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Win 7 Pro.
Using Media Center to record TV. Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC that records. On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd TV show. Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following: Favorites Public REcorded TV C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV Recorded TV C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms Is this the cause of doubles ? They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???) How do I un-double ? |
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-09-03 14:23, OldGeezer wrote: Win 7 Pro. Using Media Center to record TV. Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC that records. On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd TV show. Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following: Favorites Public REcorded TV C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV Recorded TV C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms Is this the cause of doubles ? They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???) There is only one video file, in only one location. The Library is a list of pointers (links) to the files in that l library's category. Makes it unnecessary to create your own data-filing system (ie, folders and subfolders). NB that many programs put their output there, in suitably named subfolders. How do I un-double ? Un-Favorite one of them, I think will do it. Can't hurt to try, worst case is to have make it a Favorite again. (I don't do favourites.) Libraries are a good idea in principle, but IMO MS hasn't done a good enough job. there are 3rd party programs that do a better job of keeping track of your files (eg, your pictures). That being said, as long as you don't have thousands of files in your libraries, they work well enough. Best, So would it be accurate to say if you generally know where you keep and store your files (and programs), and in fact prefer that explicit type of organization, the use of libraries is a bit superfluous? Or am I the odd man out? I am guessing that feature was added for those who don't know or care to know where everything is located on their hard drives, but I don't know that for a fact. |
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Bill in Co wrote:
Wolf K wrote: On 2018-09-03 14:23, OldGeezer wrote: Win 7 Pro. Using Media Center to record TV. Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC that records. On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd TV show. Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following: Favorites Public REcorded TV C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV Recorded TV C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms Is this the cause of doubles ? They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???) There is only one video file, in only one location. The Library is a list of pointers (links) to the files in that l library's category. Makes it unnecessary to create your own data-filing system (ie, folders and subfolders). NB that many programs put their output there, in suitably named subfolders. How do I un-double ? Un-Favorite one of them, I think will do it. Can't hurt to try, worst case is to have make it a Favorite again. (I don't do favourites.) Libraries are a good idea in principle, but IMO MS hasn't done a good enough job. there are 3rd party programs that do a better job of keeping track of your files (eg, your pictures). That being said, as long as you don't have thousands of files in your libraries, they work well enough. Best, So would it be accurate to say if you generally know where you keep and store your files (and programs), and in fact prefer that explicit type of organization, the use of libraries is a bit superfluous? Or am I the odd man out? I am guessing that feature was added for those who don't know or care to know where everything is located on their hard drives, but I don't know that for a fact. You have to know a lot to use libraries. I don't consider it a free lunch. You won't understand a damn thing if you just try and use them. You won't know where your files went, and so on. In this case, the two entries showing up like that means that the non-library link is actually part of the Library item. (I think most people reading this thread, have that suspicion too, so this isn't exactly a revelation.) The Library consists of multiple folders in a list. One of the items is the "Default" item. If you "toss" a file into the Library, it is stored in the "Default" item. It's my suspicion in this case, that not only is the duplicate item a member of the Library in question, but it's also the "Default" item. What happens at this point, is anybodies guess. I don't want to make a suggestion and break something, that's for sure. Shirely this situation has happened before, and it's already on some Media Center specialists web page... ******* I can tell you, to get my tuner card to work in Win7 Media Center, was a son of a bitch. I had to roam around the web, looking for an obscure script, just so the DTV channel lineup for my new tuner would show up. I was... not amused. I probably wasted half an evening poking at that thing with a stick, and it was sheer luck on search terms, that found the "Canadian" script that people in Canada have to run. A "US" user doesn't have to do this. Even if there was a breadcrumb in the stupid interface, I would have been happy. Instead, I had to slug it out with the search engine, until something popped up. The only thing that could have been worse, is using MythTV :-) Paul |
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OK, so the folder is under favorites.
Are these libraries or not ? I was confused and now more so since Libraries and Favorites seemed to be talked about together. If I delete a Favorite/Folder does that delete the data in the real folder ? If there is a Library/folder and I try to delete the Library/Folder does that delete the data ? |
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OldGeezer wrote:
OK, so the folder is under favorites. Are these libraries or not ? I was confused and now more so since Libraries and Favorites seemed to be talked about together. If I delete a Favorite/Folder does that delete the data in the real folder ? If there is a Library/folder and I try to delete the Library/Folder does that delete the data ? You had some information in your first post, with a breadcrumb. C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms That appears as an icon in the folder. If you do Properties on it, it shows the folder list. Here is mine on Windows 7 Pro x64, with a tuner card present and Windows Media Center in the background. https://s33.postimg.cc/756qznxi7/public_recorded.gif That Library, appears to be added to Favorites by Media Center. At a guess. ******* One barrier I ran into, is C:\Documents and Settings, which was Access Denied or similar rubbish. I have a copy of Sysinternals.com "Junction" and the junction64.exe program. junction64.exe "C:\Documents and Settings" and it tells me that is the same thing as "C:\Users". So that solved the mystery of where that one leads. I could then move to C:\Users\Public and continue my journey. ******* The top one in your original post, looks non-standard. Favorites Public REcorded TV C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV Recorded TV C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms My Favorites has Desktop Downloads Recent Places Recorded TV (that library) My Favorites has no Public REcorded TV. It looks like you may have added that manually. If you use this article: https://superuser.com/questions/3767...r-in-windows-7 cd /d %userprofile%/Links dir shortcut... shortcut... shortcut... Public REcorded TV === It'll be a shortcut here, and turf-able The Links folder appears to be part of the Side Bar in Explorer. And that's where that annoying thing is stored. Is this stuff fun, or... what??? :-) I didn't think that OS was all set up for this, but it was, so I could take a look now. I thought I trashed this setup months ago, but it's still there. HTH, Paul |
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On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 19:52:34 -0600, "Bill in Co"
wrote: Wolf K wrote: On 2018-09-03 14:23, OldGeezer wrote: Win 7 Pro. Using Media Center to record TV. Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC that records. On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd TV show. Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following: Favorites Public REcorded TV C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV Recorded TV C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms Is this the cause of doubles ? They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???) There is only one video file, in only one location. The Library is a list of pointers (links) to the files in that l library's category. Makes it unnecessary to create your own data-filing system (ie, folders and subfolders). NB that many programs put their output there, in suitably named subfolders. How do I un-double ? Un-Favorite one of them, I think will do it. Can't hurt to try, worst case is to have make it a Favorite again. (I don't do favourites.) Libraries are a good idea in principle, but IMO MS hasn't done a good enough job. there are 3rd party programs that do a better job of keeping track of your files (eg, your pictures). That being said, as long as you don't have thousands of files in your libraries, they work well enough. Best, So would it be accurate to say if you generally know where you keep and store your files (and programs), and in fact prefer that explicit type of organization, the use of libraries is a bit superfluous? Or am I the odd man out? I am guessing that feature was added for those who don't know or care to know where everything is located on their hard drives, but I don't know that for a fact. IMHO, the main benefit to using Libraries is that they allow you to see a merged view of multiple folders while being able to designate one of those folders as the default save location. You sometimes hear of people who want to move their profile folders to a data drive. With Libraries, you can achieve that effect without actually doing it, which seems to help Windows retain a semblance of sanity. Just create your folder hierarchy on your data drive, then create a set of Library folders that each includes the original profile folder from the Windows volume as well as the corresponding folder on the data drive. Make the folder on the data drive the default save location. Lastly, make it a habit to access the folders via their respective Library references (the direct references still exist and remain unchanged). I've been using Libraries in that way for quite a few years now, going all the way back to when Win 7 came out and people were deathly afraid of them and asked how to remove all references to Libraries from Win Explorer. For me, Libraries have nothing to do with not knowing where files have been stored. I'd say it's just the opposite. -- Char Jackson |
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Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 3 Sep 2018 19:52:34 -0600, "Bill in Co" wrote: Wolf K wrote: On 2018-09-03 14:23, OldGeezer wrote: Win 7 Pro. Using Media Center to record TV. Remote PC on LAN also has Media Center and sees what is on prime PC that records. On remote PC I always seem to get two copies listed for each recorderd TV show. Window Explorer has on prime recording PC has the following: Favorites Public REcorded TV C:\Documents and Settings\Public\Recorded TV Recorded TV C:\Users\Public\Libraries\RecordedTV.library-ms Is this the cause of doubles ? They both seem to eventually go to the same folder. (I think ???) There is only one video file, in only one location. The Library is a list of pointers (links) to the files in that l library's category. Makes it unnecessary to create your own data-filing system (ie, folders and subfolders). NB that many programs put their output there, in suitably named subfolders. How do I un-double ? Un-Favorite one of them, I think will do it. Can't hurt to try, worst case is to have make it a Favorite again. (I don't do favourites.) Libraries are a good idea in principle, but IMO MS hasn't done a good enough job. there are 3rd party programs that do a better job of keeping track of your files (eg, your pictures). That being said, as long as you don't have thousands of files in your libraries, they work well enough. Best, So would it be accurate to say if you generally know where you keep and store your files (and programs), and in fact prefer that explicit type of organization, the use of libraries is a bit superfluous? Or am I the odd man out? I am guessing that feature was added for those who don't know or care to know where everything is located on their hard drives, but I don't know that for a fact. IMHO, the main benefit to using Libraries is that they allow you to see a merged view of multiple folders while being able to designate one of those folders as the default save location. You sometimes hear of people who want to move their profile folders to a data drive. With Libraries, you can achieve that effect without actually doing it, which seems to help Windows retain a semblance of sanity. Just create your folder hierarchy on your data drive, then create a set of Library folders that each includes the original profile folder from the Windows volume as well as the corresponding folder on the data drive. Make the folder on the data drive the default save location. Lastly, make it a habit to access the folders via their respective Library references (the direct references still exist and remain unchanged). I've been using Libraries in that way for quite a few years now, going all the way back to when Win 7 came out and people were deathly afraid of them and asked how to remove all references to Libraries from Win Explorer. For me, Libraries have nothing to do with not knowing where files have been stored. I'd say it's just the opposite. I don't really get this, but I guess that's just me (and that includes the merged view of multiple folders you referenced above, which I don't really understand). To wit: The only use I've ever had for so-called "profiles" is when I copy the Firefox or Chrome "profiles" over to another computer to set it up to match what I already had on the original computer. That's the extent of my dealing with "profiles", as far as I know. But in that sense, I can understand the convenience of having those profiles being copied, and maybe that's an example that is illustrating your point, since those "profiles" contain all the linked information necessary to configure Firefox and Chrome to our preferences. But all of my personal stuff is located in very specific directories, and if I need to copy them to another computer (or for backup), I simply copy the appropriate directory of files. There are NO *virtual* references of anything (at least that I can see here), and I guess I still don't see the advantages of using such. But then again, I only use the D or E or F partitions for data storage, and not programs or any windows related stuff. ALL of that stuff is on the main C: partition. |
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