Space reserved for System Restore files

Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore
was 15% of the hard drive size.

I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system,
especially since W10 has System Restore off as the default. But I've
found none.

Looking for thoughts and suggestions.



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On 2/29/2016 9:20 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore
was 15% of the hard drive size.

I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system,
especially since W10 has System Restore off as the default. But I've
found none.

Looking for thoughts and suggestions.




I leave mine set at 15%, which seems to give me plenty of restore
points, Too old points are not of much value anyway.

Regards, Rene

Ken Springer wrote:
Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore
was 15% of the hard drive size.

I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system,
especially since W10 has System Restore off as the default. But I've
found none.

Looking for thoughts and suggestions.



SR is off the default in Win10.
The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on
the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released
this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update.

i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and
every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points
and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before
creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and
o/s partitions).


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Ken Springer wrote:
Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore was 15% of the
hard drive size.

I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system, especially since W10
has System Restore off as the default. But I've found none.

Looking for thoughts and suggestions.

Depends on how many rest pts you want.
As Rene said, old ones are not much value.
I usually keep 10 known good ones and delete the rest.

The fun machine 7/64 is set to 5% (23gb) of 465gb. C only.
It has 8 points and using 19 gb of 23g = 2.4 gb each.
This machine has between 2 and 5 drives and lots of interesting programs.

The work machine 7/64 is set to 21% (59gb of 287g. C only.
It has 31 restore points because I forget to delete 21.
Way too much %. Need to cut down to around 10%.
It is using 55gb of 59g max = 1.8g each.
It is only for business, MS software, data analysis software, etc.
One drive only + dvdr.

On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
SR is off the default in Win10.
The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on
the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released
this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update.

i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and
every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points
and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before
creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and
o/s partitions).

So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that
screws up their system (again), and then what???

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=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?= dumbassed this one:

SR is off the default in Win10.

WRONG! And yet again, you don't even know what you're talking about.
You continue to prove how irrelevant you are. You are the MVP of dumbass.

My Windows 10 Pro defaulted to SR turned OFF - on ALL drives!

For anyone else :

Bring up System Properties by right-clicking on This PC and click
Properties...

System Properties | System Protection | [choose desired button]

I prefer to use an image backup system, but some may like the SR.

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Bucky Breeder wrote:
=?UTF-8?Q?...winston=e2=80=ab?= dumbassed this one:

SR is off the default in Win10.

WRONG!
My Windows 10 Pro defaulted to SR turned OFF - on ALL drives!


Having trouble reading
SR is 'off' **the default in Win10**

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Neil wrote:
On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
SR is off the default in Win10.
The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on
the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released
this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update.

i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and
every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points
and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before
creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and
o/s partitions).

So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that
screws up their system (again), and then what???

The SR point is of no value after a major update(the version and build
are new)
- restore using a user created image or the Win10 Recovery
options(Reset, Advanced, or Go back to an earlier build)

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msft mvp windows experience

On 3/1/2016 2:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Neil wrote:
On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
SR is off the default in Win10.
The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on
the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released
this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update.

i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and
every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points
and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before
creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and
o/s partitions).

So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that
screws up their system (again), and then what???

The SR point is of no value after a major update(the version and build
are new)
- restore using a user created image or the Win10 Recovery
options(Reset, Advanced, or Go back to an earlier build)

Interesting. "System Restore" and "Go back to an earlier build" seems
semantically identical to me. What is being "restored" if it isn't the OS?

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Best regards,

Neil

Neil wrote:
On 3/1/2016 2:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Neil wrote:
On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
SR is off the default in Win10.
The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s
updates[currently on
the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released
this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update.

i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and
every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR
points
and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before
creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image
and
o/s partitions).

So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that
screws up their system (again), and then what???

The SR point is of no value after a major update(the version and build
are new)
- restore using a user created image or the Win10 Recovery
options(Reset, Advanced, or Go back to an earlier build)

Interesting. "System Restore" and "Go back to an earlier build" seems
semantically identical to me. What is being "restored" if it isn't the OS?


System Restore keeps 3GB (or more) of files in System Volume Information folder.
It keeps deltas for a wide range of areas of the partition.

The "revert" capability of a Windows OS Upgrade install, relies
on 20GB (the entire Windows folder) stored as C:\Windows.old .
It's not nearly the same mechanism, and doesn't have nearly
the same coverage. An OS Upgrade installer can mess with stuff
outside C:\Windows , to the detriment of the user.

If an OS Upgrade were tracked by System Restore, the SVI folder
would need to hold 20GB of stuff. The time to revert, would
be quite quite long, longer than renaming C:\Windows.old to
C:\Windows.

One difference is, System Restore would fix some Program Files
damage, whereas a Windows OS Upgrade doesn't track what it
has done to the Program Files folder, and makes no attempt
to undo the damage it caused there.

Paul

Neil wrote:
On 3/1/2016 2:51 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
Neil wrote:
On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
SR is off the default in Win10.
The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s
updates[currently on
the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released
this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update.

i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and
every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR
points
and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before
creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image
and
o/s partitions).

So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that
screws up their system (again), and then what???

The SR point is of no value after a major update(the version and build
are new)
- restore using a user created image or the Win10 Recovery
options(Reset, Advanced, or Go back to an earlier build)

Interesting. "System Restore" and "Go back to an earlier build" seems
semantically identical to me. What is being "restored" if it isn't the OS?

System Restore
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...restore-change

Go back to an earlier build returns 'everything' to the condition that
existed prior to the major o/s upgrade.

As other's have noted, if a need to GoBack is warranted the safer route
would always be to use an image created prior to the upgrade using the
Windows included tools or 3rd party imaging software(Acronis True Image
2016, Macrium Reflect or another 3rd party tool). If you've not created
an image, now would be a good time to investigate the available tools(in
Windows or 3rd party ware).

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In message , Ken Springer
writes:
Back in the XP days, the amount of recommended space for System Restore
was 15% of the hard drive size.

I've been looking for some similar recommendations for newer system,
especially since W10 has System Restore off as the default. But I've
found none.

Looking for thoughts and suggestions.

I've never understood the percentage rules-of-thumb. To me, such things
use an absolute amount of space (gradually growing with time), not a
percentage of whatever disc size you (or the manufacturer) chose to
provide.

In a similar way, I never understood (this is going back several OS
versions, possibly even to 3.1!) the adage of always setting a page file
size (I think that's what it was) a fixed multiple (e. g. 3) of the
amount of RAM you've got. As I saw it, if you had _more_ RAM, you needed
_less_ page file, except for when you had a very small amount.

So I'd find how much space a restore takes (see how much disc you have
free, make a restore point, do the sums), then decide how many you want,
make some allowance for gradual growth/bloat, and reserve that much
space - not a percentage.

(Or will 7 and 10 only let you set a percentage not an absolute amount?)
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

In a similar way, I never understood (this is going back several OS
versions, possibly even to 3.1!) the adage of always setting a page file
size (I think that's what it was) a fixed multiple (e. g. 3) of the
amount of RAM you've got. As I saw it, if you had _more_ RAM, you needed
_less_ page file, except for when you had a very small amount.

The old 2:1 ratio used to be a mantra a long time ago.

And even back then, you couldn't trace the advice given,
to some published article or something. It was just
coffee table chat that got passed around.

The practice is all over the map now. People are using
their actual experience, to set a value.

*******

I did resort to using a huge pagefile for a week long
calculation - I did it, because I had a lot to lose,
if the calculation crashed before completion. The max
pagefile usage extended to about 25% of my huge allocation.
I turned it all the way down, later...

Paul

Neil wrote:
On 2/29/2016 11:23 PM, ...winston‫ wrote:
SR is off the default in Win10.
The primary reason - with Win10 providing major o/s updates[currently on
the second update(aka 1511)with the 3rd(16xx)expected to be released
this summer]any prior SR point becomes useless after an o/s update.

i.e. if enabling System Restore make a note to reset it after each and
every major update. In fact, it may be appropriate to wipe all SR points
and disable prior to installing a major Win10 update and only before
creating an image of the System and Boot Volume(Win10's System Image and
o/s partitions).

So... one wipes all SR points, installs the major Win10 update that screws up their system
(again), and then what???

SR's won't be of any value since they would not apply to what is effectively a new O/S.
Clone or image prior to major upgrades.