finished the boot scan and
came back apparently clean. I'm running
follow-up scans to make sure.

Robert


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Old October 1st 16, 04:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Mark Twain wrote:
I followed your instructions and
un-ticked the box and tried the Mrimg
again but with the same result.

The 8500 finished the boot scan and
came back apparently clean. I'm running
follow-up scans to make sure.

Robert


Well, I'm at a loss to explain how an MRIMG
mounted via the Macrium mount option, would
be missing just a few items, compared to the
original disk drive. And if no file listing utility
will show them on the MRIMG mount, I don't have
a solution to check forensically for them.
MRIMG and VHD files aren't particularly friendly
when viewed in a hex editor.

While you can convert from MRIMG to VHD, I
don't expect you to race off into some
virtual machine environment and work on it.
So that's kinda a dead end as well.

If you were to convert the MRIMG file (using
the Macrium function) to VHD, then a program
like 7-ZIP can read a VHD (and show you the
files inside it). But the process of doing so
can be quite slow - when 7-ZIP parses such things,
it makes a "temporary" file which is as big as
the thing it's been asked to parse. And again,
that's a headache in terms of wasted time waiting
for it to finish. Someone put in a feature request
to have that fixed, but I don't think it's fixed yet.

Macrium also has a "Verify" function. All that it
does, is verify the checksum of the whole MRIMG.
It may not actually be verifying everything is
perfectly functional. Under the Restore menu, you can
browse for an MRIMG and then click the Verify.
But that's mainly if you think the disk is
damaged and you want to know if your MRIMG is
still readable.

Paul
  #400  
Old October 1st 16, 06:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mark Twain
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As I said, its time we moved on,.

I was about to create a new Mrimg
when this came up.

http://i65.tinypic.com/1zgyx79.jpg

I had mentioned this earlier before
I did the Dell Data Safe and asked
how you wish me to proceed since were
using Macrium.

Robert

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Old October 1st 16, 08:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
As I said, its time we moved on,.

I was about to create a new Mrimg
when this came up.

http://i65.tinypic.com/1zgyx79.jpg

I had mentioned this earlier before
I did the Dell Data Safe and asked
how you wish me to proceed since were
using Macrium.

Robert


That's a request to set up Windows Backup.
That's a backup program provided by Microsoft.

It insists on backing up C: , no matter what
you do. At least for the System Image option.

There is a tick box there for "Turn off messages..."
so you won't see messages from it any more. And then
it won't make a mess of your Action Center.

*******

When you ask how to proceed, are you happy
with Macrium ? Or have you given up on it ?
It sounds like "you get your files back, only
if you do a restore to something". Which means
a lot more usage of your spare disk I suppose.

Just about all commercial backup programs are
complicated, so changing to another one won't
change that aspect of it. Windows Backup does
work, as I used to use it before Macrium came
along. But it's a pretty bare bones experience.
After it's finished doing a backup, I generally
move the backup folder some place else. And then
there will be room for the next backup.

Paul
  #402  
Old October 1st 16, 11:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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So, it's as I thought, choose one or
the other. I'll stay with Macrium.

I turned off messages before so that
is why I asked the question.

While waiting for your reply I checked
for Updates and it's still running!

http://i66.tinypic.com/23kdzkg.jpg

Should it take this long even though
it says it's never run?

Robert


  #403  
Old October 2nd 16, 03:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Updates has been running 12+ hours,....
and Windows Task Manager shoes it's
running


Robert
  #404  
Old October 2nd 16, 05:49 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mark Twain wrote:
Updates has been running 12+ hours,....
and Windows Task Manager shoes it's
running


Robert


Click cancel.

Reboot. (Or stop wuauserv and start it again
with the appropriate command. I prefer reboot
myself.)

Using Internet Explorer, visit this page. Accept the plugin
when it is offered (it'll install). Then, pick out the
Win7 x64 entry for download.

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3020369

The next one to get, is the July 2016 Cumulative. The
description of this has now been modified, to no longer
show it fixes Windows Update, which is weird. But we can't
let Microsoft shenanigans bother us.

http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/...aspx?q=3172605

*******

The history of the last item, is traceable as:

"Windows Update Client for Windows 7"

https://support.microsoft.com/kb/3161647

"An optimization that addresses long scan time
for updates that's reported on some computers."

But that update is not in the Catalog by itself. That
would be too easy. That article points you to this one.
And this article tells you that '647 is included.

"June 2016 update rollup for Windows 7 SP1"

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3161608

Then the notice at the top of the page, tells you
to use this one. And this one is available for download
on the catalog server. So we're using this, because
it's actually available.

"July 2016 update rollup for Windows 7 SP1"

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3172605

*******

After you've selected the two files for download, you
use the Internet Explorer "View Basket" button to do
the download. It will ask you for a file path to
store the downloads. Each download gets its own folder.

*******

If you attempt to install '605 and it says "Not applicable",
that means some servicing stack is missing. That's
why you install 3020369 first.

1) Install 3020369 first (servicing stack).
2) Install 3172605.
3) Reboot.
4) Visit Windows Update.

The list of downloads should appear in less than
five minutes.

I've had other reasons for "Not applicable" when
attempting to install an update from the Catalog server.
And that's because the update is actually, no longer
applicable. But in the case of the above process,
the "Not applicable" means a prerequisite has not
been met.

I did a clean install of Win7 Pro SP1 x64 in a VM,
added the above two patches manually, and Windows
Update painted the list of updates in 4 minutes 51 seconds.
So the method still seems to work.

HTH,
Paul
  #405  
Old October 2nd 16, 07:26 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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It seems I was a little premature
because when I attempted to shutdown
it came back with this:

Please do not power off or unplug your
machine. Installing 1 of 212 ,...

now on 46 of 212 and I'm sure there more
updates ,...

so maybe no need to download 3020369
and 3172605 files?

Robert
 




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