What was your experience when you last tried to get Google to archive this ng?

On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 15:29:31 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

You need to decide if you're going to continue to shout at Google about
archiving a new group or whether you're actually going to do something
about it.

Char Jackson,

*All I'm asking you to do is NOT prove you can't add any on-topic value!*

On 25 Jun 2018 20:38:05 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

We will use humour as we see fit.

All you do, Frank Slootweg, with the childish fifth-grade so-called humor,
is prove you feel the need to chit chat in a thread where your idle
fifth-grade jokes only underscore that you have absolutely zero clue as to
the answer to the question.

Why do you consistently *prove* me right that your posts are worthless Frank?

*You really don't have to prove you know absolutely nothing about the topic.*

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 19:19:10 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:
[...]

I can't tell who is serious & who is joking sometimes, but I'm serious.

Take comfort knowing that Sheldon Cooper (Big Bang Theory) has the same
problem. You are not alone.

Wow! You couldn't be more spot on!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Cooper

On 25 Jun 2018 21:07:23 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Wow! You couldn't be more spot on!

What's interesting over the years is those that can't ever add value always
congratulate others who also can't ever add value.

Remember, Frank Slootweg ... you were one of the first to congratulate Snit
on his hilariously wrong video... where you never once looked at the Y
axis, for heaven's sake ... during the entire time of that idiotic video!
https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo

HINT: What kind of moron congratulates such a foolishly wrong endeavor
where the entire problem set involved graphing signal strngth for all
access points over time - and NOBODY - not you Frank Slootweg - certainly
not Snit, nor nospam nor Lewis nor Jolly Roger, etc., even LOOKS once at
the Y-axis of the moving graph?

Your post is proof positive we're swimming in a sea of utter morons!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/PZuec56EWB0/VGtq9RzpBgAJ

Arlen Holder wrote:
On 25 Jun 2018 20:38:05 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

We will use humour as we see fit.

[Pathetic, dishonest, silent snip(s) duly noted.]

All you do, Frank Slootweg, with the childish fifth-grade so-called humor,
is prove you feel the need to chit chat in a thread where your idle
fifth-grade jokes only underscore that you have absolutely zero clue as to
the answer to the question.

Why do you consistently *prove* me right that your posts are worthless Frank?

*You really don't have to prove you know absolutely nothing about the topic.*

See!? You don't like the message, so you dodge, divert, falsify the
message/context and shoot the messenger.

Theoretically, you *could* try to learn and use the content and intent
of the message to your advantage. But then learning isn't your forte,
isn't? Only self-destruction.

And if my posts are 'worthless', then why do you repeatedly thank me
for some of them? Why do you read my 'worthless' posts? Why do you
respond to my 'worthless' posts? Don't you have the self-control it
takes? Is that also 'caused' by your condition?

As to "you have absolutely zero clue as to the answer to the question"
and "you know absolutely nothing about the topic":

I know enough about the topic to know that the answer has been given.

That *you* don't *like* the answer, is nobody's problem but yours.

Bottom line: Can't do the time? ... Can't stand the heat? ...

On 25 Jun 2018 21:27:26 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

And if my posts are 'worthless', then why do you repeatedly thank me
for some of them? Why do you read my 'worthless' posts? Why do you
respond to my 'worthless' posts? Don't you have the self-control it
takes? Is that also 'caused' by your condition?

Frank Slootweg,
While you can't comprehend what I'm going to say, it's what I've said
before.

When, on the rare occasion, you add value, and act like an adult, I thank
you for both adding value and for acting like an adult.

Most of the time you do NOT add value, nor do you act like an adult.

When you act like a child, I tell you you're acting like a child.

Why you can't comprehend that simple equation, is what is amazing to me.

Arlen Holder aka The Lying Liar lied:
On 25 Jun 2018 21:07:23 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Wow! You couldn't be more spot on!

What's interesting over the years is those that can't ever add value always
congratulate others who also can't ever add value.

Earth to Mr. EMAK: I was responding to Char Jackson and you've thanked
him for adding value and you have thanked me for adding value. So your
above comment is a clear and utter falsehood/stupidity.

Not very impressive for some with an "extremely good memory", is it!?

Moral: You can't have your cake ...

[Rerun of one of your recent stupidities deleted.]

Now give yourself and us a break and see your health professional for
your AS! It's completely out of control!

Arlen Holder wrote:
On 25 Jun 2018 21:27:26 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

And if my posts are 'worthless', then why do you repeatedly thank me
for some of them? Why do you read my 'worthless' posts? Why do you
respond to my 'worthless' posts? Don't you have the self-control it
takes? Is that also 'caused' by your condition?

Frank Slootweg,
While you can't comprehend what I'm going to say, it's what I've said
before.

When, on the rare occasion, you add value, and act like an adult, I thank
you for both adding value and for acting like an adult.

Most of the time you do NOT add value, nor do you act like an adult.

When you act like a child, I tell you you're acting like a child.

Why you can't comprehend that simple equation, is what is amazing to me.

What amazes *us* is that you still don't comprehend/understand that we
don't give a toss about your silly 'justification' for acting like a
pathetic, dishonest, ignorant, clueless, stupid, obnoxious, pompous,
chest-thumping, nymshifting, paranoid, delusional, ****!

So we indeed don't understand why anyone in their mind would act like
that, but we do *know* that *you* do.

So you don't have to endlessly repeat your crap. We've heard it all
before and nobody's buying. You're all alone. Face it and move on.

On 25 Jun 2018 21:07:23 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 19:19:10 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:
[...]

I can't tell who is serious & who is joking sometimes, but I'm serious.

Take comfort knowing that Sheldon Cooper (Big Bang Theory) has the same
problem. You are not alone.

Wow! You couldn't be more spot on!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Cooper

The symptoms are a perfect match.

On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 21:21:19 -0400, nospam wrote:

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 20:54:13 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
wrote:
I think I understand the sarcasm, where, I must say, I had to get Google to
fix a private path on their maps, where I spent hours calling them up all
to no avail - but - I finally found a way where there are "Google
Volunteers" who actually do work with Google to fix maps (e.g., to not
route on private reads, where where I live, all the roads are private).

Every Google map has a "Send feedback" link on it, so a few years ago
when I discovered that about 140 miles of a particular US highway was
inexplicably missing from the map, I provided feedback. It took quite a
while, perhaps 6 months or so, but they fixed it and they sent me a note
telling me that they had done so.

they do need to verify it, but it's usually much shorter than 6 months.


When I sent feedback to Google Maps, Google verified and acknowledged
it in less than 6 months. However, it took a whole 6 months before
the fix actually showed up on Google Maps.


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In article , Ralph Fox
wrote:

Every Google map has a "Send feedback" link on it, so a few years ago
when I discovered that about 140 miles of a particular US highway was
inexplicably missing from the map, I provided feedback. It took quite a
while, perhaps 6 months or so, but they fixed it and they sent me a note
telling me that they had done so.

they do need to verify it, but it's usually much shorter than 6 months.

When I sent feedback to Google Maps, Google verified and acknowledged
it in less than 6 months. However, it took a whole 6 months before
the fix actually showed up on Google Maps.

i've seen fixes appear in as little as about a week.

one was a highway that tunneled below street level in an urban area,
with commercial buildings at street level, quite common in many cities.

google maps thought there was some sort of direct highway access that
was a drop straight down from the parking garage through steel and
concrete to the highway below. not only is that very wrong, but it's a
physical impossibility.

routing prioritized the direct 'drop' versus driving a couple of miles
to the actual on-ramp, and on city streets with numerous traffic lights
along the way, thereby saving at least 10 minutes.

it was reported and fixed around a week later.

On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 00:20:05 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

Who is "us"? Are you still hearing voices? Do they have names?

*You do so love to play your silly semantic games, Char Jackson.*

On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 19:46:10 +1200, Ralph Fox wrote:

When I sent feedback to Google Maps, Google verified and acknowledged
it in less than 6 months. However, it took a whole 6 months before
the fix actually showed up on Google Maps.

Did you work through "volunteers" who actually responded, back and forth,
to your requested fixes, and who answered your questions?

I did.

The volunteer was succinct, firm, but also understanding of every request I
made.

When I asked them to remove the road entirely (some of which is unpaved),
he responded that if exists, they don't remove it, even if I ask him to
remove it.

When I asked him to remove the name they gave it, he verified that it had
no name, and then, as I recall, removed the name (I'd have to check to be
sure of that though).

When I asked him to stop routing through it, he did, but as I noted, it
took time for that to stick.

When it stuck, I came back to him, and asked him why it still did *some*
routes, that's when he explained that they won't stop a route that begins
or ends on the unroutable road.

So it's like a bridge where you can't use it to get across the river, but
you can use it to get to an island in the middle of the river.

All in all, I thought it was very professional how Google handled the map
fixes. Later I received an automated message, as I recall, that they were
revamping their "volunteer" system, so I don't know if they still use that
mechanism or not as I haven't tried it recently.

All this is good information to note.

The other problem is that if the county GIS maps are wrong, even if the
county tax assessor's maps (deeds & easements are where it all begins) are
right, then all the other maps, e.g., NavTech maps that CoPilot uses
(AFAIR), will take a long time to update (maybe years).

I had to personally have the tax assessor's office talk to the GIS office
(one guy who has no public phone number) to get the GIS maps fixed.

They told me that will snowball to eventually fix all the maps that are
derived off the tax assessor maps, where I later checked with the police
and sheriff (who don't use paper maps anymore, they told me), and it did
take about a year for their maps to be updated - but eventually they were
(although it could just have been the interim time period between
questions).

I realize Char Jackson and especially nospam knew all this inherently
considering their repeated self-proclaimed genius, but I, a normal person
of normal intelligence who works off of facts, not intuition, didn't know
any of this until I worked on it myself to solve a set of local
neighborhood problems with trespasser not realizing they were damaging
private property (some of whom were vehement where the authorities needed
to be called in order to convince them of their errors).

Their attitude was sort of that of Snit & Good Guy, in that they felt they
had a God-Given right to damage other people's property and nothing anyone
says to them except what the authorities told them was of any good.

BTW, another thing the authorities told me is that in California, it's
nearly impossible to get the prosecutor to level a charge of trespassing on
a person, unless it's repeated and egregious.

It turns out that California Penal Code 602L (which I'm sure Wolf K. will
tell you to "just search" to find it), is such that you have to mark every
entrance and exit with specific words (although they do except facsimiles)
and you have to mark the entire perimeter every 1/3 of a mile.

This gets especially cumbersome when you have two dozen people in the
neighborhood who have to make the same or similar signs (so that they look
reasonably cohesive).

The signs have to be a certain minimum square area, and at least 2 inches
in height for the letters, and they have to say certain words, where, in
the end, any trespasser has a *huge* loophole if you don't do that first.

In California, there are, as I recall, multiple levels of trespassing, from
infraction to felony, depending on the situation, most of which are
elevated after the person has been told to leave and either returns or does
not leave.

A few times, we've had trespassers stand their ground, where the
authorities are pretty good about talking to them separately (they talk to
the trespasser first, and if they have a multi-man crew, they talk to the
owner separately). Often they get different stories, as they told me that
one guy pulled a "Good Guy" move saying a landowner pushed him and knocked
him down, where the police said they didn't even file that defamatory
report because of a few factors:
a. The guy was swearing to high heaven the whole time (unreasonably)
b. There were no witnesses and the guy had no bruises or scratches
c. The guy wouldn't make a written statement
etc.

So, like Good Guy, Snit, Nil, Diesel, Sam Hill, etc., they're just cowardly
bullies - but - like Char Jackson, Frank Slootweg, nospam, Wolf K., etc.,
they are simply normal highly emotional but ill-informed and always simple
(very simple and very ill-informed in some cases and always emotionally
charged) people who, therefore, can be made to see reason when reason is
forced upon them.

The strategic goal is to "inform" them their actions are wrong.
The tactical goal is to tell them each time when they transgress.

Some get it. Some will never get it. (Hint: Snit, Good Guy, Diesel, Nil.)

That's why trespassing escalates from an infraction (which is even lower
than a misdemeanor) up the steps to a felony, in California anyway.

On Tue, 26 Jun 2018 01:03:17 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

The symptoms are a perfect match.

*Silly semantic games are the staple of your chit-chat model, Char Jackson.*

On 25 Jun 2018 21:59:22 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

What amazes *us* is that you still don't comprehend/understand that we
don't give a toss

Frank Slootweg,

*When you act like a child in a thread I care about, I point it out to you.*
When you act like a child in a thread I don't care about, I ignore you.
When you, on very rare occasions, act like an adult, I treat you as an adult.

That you can't seem to comprehend simple logic, is why you are who you are.