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Old January 18th 14, 03:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
W[_2_]
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Is it correct that Windows 7 no longer has Microsoft Outlook Express? Is
there any option to buy this software from Microsoft?

I have a relative migrating from XP to Windows 7, and I would not be
thrilled having to install an overweight application like full Microsoft
Outlook. I was hoping to find a way to install Outlook Express and then
export from XP and import directly to the same application on Windows 7.

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Old January 18th 14, 03:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 1/17/2014 8:11 PM, W wrote:
Is it correct that Windows 7 no longer has Microsoft Outlook Express?


True.

Is there any option to buy this software from Microsoft?


No but Microsoft has a replacement called WLM (Windows Live Mail). There
are different versions of it and later versions forgot how to quote
text. It is sort of like OE and sort of not.

I have a relative migrating from XP to Windows 7, and I would not be
thrilled having to install an overweight application like full Microsoft
Outlook. I was hoping to find a way to install Outlook Express and then
export from XP and import directly to the same application on Windows 7.


I am not pleased with WLM at all. Although you might like it. If I had
to pick one WLM to like, it would be WLM 2009. While I am not a big fan
of Thunderbird, it is better than WLM. And it runs on XP, Vista, 7, and 8.

I just recently heard of a new one called Outlook Express Classic. I
haven't tried it yet, but it is suppose to be very much like Outlook
Express. That is right up my alley. So it sounds interesting.

http://www.oeclassic.com/

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Bill
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Old January 18th 14, 03:47 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"BillW50" wrote in message
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On 1/17/2014 8:11 PM, W wrote:
Is it correct that Windows 7 no longer has Microsoft Outlook Express?


True.

Is there any option to buy this software from Microsoft?


No but Microsoft has a replacement called WLM (Windows Live Mail). There
are different versions of it and later versions forgot how to quote
text. It is sort of like OE and sort of not.

I have a relative migrating from XP to Windows 7, and I would not be
thrilled having to install an overweight application like full Microsoft
Outlook. I was hoping to find a way to install Outlook Express and

then
export from XP and import directly to the same application on Windows 7.


I am not pleased with WLM at all. Although you might like it. If I had
to pick one WLM to like, it would be WLM 2009. While I am not a big fan
of Thunderbird, it is better than WLM. And it runs on XP, Vista, 7, and 8.

I just recently heard of a new one called Outlook Express Classic. I
haven't tried it yet, but it is suppose to be very much like Outlook
Express. That is right up my alley. So it sounds interesting.

http://www.oeclassic.com/


If I want a seamless import of all of the Outlook Express export files
(i.e., address book, mail store, and mail server settings), then my best
option is the full version of Microsoft Outlook?

--
W


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Old January 18th 14, 04:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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BillW50 wrote:
I just recently heard of a new one called Outlook Express Classic. I
haven't tried it yet, but it is suppose to be very much like Outlook
Express. That is right up my alley. So it sounds interesting.

http://www.oeclassic.com/


Interesting.

FWIW: List of differences between free and pro version:

http://www.oeclassic.com/order


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Old January 18th 14, 04:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 1/17/2014 8:25 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 01/17/2014 05:20 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/17/2014 6:38 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:

boot.ini is as follows:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Window s
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Micro soft Windows XP
Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect


Thanks again,


The two lines that contains:

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)

Is the part we are interested in. When you change one, you should also
change the other one.

The disk(0) part should be right on a single drive system. Unless you
are using a PATA drive set as a slave. Then it should probably be
disk(1), but that isn't usually the problem. Just something to think
about for later.

That partition(1) part is saying that Windows is on the second partition
on the drive. Do you know if it is? If it is on the first partition,
then it should say partition(0). This is the one that I usually find is
wrong. It doesn't hurt to change this one, except if it is wrong,
Windows won't boot. That is okay, as you could always change it.


Thanks Bill. This is indeed the only disk in the system, and checking
with the BIOS it is configured as master.

Windows is indeed the first partition on the disk (it was the first OS I
installed). I tried changing multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) to
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(0) (in both lines), but still no joy (I
even tried (2) just for fun.

Thanks,


Wow! I am very surprised as that usually takes care of it for me. Yes I
too would have tried using partition(2) as well (good show). I guess you
are stuck looking at the Windows boot files now. Sure is weird though
with just a flashing cursor.

Hey, I am not sure it matters anymore with 2000, XP, and up; but is the
Windows partition marked as active? If not, it might not boot.

--
Bill
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Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Professional
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Old January 18th 14, 04:36 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 01/17/2014 07:06 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/17/2014 8:25 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 01/17/2014 05:20 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/17/2014 6:38 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:

boot.ini is as follows:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Window s
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Micro soft Windows XP
Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect


Thanks again,

The two lines that contains:

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)

Is the part we are interested in. When you change one, you should also
change the other one.

The disk(0) part should be right on a single drive system. Unless you
are using a PATA drive set as a slave. Then it should probably be
disk(1), but that isn't usually the problem. Just something to think
about for later.

That partition(1) part is saying that Windows is on the second partition
on the drive. Do you know if it is? If it is on the first partition,
then it should say partition(0). This is the one that I usually find is
wrong. It doesn't hurt to change this one, except if it is wrong,
Windows won't boot. That is okay, as you could always change it.


Thanks Bill. This is indeed the only disk in the system, and checking
with the BIOS it is configured as master.

Windows is indeed the first partition on the disk (it was the first OS I
installed). I tried changing multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) to
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(0) (in both lines), but still no joy (I
even tried (2) just for fun.

Thanks,


Wow! I am very surprised as that usually takes care of it for me. Yes I
too would have tried using partition(2) as well (good show). I guess you
are stuck looking at the Windows boot files now. Sure is weird though
with just a flashing cursor.


Oddly enough, the windows partition here on the desktop is also listed
as multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1), and is also on the first
partition. It still boots successfully, though.

Hey, I am not sure it matters anymore with 2000, XP, and up; but is the
Windows partition marked as active? If not, it might not boot.


Aye, It's marked as the active (boot) partition in everything I've
looked at it with.

Head scratcher, ain't it?

Jon


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Old January 18th 14, 04:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 17 Jan 2014, "W" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Is it correct that Windows 7 no longer has Microsoft Outlook
Express? Is there any option to buy this software from
Microsoft?


No. The latest version of OE was released in 2001 and it was
discontinued when Vista was released in 2007.

I have a relative migrating from XP to Windows 7, and I would not
be thrilled having to install an overweight application like full
Microsoft Outlook. I was hoping to find a way to install
Outlook Express and then export from XP and import directly to the
same application on Windows 7.


I just went through this exercise for a friend. On his new Windows 8
computer I installed Mozilla Thunderbird. It imported all his Outlook
Express mail folders. You can export the OE addressbook in vCard or CSV
format, which can then be imported into Thunderbird.
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Old January 18th 14, 05:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
BillW50
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On 1/17/2014 9:36 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 01/17/2014 07:06 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/17/2014 8:25 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:
On 01/17/2014 05:20 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/17/2014 6:38 PM, Jon Danniken wrote:

boot.ini is as follows:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Window s
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Micro soft Windows XP
Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect


Thanks again,

The two lines that contains:

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)

Is the part we are interested in. When you change one, you should also
change the other one.

The disk(0) part should be right on a single drive system. Unless you
are using a PATA drive set as a slave. Then it should probably be
disk(1), but that isn't usually the problem. Just something to think
about for later.

That partition(1) part is saying that Windows is on the second partition
on the drive. Do you know if it is? If it is on the first partition,
then it should say partition(0). This is the one that I usually find is
wrong. It doesn't hurt to change this one, except if it is wrong,
Windows won't boot. That is okay, as you could always change it.

Thanks Bill. This is indeed the only disk in the system, and checking
with the BIOS it is configured as master.

Windows is indeed the first partition on the disk (it was the first OS I
installed). I tried changing multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) to
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(0) (in both lines), but still no joy (I
even tried (2) just for fun.

Thanks,


Wow! I am very surprised as that usually takes care of it for me. Yes I
too would have tried using partition(2) as well (good show). I guess you
are stuck looking at the Windows boot files now. Sure is weird though
with just a flashing cursor.


Oddly enough, the windows partition here on the desktop is also listed
as multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1), and is also on the first
partition. It still boots successfully, though.


Yeah it is confusing. Sometimes 0 means the first one or could mean it
doesn't exist in computer talk. Maybe there is no such thing as a
partition(0) and starts at (1).

Hey, I am not sure it matters anymore with 2000, XP, and up; but is the
Windows partition marked as active? If not, it might not boot.


Aye, It's marked as the active (boot) partition in everything I've
looked at it with.

Head scratcher, ain't it?


Yup, well it sounds everything is right where it should be except one
little thing is off.

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Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Professional
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Old January 18th 14, 05:19 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
BillW50
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On 1/17/2014 9:42 PM, Nil wrote:
On 17 Jan 2014, wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Is it correct that Windows 7 no longer has Microsoft Outlook
Express? Is there any option to buy this software from
Microsoft?


No. The latest version of OE was released in 2001 and it was
discontinued when Vista was released in 2007.


Actually OE6 had a number of SP (2 I think) and it changed drastically
since then. I don't even think the first version of OE6 even had the
hotkey CTRL-H for example.

For example I have a computer that still has OE6 running Windows 2000.
It has all of the updates that Microsoft has ever released for Windows
2000. And I don't like that OE6 very much, but XP with the updates, I
like that OE6 a lot more.

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1700 Tablet ('09 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Professional
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Old January 18th 14, 05:40 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
BillW50
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On 1/17/2014 8:47 PM, W wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 1/17/2014 8:11 PM, W wrote:
Is it correct that Windows 7 no longer has Microsoft Outlook Express?


True.

Is there any option to buy this software from Microsoft?


No but Microsoft has a replacement called WLM (Windows Live Mail). There
are different versions of it and later versions forgot how to quote
text. It is sort of like OE and sort of not.

I have a relative migrating from XP to Windows 7, and I would not be
thrilled having to install an overweight application like full Microsoft
Outlook. I was hoping to find a way to install Outlook Express and

then
export from XP and import directly to the same application on Windows 7.


I am not pleased with WLM at all. Although you might like it. If I had
to pick one WLM to like, it would be WLM 2009. While I am not a big fan
of Thunderbird, it is better than WLM. And it runs on XP, Vista, 7, and 8.

I just recently heard of a new one called Outlook Express Classic. I
haven't tried it yet, but it is suppose to be very much like Outlook
Express. That is right up my alley. So it sounds interesting.

http://www.oeclassic.com/


If I want a seamless import of all of the Outlook Express export files
(i.e., address book, mail store, and mail server settings), then my best
option is the full version of Microsoft Outlook?


Everything that was mentioned, Outlook (not for newsgroups), Outlook
Express Classic, WLM, and Thunderbird should be able to read and import
from OE6.

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1700 Tablet ('09 era) - Thunderbird v12
Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 8 Professional
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Old January 18th 14, 12:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Nil
writes:
On 17 Jan 2014, "W" wrote in
microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Is it correct that Windows 7 no longer has Microsoft Outlook
Express? Is there any option to buy this software from

Yes.
Microsoft?

No - it won't run under 7. (At least, I think some people have managed
to get it to do so, but it's a lot of work, and I'd say worth making the
transition to something else - IMO Thunderbird is probably the least
worst option, though I haven't looked at this OEClassic yet.)
[]
I have a relative migrating from XP to Windows 7, and I would not
be thrilled having to install an overweight application like full
Microsoft Outlook. I was hoping to find a way to install
Outlook Express and then export from XP and import directly to the
same application on Windows 7.


I just went through this exercise for a friend. On his new Windows 8
computer I installed Mozilla Thunderbird. It imported all his Outlook
Express mail folders. You can export the OE addressbook in vCard or CSV
format, which can then be imported into Thunderbird.


Given that (AFAIK, at least easily) OE won't run on 7 (let alone 8), how
did you get TB to "import" all the OE folders? Does it expect to find
them already in certain places, or can you tell it where (e. g. on a
memory stick) they are [if so what files/folders need to be copied]? I
ask because I have previous experience of some mail clients (not sure
whether including TB) offering to import everything from other ones, but
then not doing so as they weren't in the expected place and/or format.
--
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Alzheimer's by about 60 per cent. There is also good evidence that tea is good
for memory. - Michael Mosley interviewed in Radio Times, 7-13 February 2009
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Old January 18th 14, 12:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , BillW50
writes:
[]
I just recently heard of a new one called Outlook Express Classic. I
haven't tried it yet, but it is suppose to be very much like Outlook
Express. That is right up my alley. So it sounds interesting.

http://www.oeclassic.com/

Interesting. At first I was worried that it might just be a version of
Thunderbird (or something else) "tricked out" to _look like_ OE; I have
(two blind and one other) friends who use Eudora, and I was delighted to
find "Eudora OSE" (open source edition) that was exactly that, a
Thunderbird made to look like Eudora. Unfortunately, it is an early
version of Thunderbird, and seems to have no support. The one of my
blind friends who tried it couldn't get on with it; the other did, until
we had some problem (misunderstanding between her and her ISP) over
passwords: eventually I just installed the latest Thunderbird for her,
and it picked up all the settings and even emails (not surprising as
EOSE was really a Thunderbird) and she's happy. (For the blind person,
we found that Eudora 7 does actually run on 7, though unsupported, so
we've to go through the same again some time in the future - though he
is now playing with real Thunderbird).

I see this oeclassic is, though, a real and maintained prog. - though
(as another has said here; see http://www.oeclassic.com/order) there are
significant (and the implication is increasing) differences between the
free and paid version, the clincher for me probably being that it adds
an ad. to every email sent. (The paid version is 20.34 GBP or $29.9x.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

New research shows that three to five cups of coffee a day will cut the risk of
Alzheimer's by about 60 per cent. There is also good evidence that tea is good
for memory. - Michael Mosley interviewed in Radio Times, 7-13 February 2009
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Old January 18th 14, 08:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On 18 Jan 2014, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
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Given that (AFAIK, at least easily) OE won't run on 7 (let alone
8), how did you get TB to "import" all the OE folders? Does it
expect to find them already in certain places, or can you tell it
where (e. g. on a memory stick) they are [if so what files/folders
need to be copied]? I ask because I have previous experience of
some mail clients (not sure whether including TB) offering to
import everything from other ones, but then not doing so as they
weren't in the expected place and/or format.


The simplest method might be if your XP setup was still working. In
that case, Thunderbird will happily import all mail, address books, and
settings from Outlook Express. After you did that, you could then move
the whole Thunderbird profile to the new machine.

In my case, the old computer had died, but I still had access to the
files. I moved the OE message store directory with all the .dbx files
to the new machine. I can't remember exactly how it went, but I believe
that when I asked Tbird to import the messages, since it didn't find OE
installed, it let me navigate to the dbx files. I had to set up the
accounts manually.
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Old January 19th 14, 04:06 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Nil
writes:
On 18 Jan 2014, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote in microsoft.public.windowsxp.general:

Given that (AFAIK, at least easily) OE won't run on 7 (let alone
8), how did you get TB to "import" all the OE folders? Does it
expect to find them already in certain places, or can you tell it
where (e. g. on a memory stick) they are [if so what files/folders
need to be copied]? I ask because I have previous experience of
some mail clients (not sure whether including TB) offering to
import everything from other ones, but then not doing so as they
weren't in the expected place and/or format.


The simplest method might be if your XP setup was still working. In
that case, Thunderbird will happily import all mail, address books, and
settings from Outlook Express. After you did that, you could then move
the whole Thunderbird profile to the new machine.


But you would have to first install TB on the XP machine, only to move
it again afterwards.

(The case I'm going to have to deal with had OE on a '98SElite machine,
which was being replaced by a Vista laptop: I eventually managed to
transfer to Vista's own mailer [Windows Mail is it?]. The user is having
serious problems using that, and it getting Broadband [probably tomorrow
as it happens]; I'm thinking of putting Thunderbird on that, and I'm
_hoping_ it'll import from Vista's mailer. If not, I'll have to fire up
the old '98 system again [though I can't remember if I deleted all the
emails/contacts from that anyway].)

In my case, the old computer had died, but I still had access to the
files. I moved the OE message store directory with all the .dbx files
to the new machine. I can't remember exactly how it went, but I believe
that when I asked Tbird to import the messages, since it didn't find OE
installed, it let me navigate to the dbx files. I had to set up the
accounts manually.


That might be what I have to do. (I might be having to set up new
accounts anyway, as he's changing ISP; I don't know if his old ISP
[wanadoo, now Orange] will continue to let him use their servers - I
suspect not, but I have found cases where UK ISPs do allow this. [If
anyone knows if Orange will allow access from another ISP's connection,
please tell. Maybe they will if the old dial-up number is still called
once every few months.])
--
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Old January 19th 14, 05:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In ,
J. P. Gilliver (John) typed:
But you would have to first install TB on the XP machine, only to move
it again afterwards.


Why not use Thunderbird Portable? There is no installing and everything
is contained in one folder. I use it all of the time on most of my
machines. Then I sync it from machine to machine. It is really fast when
I use the Backup/Restore functions under SyncBack.

--
Bill
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Centrino Core2 Duo L7400 1.5GHz - 2GB RAM
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition 2005 SP2


 




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