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Well.....I did run 3 different virus scans with the System Restore off prior
to the many replies (I wanted to get this resolved as quickly as possible and
was a little impatient). Not on of these scans showed any problems. I
googled "whataboutadog" and ran a scan from Paratologic and that showed
Trojans and several severe problems. Why doesn't the regular anti virus
scans pick up on this?

"Unknown" wrote:

But, you don't know if a week old backup is corrupt and you don't know if
the infection will cause you to lose your hand.
I.E. Don't act till you're sure. (don't be rash).
"George" wrote in message
...

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:27:27 -0400, "George" wrote:


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:18:48 -0400, "George" wrote:

Becky,

Whenever you get infected with a bug you should always turn off
Sytsem
Restore to get rid of any bugs inside of those files and then once
you do
that just simply turn it back on.


I strongly disagree with that advice. For the future, note three
things:

1. An infection in a restore point is completely innocuous *unless*
you restore to that restore point.

Yes, you should try to guess which one is infected that will work.

2. If you turn off System Restore, you lose *all* restore points, not
just the infected one, and it's possible that you may want or need to
restore to a restore point created before becoming infected.

How do you know which one is infected?


If you know that your virus problems started last Wednesday, the
restore points from Monday or before are safe to use.




3. You may even sometimes need to restore to an infected restore
point. Although that's not normally desirable, it can at least give
you the opportunity to remove the infection; without the restore
point, you may have no options at all. As others have said, a leaky
boat is better than no boat at all.

A boat with a leak eventually SINKS!


You miss the point entirely. Having a boat with a leak is better than
no boat at all. Having time to fix the leak is far better than
drowning immediately.

It is foolhardy to discard a restore point that *may* be able to help
you, especially when there's no danger in keeping it. There's plenty
of time to discard it later, *after* the underlying problem has been
solved.



"Becky" wrote in message
...
I ran Trendmicro Housecall and it did not detect a trojan. I was
doing
some
research and found that it is suggested to disable the System
Restore
Utility
as an infected file could be stored in the backup file and a virus
scan
will
not catch it. When I go to disable, a message comes up that all
restore
files will be deleted. This makes me nervous!! Can I get rid of
this
problem if I restore from a date prior to when I noticed this
problem?

I really appreciate your help!

"John John" wrote:

Try another AV program or try an online scan from another AV
vendor.
Try the instructions he
http://www.upgradenrepair.com/softwa...onlinescan.htm

If you have a current Symantec/NAV subscription submit a request
to
them
for assistance.

John

Becky wrote:

Hi John!
I am running Symantec and just did a live update. What's next?

"John John" wrote:


A quick search on the internet reveals this to be added by a
trojan,
run
an up to date antivirus scan on your machine.
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_143361.htm

John

Becky wrote:


Just a curiosity question....everyday when my computer is is
turned
on, in
the internet history there is an unusual site address that
comes
up:
b.whataboutadog (b.whataboutadog.com). If I click on it, I get
a
blank page.
I have no idea what this is. Can anyone tell me?




--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ken,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree as if I had a virus on my system
and I knew it could be hiding in my system somewhere I will remove a few
restore points to do so.

I do understand your point as well!

Unknown,

If I knew my infection in my finger was going to cost me an arm or hand
you better bet I will cut it off!

George

Here's where I'm at...I ran THREE different anti-virus scans (Trend
Housecalls, Symantec & McAfee) and none of them showed anything.
Unfortunately or not, I ran these with the System Restore off. However, I
did run a scan from Partologic.com and that showed a bunch of problems. It
won't fix the problems unless I buy their product. But, my big question
is.... why didn't the the other scans show anything? They were all updated
versions.

"Unknown" wrote:

But, you don't know if a week old backup is corrupt and you don't know if
the infection will cause you to lose your hand.
I.E. Don't act till you're sure. (don't be rash).
"George" wrote in message
...

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:27:27 -0400, "George" wrote:


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:18:48 -0400, "George" wrote:

Becky,

Whenever you get infected with a bug you should always turn off
Sytsem
Restore to get rid of any bugs inside of those files and then once
you do
that just simply turn it back on.


I strongly disagree with that advice. For the future, note three
things:

1. An infection in a restore point is completely innocuous *unless*
you restore to that restore point.

Yes, you should try to guess which one is infected that will work.

2. If you turn off System Restore, you lose *all* restore points, not
just the infected one, and it's possible that you may want or need to
restore to a restore point created before becoming infected.

How do you know which one is infected?


If you know that your virus problems started last Wednesday, the
restore points from Monday or before are safe to use.




3. You may even sometimes need to restore to an infected restore
point. Although that's not normally desirable, it can at least give
you the opportunity to remove the infection; without the restore
point, you may have no options at all. As others have said, a leaky
boat is better than no boat at all.

A boat with a leak eventually SINKS!


You miss the point entirely. Having a boat with a leak is better than
no boat at all. Having time to fix the leak is far better than
drowning immediately.

It is foolhardy to discard a restore point that *may* be able to help
you, especially when there's no danger in keeping it. There's plenty
of time to discard it later, *after* the underlying problem has been
solved.



"Becky" wrote in message
...
I ran Trendmicro Housecall and it did not detect a trojan. I was
doing
some
research and found that it is suggested to disable the System
Restore
Utility
as an infected file could be stored in the backup file and a virus
scan
will
not catch it. When I go to disable, a message comes up that all
restore
files will be deleted. This makes me nervous!! Can I get rid of
this
problem if I restore from a date prior to when I noticed this
problem?

I really appreciate your help!

"John John" wrote:

Try another AV program or try an online scan from another AV
vendor.
Try the instructions he
http://www.upgradenrepair.com/softwa...onlinescan.htm

If you have a current Symantec/NAV subscription submit a request
to
them
for assistance.

John

Becky wrote:

Hi John!
I am running Symantec and just did a live update. What's next?

"John John" wrote:


A quick search on the internet reveals this to be added by a
trojan,
run
an up to date antivirus scan on your machine.
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_143361.htm

John

Becky wrote:


Just a curiosity question....everyday when my computer is is
turned
on, in
the internet history there is an unusual site address that
comes
up:
b.whataboutadog (b.whataboutadog.com). If I click on it, I get
a
blank page.
I have no idea what this is. Can anyone tell me?




--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ken,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree as if I had a virus on my system
and I knew it could be hiding in my system somewhere I will remove a few
restore points to do so.

I do understand your point as well!

Unknown,

If I knew my infection in my finger was going to cost me an arm or hand
you better bet I will cut it off!

George

don't buy it.



"Becky" wrote in message
...
Here's where I'm at...I ran THREE different anti-virus scans (Trend
Housecalls, Symantec & McAfee) and none of them showed anything.
Unfortunately or not, I ran these with the System Restore off. However, I
did run a scan from Partologic.com and that showed a bunch of problems.
It
won't fix the problems unless I buy their product. But, my big question
is.... why didn't the the other scans show anything? They were all
updated
versions.

"Unknown" wrote:

But, you don't know if a week old backup is corrupt and you don't know if
the infection will cause you to lose your hand.
I.E. Don't act till you're sure. (don't be rash).
"George" wrote in message
...

"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:27:27 -0400, "George" wrote:


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:18:48 -0400, "George" wrote:

Becky,

Whenever you get infected with a bug you should always turn off
Sytsem
Restore to get rid of any bugs inside of those files and then once
you do
that just simply turn it back on.


I strongly disagree with that advice. For the future, note three
things:

1. An infection in a restore point is completely innocuous *unless*
you restore to that restore point.

Yes, you should try to guess which one is infected that will work.

2. If you turn off System Restore, you lose *all* restore points,
not
just the infected one, and it's possible that you may want or need
to
restore to a restore point created before becoming infected.

How do you know which one is infected?


If you know that your virus problems started last Wednesday, the
restore points from Monday or before are safe to use.




3. You may even sometimes need to restore to an infected restore
point. Although that's not normally desirable, it can at least give
you the opportunity to remove the infection; without the restore
point, you may have no options at all. As others have said, a leaky
boat is better than no boat at all.

A boat with a leak eventually SINKS!


You miss the point entirely. Having a boat with a leak is better than
no boat at all. Having time to fix the leak is far better than
drowning immediately.

It is foolhardy to discard a restore point that *may* be able to help
you, especially when there's no danger in keeping it. There's plenty
of time to discard it later, *after* the underlying problem has been
solved.



"Becky" wrote in message
...
I ran Trendmicro Housecall and it did not detect a trojan. I was
doing
some
research and found that it is suggested to disable the System
Restore
Utility
as an infected file could be stored in the backup file and a
virus
scan
will
not catch it. When I go to disable, a message comes up that all
restore
files will be deleted. This makes me nervous!! Can I get rid
of
this
problem if I restore from a date prior to when I noticed this
problem?

I really appreciate your help!

"John John" wrote:

Try another AV program or try an online scan from another AV
vendor.
Try the instructions he
http://www.upgradenrepair.com/softwa...onlinescan.htm

If you have a current Symantec/NAV subscription submit a
request
to
them
for assistance.

John

Becky wrote:

Hi John!
I am running Symantec and just did a live update. What's
next?

"John John" wrote:


A quick search on the internet reveals this to be added by a
trojan,
run
an up to date antivirus scan on your machine.
http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_143361.htm

John

Becky wrote:


Just a curiosity question....everyday when my computer is is
turned
on, in
the internet history there is an unusual site address that
comes
up:
b.whataboutadog (b.whataboutadog.com). If I click on it, I
get
a
blank page.
I have no idea what this is. Can anyone tell me?




--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ken,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree as if I had a virus on my
system
and I knew it could be hiding in my system somewhere I will remove a
few
restore points to do so.

I do understand your point as well!

Unknown,

If I knew my infection in my finger was going to cost me an arm or hand
you better bet I will cut it off!

George