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  #31  
Old October 8th 06, 09:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,alt.privacy.spyware,comp.lang.java.programmer
lisa harkema
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Default What are these mToolkit programs on my Dell laptop (Can I just remove them?)?

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 15:48:16 -0400, Lew wrote:
Java is a programming language. Javascript is a different programming
language, despite the similarity of names.

There is a vulnerability in the interaction between Java and Javascript within
a browser that Sun patched in version 1.4.2_06 and later. It is not present in
version 1.5+. If you aren't even using Java there is no risk from it. If you
run Java but not Javascript there is no risk from it. The vulnerability only
occurs when running mini-programs in Java called "applets" in combination with
certain malicious Javascript scripts in the browser.


Oh my. Thank you Lew. I do very much appreciate the advice as to what
Java and Javascript are. I never knew. I just knew that I hate when my
web browser does funky things like spin the icons and other silly
browser tricks. I turn off all that flash, realmedia, java,
javascript, etc. stuff the moment I install a browser. So, I guess I
wasn't vulnerable in the first place.

Still, it's nice to know I have the latest Java installed now
(although that will have a vulnerability in a short while if history
is any judge). That's why I prefer to have as few items running on my
system as possible ... hence the desire to rid myself of these 'm'
progams that everyone seems to have running, by default (if they use
CCleaner to show the true list of running programs).

Thanks,
Lisa
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  #32  
Old October 8th 06, 09:46 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,alt.privacy.spyware
David H. Lipman
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Default What are these mToolkit programs on my Dell laptop (Can I just remove them?)?

From: "lisa harkema"

| On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 16:59:55 GMT, "David H. Lipman"
| wrote:
|
| Do I really need this Java thing (especially since I have it turned
| off in my browser)?

|
What is MORE important was did you remove all the older versions ?
Is v5 update 9 the *ONLY* version now on your PC ?

|
| Yes. Thank you for asking. I followed your instructions which said to
| remove the old Java before installing the new Java.
|
| Thank you for alerting me to the newer Java. I still don't know why I
| need it in the first place but I'm glad to have the latest, I guess,
| just in case the old one was compromised.
|
| Of course, the new one will be compromised soon ... (and to think, I
| remember something about someone saying Java was secure a decade ago).
|
| Jeez. Whatever it is, it sure ain't secure!
| Thanks for the advice,
| Lisa

It is NOT a case of the software being compromised. It is a case of a bug in older
versions. That bug is considered a vulnerability because one can exploit the vulnerability
to install software without your consent. There is NO evidence that the version 5 update 6
and above have this vulnerability.

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  #33  
Old October 8th 06, 09:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,alt.privacy.spyware,microsoft.public.security
lisa harkema
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Default What are these mToolkit programs on my Dell laptop (Can I just remove them?)?

On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 20:10:35 GMT, "David H. Lipman"
wrote:
I also find it interesting that while the OP did NOT know anything about Java, she decided
to cross-post this to; comp.lang.java.programmer This is a vulnerability/security issue,
not a programming issue.


I removed the java programming group (it was a group I arbitrarily
found with the word "java" in it) and substituted a Microsoft security
group.

I did not know about this Java vulnerability. If I had, I would have
updated my java sooner even though I don't use it (on purpose,
anyway).

I do appreciate the warning as it seems I had the original Java
installed on my Dell so it was vulnerable (and likely exploited
already as I had to remove more than a few viruses and trojans
(whatever they are) when I installed spywareblaster and mcafee.

Lisa
  #34  
Old October 8th 06, 10:00 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,alt.privacy.spyware,microsoft.public.security
David H. Lipman
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Default What are these mToolkit programs on my Dell laptop (Can I just remove them?)?

From: "lisa harkema"


|
| I removed the java programming group (it was a group I arbitrarily
| found with the word "java" in it) and substituted a Microsoft security
| group.
|
| I did not know about this Java vulnerability. If I had, I would have
| updated my java sooner even though I don't use it (on purpose,
| anyway).
|
| I do appreciate the warning as it seems I had the original Java
| installed on my Dell so it was vulnerable (and likely exploited
| already as I had to remove more than a few viruses and trojans
| (whatever they are) when I installed spywareblaster and mcafee.
|
| Lisa

What blows my mind is that this vulnerability has been known about for almost 2 years by Sun
and was first publicy noted by Sun on Feb 7, '06 but Dell still is shipping systems with
this vulnerable version installed.


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  #35  
Old October 8th 06, 10:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,alt.privacy.spyware,comp.lang.java.programmer
Brandon McCombs
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Default What are these mToolkit programs on my Dell laptop (Can I justremove them?)?

lisa harkema wrote:
On Sun, 08 Oct 2006 15:48:16 -0400, Lew wrote:
Java is a programming language. Javascript is a different programming
language, despite the similarity of names.

There is a vulnerability in the interaction between Java and Javascript within
a browser that Sun patched in version 1.4.2_06 and later. It is not present in
version 1.5+. If you aren't even using Java there is no risk from it. If you
run Java but not Javascript there is no risk from it. The vulnerability only
occurs when running mini-programs in Java called "applets" in combination with
certain malicious Javascript scripts in the browser.


Oh my. Thank you Lew. I do very much appreciate the advice as to what
Java and Javascript are. I never knew. I just knew that I hate when my
web browser does funky things like spin the icons and other silly
browser tricks. I turn off all that flash, realmedia, java,
javascript, etc. stuff the moment I install a browser. So, I guess I
wasn't vulnerable in the first place.

Still, it's nice to know I have the latest Java installed now
(although that will have a vulnerability in a short while if history
is any judge). That's why I prefer to have as few items running on my
system as possible ... hence the desire to rid myself of these 'm'
progams that everyone seems to have running, by default (if they use
CCleaner to show the true list of running programs).

Thanks,
Lisa


If you knew what you were doing and were really concerned you wouldn't
keep anything on the laptop that came with it since companies like Dell
think people need a bunch of useless programs pre-installed in order to
take advantage of their computer. If you reinstalled and reformatted
the drive then you would know exactly what is on the computer and you
wouldn't have to worry about removing things but only adding them as you
see fit.
  #36  
Old October 9th 06, 02:36 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,alt.privacy.spyware,microsoft.public.security
Malke
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Default What are these mToolkit programs on my Dell laptop (Can I just remove them?)?

David H. Lipman wrote:

From: "lisa harkema"


|
| I removed the java programming group (it was a group I arbitrarily
| found with the word "java" in it) and substituted a Microsoft
| security group.
|
| I did not know about this Java vulnerability. If I had, I would have
| updated my java sooner even though I don't use it (on purpose,
| anyway).
|
| I do appreciate the warning as it seems I had the original Java
| installed on my Dell so it was vulnerable (and likely exploited
| already as I had to remove more than a few viruses and trojans
| (whatever they are) when I installed spywareblaster and mcafee.
|
| Lisa

What blows my mind is that this vulnerability has been known about for
almost 2 years by Sun and was first publicy noted by Sun on Feb 7, '06
but Dell still is shipping systems with this vulnerable version
installed.


Not only that, David - I just ran into a client's box that is running an
ancient version of Java within an HP Toolbox. I had uninstalled Java
before cleaning it up so I was most surprised to see javaw.exe running.
When I tracked it down, it came from this HP printer Toolbox running
Java 1.3.something! No way to deal with that, so I left it. Sheesh.

Malke
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  #37  
Old October 9th 06, 02:50 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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Malke wrote:
David H. Lipman wrote:

From: "lisa harkema"



I removed the java programming group (it was a group I arbitrarily
found with the word "java" in it) and substituted a Microsoft
security group.

I did not know about this Java vulnerability. If I had, I would have
updated my java sooner even though I don't use it (on purpose,
anyway).

I do appreciate the warning as it seems I had the original Java
installed on my Dell so it was vulnerable (and likely exploited
already as I had to remove more than a few viruses and trojans
(whatever they are) when I installed spywareblaster and mcafee.

Lisa


What blows my mind is that this vulnerability has been known about
for almost 2 years by Sun and was first publicy noted by Sun on Feb
7, '06 but Dell still is shipping systems with this vulnerable
version installed.


Not only that, David - I just ran into a client's box that is running
an ancient version of Java within an HP Toolbox. I had uninstalled
Java before cleaning it up so I was most surprised to see javaw.exe
running. When I tracked it down, it came from this HP printer Toolbox
running Java 1.3.something! No way to deal with that, so I left it.
Sheesh.

Malke


I have tracked down more weird, intermittent problems to HP software than
any other manufacturer. It's gotten so bad that if a system is experiencing
weird problems one of my first troubleshooting steps is to uninstall all HP
devices and software.

--
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MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca




  #38  
Old October 9th 06, 03:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
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"Kerry Brown" *a*m wrote in message
...
Malke wrote:
David H. Lipman wrote:

From: "lisa harkema"



I removed the java programming group (it was a group I arbitrarily
found with the word "java" in it) and substituted a Microsoft
security group.

I did not know about this Java vulnerability. If I had, I would have
updated my java sooner even though I don't use it (on purpose,
anyway).

I do appreciate the warning as it seems I had the original Java
installed on my Dell so it was vulnerable (and likely exploited
already as I had to remove more than a few viruses and trojans
(whatever they are) when I installed spywareblaster and mcafee.

Lisa

What blows my mind is that this vulnerability has been known about
for almost 2 years by Sun and was first publicy noted by Sun on Feb
7, '06 but Dell still is shipping systems with this vulnerable
version installed.


Not only that, David - I just ran into a client's box that is running
an ancient version of Java within an HP Toolbox. I had uninstalled
Java before cleaning it up so I was most surprised to see javaw.exe
running. When I tracked it down, it came from this HP printer Toolbox
running Java 1.3.something! No way to deal with that, so I left it.
Sheesh.

Malke


I have tracked down more weird, intermittent problems to HP software than any
other manufacturer. It's gotten so bad that if a system is experiencing weird
problems one of my first troubleshooting steps is to uninstall all HP devices and
software.

--
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MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


I have been running into the same thing, Kerry. I didn't see it so much with HP
software (for printers etc) in the late 1990's, but since about 2000 it has gotten
worse, IMHO.
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  #39  
Old October 9th 06, 06:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,alt.privacy.spyware,microsoft.public.security.virus
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Unfortunately, my Acer notebook uses a different wireless adapter and does not have
any of the items you see, either in ARP or in CCleaner's list.

I still think asking Dell Support might eventually clear up the functions. It
appears they are utilities rather than actual drivers so there may be no harm in
deleting them......but with no personal contact with these apps, I can't say.
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"lisa harkema" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 01:57:53 -0400, "glee"
wrote:

Hi Lisa,
I think what you may be seeing are programs that were installed by the OEM (Dell,
in
this case) that they did not want the end user to remove, possibly because they
are
integral to certain features of the laptop, or to their support plan. Most if not
all of the entries appear to be for troubleshooting and configuring an Intel
wireless adapter and drivers (does the laptop have an integrated wireless
adapter?).
Removing the items may well be "shooting yourself in the foot" if the applications
are needed for the functioning of your wireless adapter. I would *not* remove any
of them for that reason. Have you asked Dell support personnel about them?

The most likely reason they all have an "m" at the front of their names is that
one
method to hide an item in the Registry's uninstall keys is to use the
"ApplicationDisplayName" string to identify the items to be hidden. The OEM may
have used a script to hide all entries in the Uninstall key whose DisplayName
began
with "m" at the time the system was built (before you got it and installed more
apps).

I would be wary of the suggestion to wipe the system and install fresh from a
Windows CD only because you may find items such as the integrated wireless adapter
no longer work, unless you can download and install the drivers and configuration
apps from Dell.....in which case you'd likely be back where you began, but with
the
items perhaps no longer hidden. That assumes that Dell has those apps available
for
download.

Hope this helps.


Oop. I already deleted some of them. And, YES, I DO have a wireless
card installed by the manufacturer. I'd better hold off on deleting
them I guess. I got rid of about half of them. I generally don't use
the wireless card but I do use it when I travel.
Lisa


  #40  
Old October 9th 06, 01:21 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support
David H. Lipman
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From: "Malke"


| Not only that, David - I just ran into a client's box that is running an
| ancient version of Java within an HP Toolbox. I had uninstalled Java
| before cleaning it up so I was most surprised to see javaw.exe running.
| When I tracked it down, it came from this HP printer Toolbox running
| Java 1.3.something! No way to deal with that, so I left it. Sheesh.
|
| Malke

There is updated information on Sun Java vulnerabilities that could be the reason that JRE
v5 updates 7 and 8 were pulled so quickly...

http://sunsolve.sun.com/search/docum...=1-26-102648-1


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  #41  
Old October 9th 06, 04:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.print_fax,comp.periphs.printers
lisa harkema
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Default What are these mToolkit programs on my Dell laptop (Can I just remove them?)?

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:50:52 -0700, "Kerry Brown"
*a*m wrote:


Not only that, David - I just ran into a client's box that is running
an ancient version of Java within an HP Toolbox. I had uninstalled
Java before cleaning it up so I was most surprised to see javaw.exe
running. When I tracked it down, it came from this HP printer Toolbox
running Java 1.3.something! No way to deal with that, so I left it.
Sheesh.


I have tracked down more weird, intermittent problems to HP software than
any other manufacturer. It's gotten so bad that if a system is experiencing
weird problems one of my first troubleshooting steps is to uninstall all HP
devices and software.


Oh no. I also have an HP printer and it took over twenty minutes
yesterday for the HP software to install the little driver after I
removed all the programs using CCLeaners Add/remove programs.

I couldn't believe it took so long for the HP to load a simple
driver! After a really long wait (maybe even more than twenty
minutes), I findally had to reboot and there is now all sorts of
unwanted HP stuff on my desktop and in my start menu.

And, all I wanted to do was print.

After all this work of cleaning my system of the old vulnerable Java,
how can I tell if HP (re)installed the vulnerable Java (BACK) onto my
WinXP home machine?

Lisa
  #42  
Old October 12th 06, 05:35 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.print_fax
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When you inserted the installation CD for the printer you should
have selected the Custom install for just the drivers and a minimum
of system files. Not the entire application.
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"lisa harkema" wrote:

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:50:52 -0700, "Kerry Brown"
*a*m wrote:


Not only that, David - I just ran into a client's box that is running
an ancient version of Java within an HP Toolbox. I had uninstalled
Java before cleaning it up so I was most surprised to see javaw.exe
running. When I tracked it down, it came from this HP printer Toolbox
running Java 1.3.something! No way to deal with that, so I left it.
Sheesh.


I have tracked down more weird, intermittent problems to HP software than
any other manufacturer. It's gotten so bad that if a system is experiencing
weird problems one of my first troubleshooting steps is to uninstall all HP
devices and software.


Oh no. I also have an HP printer and it took over twenty minutes
yesterday for the HP software to install the little driver after I
removed all the programs using CCLeaners Add/remove programs.

I couldn't believe it took so long for the HP to load a simple
driver! After a really long wait (maybe even more than twenty
minutes), I findally had to reboot and there is now all sorts of
unwanted HP stuff on my desktop and in my start menu.

And, all I wanted to do was print.

After all this work of cleaning my system of the old vulnerable Java,
how can I tell if HP (re)installed the vulnerable Java (BACK) onto my
WinXP home machine?

Lisa

  #43  
Old October 12th 06, 07:26 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.print_fax
Kerry Brown
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This is not possible with some HP printers. Even if you try to add the
printer manually and point to the drivers during the driver install the HP
installation program will run and add things like Share-to-Web whether you
want them or not.

--
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http://www.vistahelp.ca


Byte wrote:
When you inserted the installation CD for the printer you should
have selected the Custom install for just the drivers and a minimum
of system files. Not the entire application.

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:50:52 -0700, "Kerry Brown"
*a*m wrote:


Not only that, David - I just ran into a client's box that is
running an ancient version of Java within an HP Toolbox. I had
uninstalled Java before cleaning it up so I was most surprised to
see javaw.exe running. When I tracked it down, it came from this
HP printer Toolbox running Java 1.3.something! No way to deal with
that, so I left it. Sheesh.

I have tracked down more weird, intermittent problems to HP
software than any other manufacturer. It's gotten so bad that if a
system is experiencing weird problems one of my first
troubleshooting steps is to uninstall all HP devices and software.


Oh no. I also have an HP printer and it took over twenty minutes
yesterday for the HP software to install the little driver after I
removed all the programs using CCLeaners Add/remove programs.

I couldn't believe it took so long for the HP to load a simple
driver! After a really long wait (maybe even more than twenty
minutes), I findally had to reboot and there is now all sorts of
unwanted HP stuff on my desktop and in my start menu.

And, all I wanted to do was print.

After all this work of cleaning my system of the old vulnerable Java,
how can I tell if HP (re)installed the vulnerable Java (BACK) onto my
WinXP home machine?

Lisa



  #44  
Old October 13th 06, 09:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.print_fax
Byte
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You could be right Kerry, but so far I have two (2) HP printers
and an Epson installed and each of them had a custom install. They
could go to the HP website and download just the drivers and some
of the embedded system files for a minimum install.
Or, call - 1-800-HPINVENT for assistance.
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"Kerry Brown" wrote:

This is not possible with some HP printers. Even if you try to add the
printer manually and point to the drivers during the driver install the HP
installation program will run and add things like Share-to-Web whether you
want them or not.

--
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MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


Byte wrote:
When you inserted the installation CD for the printer you should
have selected the Custom install for just the drivers and a minimum
of system files. Not the entire application.

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:50:52 -0700, "Kerry Brown"
*a*m wrote:


Not only that, David - I just ran into a client's box that is
running an ancient version of Java within an HP Toolbox. I had
uninstalled Java before cleaning it up so I was most surprised to
see javaw.exe running. When I tracked it down, it came from this
HP printer Toolbox running Java 1.3.something! No way to deal with
that, so I left it. Sheesh.

I have tracked down more weird, intermittent problems to HP
software than any other manufacturer. It's gotten so bad that if a
system is experiencing weird problems one of my first
troubleshooting steps is to uninstall all HP devices and software.

Oh no. I also have an HP printer and it took over twenty minutes
yesterday for the HP software to install the little driver after I
removed all the programs using CCLeaners Add/remove programs.

I couldn't believe it took so long for the HP to load a simple
driver! After a really long wait (maybe even more than twenty
minutes), I findally had to reboot and there is now all sorts of
unwanted HP stuff on my desktop and in my start menu.

And, all I wanted to do was print.

After all this work of cleaning my system of the old vulnerable Java,
how can I tell if HP (re)installed the vulnerable Java (BACK) onto my
WinXP home machine?

Lisa




  #45  
Old October 13th 06, 09:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.help_and_support,microsoft.public.windowsxp.print_fax
Kerry Brown
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On some low cost (cheap) HP printers none of the options you suggest are
available.

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Byte wrote:
You could be right Kerry, but so far I have two (2) HP printers
and an Epson installed and each of them had a custom install. They
could go to the HP website and download just the drivers and some
of the embedded system files for a minimum install.
Or, call - 1-800-HPINVENT for assistance.

This is not possible with some HP printers. Even if you try to add
the printer manually and point to the drivers during the driver
install the HP installation program will run and add things like
Share-to-Web whether you want them or not.

--
Kerry
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


Byte wrote:
When you inserted the installation CD for the printer you should
have selected the Custom install for just the drivers and a minimum
of system files. Not the entire application.

On Sun, 8 Oct 2006 18:50:52 -0700, "Kerry Brown"
*a*m wrote:


Not only that, David - I just ran into a client's box that is
running an ancient version of Java within an HP Toolbox. I had
uninstalled Java before cleaning it up so I was most surprised to
see javaw.exe running. When I tracked it down, it came from this
HP printer Toolbox running Java 1.3.something! No way to deal
with that, so I left it. Sheesh.

I have tracked down more weird, intermittent problems to HP
software than any other manufacturer. It's gotten so bad that if a
system is experiencing weird problems one of my first
troubleshooting steps is to uninstall all HP devices and software.

Oh no. I also have an HP printer and it took over twenty minutes
yesterday for the HP software to install the little driver after I
removed all the programs using CCLeaners Add/remove programs.

I couldn't believe it took so long for the HP to load a simple
driver! After a really long wait (maybe even more than twenty
minutes), I findally had to reboot and there is now all sorts of
unwanted HP stuff on my desktop and in my start menu.

And, all I wanted to do was print.

After all this work of cleaning my system of the old vulnerable
Java, how can I tell if HP (re)installed the vulnerable Java
(BACK) onto my WinXP home machine?

Lisa



 




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