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"Mayayana" wrote in message news $60. But it's not clear whether it's really full retail version (which can be installed on multiple computers as long as it's only one at a time) or "full oem", which is keyed to a single machine. ****It says "full version & upgrade"**** A retail(i.e. not OEM) version of Win7 would include both 32 and 64 bit DVDs. - one product key for use on either bitness(x86 or x64) - different product keys are issued for full or upgrade media though the media is identical - full version product key can perform a clean or upgrade install - upgrade version product can perform an upgrade install and indirectly a clean install. For the latter quite a few articles can be found on how to use the media to perform a Win7 clean install using the upgrade product key yet the majority of those are not focused on new or previously formatted pcs(i.e. upgrade media with its product key needs to initially see the prior qualifying o/s). All OEM System Builder media is full version media with it included(or provided) product key. Good luck on your build. -- ....winston msft mvp windows experience |
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Mayayana wrote:
"Mayayana" wrote An update about Tigerdirect, for anyone who might be interested: I just placed an order yesterday. It turns out they were bought by "PC Mall", pcm.com. It's no longer the same company at all. They seem to be just a middleman operation now, with support and sales staff based in someplace like India. Previously, a TD order came from the TD warehouse, in a single box. This order is being shipped with each piece coming from a different, unnamed source. I've got something like 8 packages coming for 10 items. They mixed up the email address. The shipping invoice was confusing. They did, at least, get the order right. It looks like the whole thing will eventually work out and that the mixups are mainly just a result of them not being very organized, but I don't think I'll deal with them again. Any Fry's near you? They stock actual electronic components. http://www.frys.com/ac/storeinfo/storelocator I like them a little better than Microcenter. |
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"Paul in Houston TX"
| | Any Fry's near you? They stock actual electronic components. | http://www.frys.com/ac/storeinfo/storelocator | I like them a little better than Microcenter. | I thought about that because I had the sense that people like Fry's. But I'm in Boston. I think the nearest is florida or Indiana. Though it might be a feasible place to have stock shipped from. The one sample check I did, for the cost of a motherboard, turned up the cheapest price I've found for that particular board. |
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"...winston" wrote
| A retail(i.e. not OEM) version of Win7 would include both 32 and 64 bit DVDs. | - one product key for use on either bitness(x86 or x64) | - different product keys are issued for full or upgrade media though the media is identical | - full version product key can perform a clean or upgrade install | - upgrade version product can perform an upgrade install and indirectly a clean install. For the latter quite a few articles can be | found on how to use the media to perform a Win7 clean install using the upgrade product key yet the majority of those are not | focused on new or previously formatted pcs(i.e. upgrade media with its product key needs to initially see the prior qualifying | o/s). | | All OEM System Builder media is full version media with it included(or provided) product key. | | Good luck on your build. | Thanks, Winston. It used to be that "full" referred to full, rather than OEM. But now one often sees "full OEM". When they say "full retail" I figure that might mean an actual full version license, but it's hard to know. There doesn't seem to be an official name for the version that can be transferred to different machines and resold. That's a big difference in my mind. And there's typically about $100 difference in cost. If it's OEM (or "system builder") then it dies with the motherboard, while a full version can be used for as long as hardware supports the Windows version. I ended up getting an OEM version for $115. Not a terrible price. The eBay options are tempting but there are just too many question marks for my taste. |
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"Mayayana" on Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:24:46
-0500 typed in alt.windows7.general the following: "...winston" wrote | A retail(i.e. not OEM) version of Win7 would include both 32 and 64 bit DVDs. | - one product key for use on either bitness(x86 or x64) | - different product keys are issued for full or upgrade media though the media is identical | - full version product key can perform a clean or upgrade install | - upgrade version product can perform an upgrade install and indirectly a clean install. For the latter quite a few articles can be | found on how to use the media to perform a Win7 clean install using the upgrade product key yet the majority of those are not | focused on new or previously formatted pcs(i.e. upgrade media with its product key needs to initially see the prior qualifying | o/s). | | All OEM System Builder media is full version media with it included(or provided) product key. | | Good luck on your build. | Thanks, Winston. It used to be that "full" referred to full, rather than OEM. But now one often sees "full OEM". When they say "full retail" I figure that might mean an actual full version license, but it's hard to know. There doesn't seem to be an official name for the version that can be transferred to different machines and resold. That's a big difference in my mind. And there's typically about $100 difference in cost. If it's OEM (or "system builder") then it dies with the motherboard, while a full version can be used for as long as hardware supports the Windows version. And people wondered why I wanted my own discs. tschus pyotr -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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Mayayana wrote:
"...winston" wrote | A retail(i.e. not OEM) version of Win7 would include both 32 and 64 bit DVDs. | - one product key for use on either bitness(x86 or x64) | - different product keys are issued for full or upgrade media though the media is identical | - full version product key can perform a clean or upgrade install | - upgrade version product can perform an upgrade install and indirectly a clean install. For the latter quite a few articles can be | found on how to use the media to perform a Win7 clean install using the upgrade product key yet the majority of those are not | focused on new or previously formatted pcs(i.e. upgrade media with its product key needs to initially see the prior qualifying | o/s). | | All OEM System Builder media is full version media with it included(or provided) product key. | | Good luck on your build. | Thanks, Winston. It used to be that "full" referred to full, rather than OEM. But now one often sees "full OEM". When they say "full retail" I figure that might mean an actual full version license, but it's hard to know. There doesn't seem to be an official name for the version that can be transferred to different machines and resold. That's a big difference in my mind. And there's typically about $100 difference in cost. If it's OEM (or "system builder") then it dies with the motherboard, while a full version can be used for as long as hardware supports the Windows version. I ended up getting an OEM version for $115. Not a terrible price. The eBay options are tempting but there are just too many question marks for my taste. Once activated you should be fine with the OEM version for a new device. All OEM Win7 is full version media and unique in that it only performs a clean install to new bare metal. As you've noted there are risks out there in the seller market depending upon the source. IIrc, it(OEM System Builder media) still provides some of the same flexibility after Win7 is installed and activated if problems are encountered down the road on the same device permitting the end-user to repair or clean install since it uses the same installer as full version and as a result permits use as a repair disk/install if needed and if doing the latter, you may or may not be prompted for the product key(i.e. keep that number in a safe place!). One unique difference between Retail vs. OEM is the PID-Product ID(not Product Key). A unique and different PID is created each and every time an install is performed. The PID is used by MSFT to determine the support level. Since the PID for an OEM is OEM unique, it means that the System Builder is responsible for support not MSFT..but from what I've seen from your experience in the past, your need of MSFT support personnel is slim or next to none. There are few other technicalities/legal language on using System Builder media for personal use but you really need not have concern on that front. No check or monitoring is done by Microsoft.[1] [1] OT info - Windows 8.0 was the only System Builder media that permitted 'Personal Use'. System Builder's by definition(for 7, 8.1, 10 but not 8.0) are required to provide the media and the device - i.e. the entire package sold to another end-user. Microsoft doesn't monitor if its a system sold or personally built system and its in their best interest for folks to use MSFT software thus permits sale of OEM System Builder media by approved resellers(Tiger, Amazon, NewEgg etc.) but as you've noted there can be unknowns when the media was previously owned(or still in use) and made available in the aftermarket. Good luck and let us know how it goes. -- ....winston msft mvp |
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