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Macrim versus True Image?
I notice some people on here talk about using Macrim for their back ups.
How does that program compare with True Image? I have been using TI 2013 in CD form for several years now without incident, and I'm just curious as to the differences between the programs. Thanks. |
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Macrim versus True Image?
In message , Aj St. Johns
writes: I notice some people on here talk about using Macrim for their back ups. How does that program compare with True Image? I have been using TI 2013 in CD form for several years now without incident, and I'm just curious as to the differences between the programs. Thanks. The two main are Macrium and Acronis, but there are also others - EaseUS do one, I think, for example. (I'm not sure which "True Image" is - Acronis, I think.) Sorry, can't answer your question. I _think_ they're much of a muchness, but have only used Macrium (5, free). Even the WinPE version of that fits on a mini-CD, which I like as it's easy to carry around (and less likely to get broken than a full-size CD); maybe the others can be too. I've found it's fine, for the XP (SP3) and 10 I've used it on. (The 10 system took far longer to image [preparatory to switching to SSD] than I expected, but I suspect that was more a matter of the hardware in use (external HD via USB2) than anything to do with the software, and would have been similar for all of them.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Can a blue man sing the whites? |
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Aj St. Johns wrote:
I notice some people on here talk about using Macrim for their back ups. How does that program compare with True Image? I have been using TI 2013 in CD form for several years now without incident, and I'm just curious as to the differences between the programs. Thanks. It's free. As a promotional vehicle, there is a free version for download. And it's not a trial version. It's really free. http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.asp Notice the feature set tick boxes. The full-featured product costs money. But the free version is worthwhile for encouraging people to make backups. I checked out the Acronis TIH and it had a relatively nice GUI, which is simple for people to understand. The Macrium comes in second-place in that regard. As some people have trouble figuring out what the display is showing them. You could say "it takes practice" before you become fluent. Macrium offers plenty of info. There is a manual. There is a knowledgebase with articles. So there isn't a vacuum if you have the toolset to track down the necessary info. It's free... and it is better than the Win7 System Image backup. In that you have access to the data later, by "mounting" the MRIMG image file as a disk drive. Macrium will also convert the MRIMG into a .vhd, for usage with virtual machines. And a VHD can be accessed with 7ZIP, if you need a familiar tool for extracting files from a VHD. So I like the "post-backup workflow" as well. The Macrium boot CD has a "boot repair" option, and it did actually help with a problem I was working on. I still needed a bit of command line monkey business to finish the job, but the boot repair got me 90% of the way there. Recommended. Paul |
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On 12/17/2016 10:35 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Aj St. Johns writes: I notice some people on here talk about using Macrim for their back ups. How does that program compare with True Image? I have been using TI 2013 in CD form for several years now without incident, and I'm just curious as to the differences between the programs. Thanks. The two main are Macrium and Acronis, but there are also others - EaseUS do one, I think, for example. (I'm not sure which "True Image" is - Acronis, I think.) Sorry, can't answer your question. I _think_ they're much of a muchness, but have only used Macrium (5, free). Even the WinPE version of that fits on a mini-CD, which I like as it's easy to carry around (and less likely to get broken than a full-size CD); maybe the others can be too. I've found it's fine, for the XP (SP3) and 10 I've used it on. (The 10 system took far longer to image [preparatory to switching to SSD] than I expected, but I suspect that was more a matter of the hardware in use (external HD via USB2) than anything to do with the software, and would have been similar for all of them.) Both Acronis and Macrium will fit on small thumb drives, more portable than mini-CDs. I've got Macrium on an old 500M thumb drive, small footprint. |
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Paul wrote:
Aj St. Johns wrote: I notice some people on here talk about using Macrim for their back ups. How does that program compare with True Image? I have been using TI 2013 in CD form for several years now without incident, and I'm just curious as to the differences between the programs. Thanks. It's free. As a promotional vehicle, there is a free version for download. And it's not a trial version. It's really free. http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.asp Notice the feature set tick boxes. The full-featured product costs money. But the free version is worthwhile for encouraging people to make backups. I checked out the Acronis TIH and it had a relatively nice GUI, which is simple for people to understand. The Macrium comes in second-place in that regard. As some people have trouble figuring out what the display is showing them. You could say "it takes practice" before you become fluent. Macrium offers plenty of info. There is a manual. There is a knowledgebase with articles. So there isn't a vacuum if you have the toolset to track down the necessary info. It's free... and it is better than the Win7 System Image backup. In that you have access to the data later, by "mounting" the MRIMG image file as a disk drive. Macrium will also convert the MRIMG into a .vhd, for usage with virtual machines. And a VHD can be accessed with 7ZIP, if you need a familiar tool for extracting files from a VHD. So I like the "post-backup workflow" as well. The Macrium boot CD has a "boot repair" option, and it did actually help with a problem I was working on. I still needed a bit of command line monkey business to finish the job, but the boot repair got me 90% of the way there. Recommended. Paul https://davescomputertips.com/how-to...mage-as-a-vhd/ Not that I prefer that to a Macrium backup. The main reason being that Macrium can image a full drive, including the restore partition and any other partition on the drive. Ed |
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On 12/17/2016 10:21 AM, Aj St. Johns wrote:
I notice some people on here talk about using Macrim for their back ups. How does that program compare with True Image? I have been using TI 2013 in CD form for several years now without incident, and I'm just curious as to the differences between the programs. Thanks. IIRC the free version of Macrium as much as it's great for image backup and restore on same size drive, I don't think it resizes well, especially smaller drive. I'm sure you can put a 100G image on a 250G drive, Macrium might just make a 100G partition. That would be the worst case since you could easily expand it. Look at MinTool Partition Wizard. I only say this as I was putting a large 300G drive image (only 60G data) onto an SSD and I manually shrunk the partition using windows built in utils and then made the image so it would go on the new 128 SSD. I think the paid version will do resizing though. |
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Aj St. Johns wrote:
I notice some people on here talk about using Macrim for their back ups. How does that program compare with True Image? I have been using TI 2013 in CD form for several years now without incident, and I'm just curious as to the differences between the programs. Thanks. I run TI using an unattended overnight batch file so its run time does not affect my PC use during the day. Not sure if Macrim has batch run capabilities. -- Zaidy036 |
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Big Al wrote:
On 12/17/2016 10:21 AM, Aj St. Johns wrote: I notice some people on here talk about using Macrim for their back ups. How does that program compare with True Image? I have been using TI 2013 in CD form for several years now without incident, and I'm just curious as to the differences between the programs. Thanks. IIRC the free version of Macrium as much as it's great for image backup and restore on same size drive, I don't think it resizes well, especially smaller drive. I'm sure you can put a 100G image on a 250G drive, Macrium might just make a 100G partition. That would be the worst case since you could easily expand it. Look at MinTool Partition Wizard. I only say this as I was putting a large 300G drive image (only 60G data) onto an SSD and I manually shrunk the partition using windows built in utils and then made the image so it would go on the new 128 SSD. I think the paid version will do resizing though. Macrium *does* resize. http://kb.macrium.com/Uploads/Images/clone-3.png What it does not do (easily), is change the origin of a partition. To resize, when cloning or imaging, once you select the destination image (while the source image is still present), click the "Next" button, then the "Back" button. The lower (destination) disk layout will then show the partitions as they are about to be restored or cloned. Click on a partition. Look near the bottom, for a button that says something about customizing. In the resulting dialog, you can set the alignment to "MSDOS" or "Vista" (63 sector, or megabyte alignment). You can change the size of the partition, and make it smaller. Or larger. When you make it smaller, there is a tendency for the output partition to be "mostly defragmented", as if it was doing a file by file copy to the different-sized output. But due to $MFT reservation, I suspect some of the files near the end are fragmented, because of some aspect of metadata getting in the way. While I was hoping to get "defragmentation for free" by doing that, it didn't happen. Some of the files were still fragmented. So the only feature I couldn't get in a direct way, is changing the origin or order of partitions. Now, you can "fake it" by processing one partition at a time, but then the boot repair and UUID editing the program does, aren't going to happen. So you would have much cleanup later, to make it boot. And while the CD has boot repair capabilities, nothing is perfect. And you'd better have your Rocket Scientist hat on, to finish the job manually. ******* Paragon has a free partition manager download, but it barely offers more than the capabilities that Windows has built in. So it's mostly an "advertising platform". Easeus has a Paritition Manager too, but with some of these products, they have OpenCandy on them (Paragon does not). The funny part, is at least one of the OpenCandy-containing softwares I downloaded, the OpenCandy was "neutered" and didn't do anything. (As tested in a VM for safety.) So you can scrounge around and find *something* to finish a job like this. GParted is fine for repair work, except more and more "rules" are appearing as time goes on, so you will find menu entries dimmed out. That's not what I expect from my "smash and grab" utilities :-) Extra trickery is involved now, to eat and enjoy your free lunch. Paul |
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"Aj St. Johns" wrote:
I notice some people on here talk about using Macrim for their back ups. Have you tallied how many are discussing the FREEware version of Macrium? Acronis does not have any freeware. It's all payware (unless you happen to have a Seagate drive and get the old TI 2009 version for free). How does that program compare with True Image? The biggest change with Macrium Reflect Free is the lack of all the bloatware in the TI package. The bloatware in the TI package cannot be deleted, only disabled. I have been using TI 2013 in CD form for several years now without incident, and I'm just curious as to the differences between the programs. The biggest reason I left TI was failure to perform restores. It would say it could not find the backup media or it would fail during the backup. Not a problem with Macrium. Backups are a complete waste of time if they are not usable to perform restores. My average with TI was half of my restore attempts would fail due to problems finding the backups or failures during the restores. Too high for me. I've restored several times using Macrium Reflect without one failure. Oh, the "verify" option in TI is worthless. All that does is redo the backup and verify the same hash was generated as was saved in the backup file. Okay, so what happens when the restore operation cannot find the backups (which, in my case, were not on USB drives but internal hard disks)? What happens when it fails during a read of the backup image file? What happens when there is failure to write the backup image? All of those problems were intrinsic only to TI. I never had a restore problem with Macrium Reflect or even with Easeus ToDo. |
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:08:34 -0600, VanguardLH wrote in
snip The biggest reason I left TI was failure to perform restores. It would say it could not find the backup media or it would fail during the backup. Not a problem with Macrium. Backups are a complete waste of time if they are not usable to perform restores. My average with TI was half of my restore attempts would fail due to problems finding the backups or failures during the restores. Too high for me. I've restored several times using Macrium Reflect without one failure. snip Thanks very much for this post. A very thorough and interesting presentation. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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