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  #61  
Old May 28th 13, 02:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ron Fey wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:17:48 +0800, xfile wrote:

I decided to have all of our company's outgoing documents to be
converted to PDF format first and added a standard line: For your
convenience, we have prepared the document in PDF format so you may view
and edit with any editor of your choice.


I've used a bunch of editors over the years but I don't think I've ever seen
one that can edit pdf files. Can you please name one or two?


They present a silly example here. I don't consider this
to be "real" PDF editing, as it doesn't consider enough of
the capabilities. Apparently Acrobat can access other tools
in the suite, to edit images.

http://www.graphic-design-employment...-edit-pdf.html

Coreldraw is another possibility. The users note some limitations,
right away. Coreldraw has an eval copy, if you actually wanted
to try it out.

http://coreldraw.com/forums/t/8310.aspx

PDF is actually a programming language, and not just "a bunch
of primitives stored in a file". That makes it very hard to
design an editor that hides that fact. A good editor, would
have to recognize programming idioms, in order to insulate the
user from the realities of what is underneath. (Some files
can be virtually un-editable, due to the way the file is
constructed.)

Corel even has a spinoff product. But just based on the price,
a thing like this would probably not be very capable. A capable
editor should be more expensive (just a guess). There are user
reviews here, so you may find out about competing editors, from
the reviews.

http://www.amazon.com/Corel-CPDFF1EN.../dp/B004TKTOWC

There are probably more examples, in the tables near the bottom
of this article. You'd want a tool with both "import PDF" and
"export PDF", to qualify as an "editor". If the tool internally
doesn't preserve the PDF code while working on it, then the
results are likely to be less useful. For example, I could
change a PDF into a pixmap, but you wouldn't want to edit
by chopping up portions of a pixmap. You want the content
to stay in a vector-like format at the very least.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...aphics_editors

Paul
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  #62  
Old May 28th 13, 03:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 5/28/13 2:22 AM, Ron Fey wrote:
On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:17:48 +0800, xfile wrote:

I decided to have all of our company's outgoing documents to be
converted to PDF format first and added a standard line: For your
convenience, we have prepared the document in PDF format so you may view
and edit with any editor of your choice.


I've used a bunch of editors over the years but I don't think I've ever seen
one that can edit pdf files. Can you please name one or two?


It all depends on what you want, but...

If the project was mine, I would not want the PDF modified. I would
have the use the Annotation feature of Adobe Reader and others to tell
me what changes they would like.

That way, when reading a respondent's comments, I have both the original
and the proposed changes hopefully side by side in the same file.


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  #63  
Old May 28th 13, 03:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Tue, 28 May 2013 03:22:50 -0500, Ron Fey
wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:17:48 +0800, xfile wrote:

I decided to have all of our company's outgoing documents to be
converted to PDF format first and added a standard line: For your
convenience, we have prepared the document in PDF format so you may view
and edit with any editor of your choice.


I've used a bunch of editors over the years but I don't think I've ever seen
one that can edit pdf files. Can you please name one or two?



Here are three that spring to mind:

Adobe Acrobat
Foxit Reader
WordPerfect

There are others.


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  #64  
Old May 28th 13, 07:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Tue, 28 May 2013 03:22:50 -0500, Ron Fey
wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2013 20:17:48 +0800, xfile wrote:

I decided to have all of our company's outgoing documents to be
converted to PDF format first and added a standard line: For your
convenience, we have prepared the document in PDF format so you may view
and edit with any editor of your choice.

I've used a bunch of editors over the years but I don't think I've ever seen
one that can edit pdf files. Can you please name one or two?



Here are three that spring to mind:

Adobe Acrobat
Foxit Reader
WordPerfect

There are others.


If you're referring to the ability to just change text,
that in my mind is not a full editor. A true editor, is
quite a different animal. A true editor can deal with
anything, such as putting text along a spiral path,
drawing textured geometric shapes, being able to group
objects, or see order in a document, that did not
originally exist.

Because PDF is a programming language, it is difficult
to deal with the contents in an entirely satisfactory
manner.

PostScript is the precursor to PDF, and the best editor
I had there was Tailor for Mac. It did a decent job,
but still left you exposed to the infinite possibilities
of the PostScript language. There were still some editing
jobs, that took entirely too long, because the tool
could not organize the data in a useful way (too many
polygons all floating in space).

*******

If you want a test, try using LibreOffice, enter a
string of text that has a ligature (pair of letters
with tight spacing). For example, the two letters in
the picture in this article, can be expressed in
LibreOffice as a ligature. When LibreOffice saves
to a PDF file, those are output as a line segment
set of special glyphs (i.e. crude approximation
of letters). Now, feed that to your PDF editor.
Can you select those letters ? Yes ? No ? Maybe ?
I bet what happens, is the two close together letters,
turn into a sticky mess of line segment approximations
of the letters "Fl". And that's all because the tool
did not emit a regular font, with ligatures encoded
in the font in the regular way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographic_ligature

For another test subject to edit, try this one.
It's not particularly difficult for an editor
to deal with this. This sample PDF is special, in
that the contents start life as a computer program.
This is not the "printed output" of some document.
It's an actual computer program, then passed through
distiller.

http://ecee.colorado.edu/~kuester/smith/smith.pdf

(Source - change extension to .txt and read how
they did it, in Notepad. As far as I know, the PDF
version is just a distillation of the PostScript source.)

http://ecee.colorado.edu/~kuester/smith/smith.ps

Now, your editor has to deal with crap like that.
The editor will have a hard time, dealing with the
entire spectrum of information sources, like hand
crafted code. The visual output of a PDF program,
is a side effect of a computer program running. What
a good editor will do, is recognize some programming
idioms, and do a better job of allowing you to select
elements in the document. A bad editor, leaves you
to deal with the complexity, on your own (select
one item at a time).

Paul
  #65  
Old May 29th 13, 03:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 08/05/13 10:28, mac wrote:

"usenetopian" wrote in message
...
This has been asked before but I forget the answers given (sorry)

can anyone recommend a great Start button replacement for Windows 8?

Thanks in advance


Hang on a while?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/li...-29249953.html


Windows 8: Microsoft announces 'biggest product U-turn since New Coke'.

mac



There is nothing wrong with the metro interface. If people had a degree
of intelligence or the play fullness of a child they might see the
benefits of the metro interface.

It's the incompetence of people that is the problem. They are like
religious fanatics. Unable or don't want to try some thing new.

The metro interface is nothing more than a full screen start menu and if
people can't see that tough ****.

What happens when you put the mouse in the bottom left hand corner of win 8?
What happens when you put the mouse in the bottom left hand corner of win 7?

answer the same thing.

From a physiological point of view the metro interface has been an
enlightening exercise.



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Old May 29th 13, 09:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 5/29/13 8:33 AM, Darklight wrote:
On 08/05/13 10:28, mac wrote:

"usenetopian" wrote in message
...
This has been asked before but I forget the answers given (sorry)

can anyone recommend a great Start button replacement for Windows 8?

Thanks in advance


Hang on a while?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/li...-29249953.html


Windows 8: Microsoft announces 'biggest product U-turn since New Coke'.

mac



There is nothing wrong with the metro interface. If people had a degree
of intelligence or the play fullness of a child they might see the
benefits of the metro interface.


It's not intelligence, it's knowledge and education that is missing from
the average computer user. Most adults have outgrown the 2-3 year old
mindset. And I suspect, many are so afraid of "screwing it up", they
aren't interested in experimenting, having some idea of what it would
cost to pay someone to fix it for them.

It's the incompetence of people that is the problem. They are like
religious fanatics. Unable or don't want to try some thing new.


"Incompetence" is knowing how to do something, but being incapable of
doing it.

in·com·pe·tence
[in-kom-pi-tuhns] Show IPA
noun
1. the quality or condition of being incompetent; lack of ability.

It's not user's lack of ability, most of us have our fingers and hands.
It lack of knowledge of what and how to use those fingers and hands
when using a computer.

The metro interface is nothing more than a full screen start menu and if
people can't see that tough ****.


You assume everyone sees the same thing. But they don't. There's
nothing in their past experiences with computers that initiates that
"spark" where they say "What if I...?"

This is no different that the GUI wars of old, with the arguments that
my GUI is the perfect GUI, and everyone will find it intuitive. Which
they didn't.

What happens when you put the mouse in the bottom left hand corner of win 8?
What happens when you put the mouse in the bottom left hand corner of win 7?

answer the same thing.


From my perspective, who cares? With the right graphics card and
software/drivers, you can make the corners and sides do just about
anything you want.

From a physiological point of view the metro interface has been an
enlightening exercise.


I don't want the computer screen to be my phys. ed. program. LOL

I was playing with a big touchscreen monitor in a store today, found it
to be a general PITA, especially since I know a mouse and/or keyboard
shortcuts are far faster and more efficient.

OTOH, on a smartphone, tablet, and possibly a laptop with a small
screen, Metro and other touchscreen UI's are probably better, as long as
the user has small enough fingers. grin

I may have read your post wrong, but you sound like someone that doesn't
want to accept there are users who find the Metro UI limiting,
cumbersome, and slow to use. I know I don't particularly care for the
Win 8 desktop options either. When I get Win8 running on real hardware,
not a VM, I will search out 3rd party utilities to customize the
computer to work the way I want it to, not the way MS or Apple has set
things up.


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Old May 29th 13, 11:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ken Springer wrote:

I was playing with a big touchscreen monitor in a store today, found it
to be a general PITA, especially since I know a mouse and/or keyboard
shortcuts are far faster and more efficient.


I recently bought a new W8 touchscreen laptop. I find that I continue
to use my old ways but for perhaps a different reason than most. I
find it easier to use the mouse/keyboard shortcuts than to clean the
damn screen of fingerprints every day... :-/

there are users who find the Metro UI limiting,
cumbersome, and slow to use.


I didn't find it hard to get used to the Metro UI. But so far I don't
care much for the MS store apps I've tried. And I've found the web
versions of many to be much better. Time may change this.

I know I don't particularly care for the
Win 8 desktop options either.


Biggest desktop thing I miss is the start button. But I guess that's
everybody's complaint.

When I get Win8 running on real hardware,
not a VM, I will search out 3rd party utilities to customize the
computer to work the way I want it to, not the way MS or Apple has set
things up.


There's lots of 3rd party stuff out there already. But I wanted to
learn to use the UI as it is for awhile. Later we'll see...
  #68  
Old May 30th 13, 12:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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You only have to watch the "Surface" UK, TV adverts to see who this OS is
aimed at, 5 to 7 year olds?

mac

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Old May 30th 13, 02:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 5/29/13 4:17 PM, AL wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:

I was playing with a big touchscreen monitor in a store today, found it
to be a general PITA, especially since I know a mouse and/or keyboard
shortcuts are far faster and more efficient.


I recently bought a new W8 touchscreen laptop. I find that I continue
to use my old ways but for perhaps a different reason than most. I
find it easier to use the mouse/keyboard shortcuts than to clean the
damn screen of fingerprints every day... :-/

there are users who find the Metro UI limiting,
cumbersome, and slow to use.


I didn't find it hard to get used to the Metro UI. But so far I don't
care much for the MS store apps I've tried. And I've found the web
versions of many to be much better. Time may change this.

I know I don't particularly care for the
Win 8 desktop options either.


Biggest desktop thing I miss is the start button. But I guess that's
everybody's complaint.


There's at least 20 different Start button replacements out there for
both Win 7 and Win 8. Not to mention the Quick Launch bar replacements.

When I get Win8 running on real hardware,
not a VM, I will search out 3rd party utilities to customize the
computer to work the way I want it to, not the way MS or Apple has set
things up.


There's lots of 3rd party stuff out there already. But I wanted to
learn to use the UI as it is for awhile. Later we'll see...


Which is why my VM installs will remain "native", the only customization
I'll have there is what's available from withing the OS itself. No 3rd
party stuff.


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  #70  
Old May 30th 13, 05:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Ken Springer wrote:

On 5/29/13 4:17 PM, AL wrote:


Biggest desktop thing I miss is the start button. But I guess that's
everybody's complaint.


There's at least 20 different Start button replacements out there for
both Win 7 and Win 8. Not to mention the Quick Launch bar replacements.


True. But as I said I'm avoiding the 3rd party stuff to get used to
using W8 as it currently exists. And though I originally missed the
Start button, it's not so much now. For example Win + Q and then Esc
gets me quickly to the Apps screen. And I especially like the menu
that comes up when right clicking the lower left screen corner. I may
even come to like the OS in time... 8-O



When I get Win8 running on real hardware,
not a VM, I will search out 3rd party utilities to customize the
computer to work the way I want it to, not the way MS or Apple has set
things up.


There's lots of 3rd party stuff out there already. But I wanted to
learn to use the UI as it is for awhile. Later we'll see...


Which is why my VM installs will remain "native", the only customization
I'll have there is what's available from withing the OS itself. No 3rd
party stuff.


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Old May 30th 13, 09:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 5/30/2013 04:03, Ken Springer wrote:
On 5/29/13 8:33 AM, Darklight wrote:
On 08/05/13 10:28, mac wrote:

"usenetopian" wrote in message
...
This has been asked before but I forget the answers given (sorry)

can anyone recommend a great Start button replacement for Windows 8?

Thanks in advance

Hang on a while?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/li...-29249953.html



Windows 8: Microsoft announces 'biggest product U-turn since New Coke'.

mac



There is nothing wrong with the metro interface. If people had a degree
of intelligence or the play fullness of a child they might see the
benefits of the metro interface.


It's not intelligence, it's knowledge and education that is missing from
the average computer user. Most adults have outgrown the 2-3 year old
mindset. And I suspect, many are so afraid of "screwing it up", they
aren't interested in experimenting, having some idea of what it would
cost to pay someone to fix it for them.

It's the incompetence of people that is the problem. They are like
religious fanatics. Unable or don't want to try some thing new.


"Incompetence" is knowing how to do something, but being incapable of
doing it.

in·com·pe·tence
[in-kom-pi-tuhns] Show IPA
noun
1. the quality or condition of being incompetent; lack of ability.

It's not user's lack of ability, most of us have our fingers and hands.
It lack of knowledge of what and how to use those fingers and hands
when using a computer.

The metro interface is nothing more than a full screen start menu and if
people can't see that tough ****.


You assume everyone sees the same thing. But they don't. There's
nothing in their past experiences with computers that initiates that
"spark" where they say "What if I...?"

This is no different that the GUI wars of old, with the arguments that
my GUI is the perfect GUI, and everyone will find it intuitive. Which
they didn't.

What happens when you put the mouse in the bottom left hand corner of
win 8?
What happens when you put the mouse in the bottom left hand corner of
win 7?

answer the same thing.


From my perspective, who cares? With the right graphics card and
software/drivers, you can make the corners and sides do just about
anything you want.

From a physiological point of view the metro interface has been an
enlightening exercise.


I don't want the computer screen to be my phys. ed. program. LOL

I was playing with a big touchscreen monitor in a store today, found it
to be a general PITA, especially since I know a mouse and/or keyboard
shortcuts are far faster and more efficient.

OTOH, on a smartphone, tablet, and possibly a laptop with a small
screen, Metro and other touchscreen UI's are probably better, as long as
the user has small enough fingers. grin

I may have read your post wrong, but you sound like someone that doesn't
want to accept there are users who find the Metro UI limiting,
cumbersome, and slow to use. I know I don't particularly care for the
Win 8 desktop options either. When I get Win8 running on real hardware,
not a VM, I will search out 3rd party utilities to customize the
computer to work the way I want it to, not the way MS or Apple has set
things up.


It's not intelligence, it's knowledge and education that is missing from
the average computer user. Most adults have outgrown the 2-3 year old
mindset. And I suspect, many are so afraid of "screwing it up", they
aren't interested in experimenting, having some idea of what it would
cost to pay someone to fix it for them.


Did it ever occur to you that each experimenting involves cost,
including cost of a person's life and cost of hiring an employee?

You may want to spend any amount of time you wish to learn a new OS
which you are rightfully to do so.

But you should be taught that there are others outside of yourself and
they have the same right as yours to choose how they want to spend their
personal life. Some may want to spend the time on reading, watching
movies, taking care of their families, and so on except on learning a
new OS.

Does that ever occur to you?

And do you realize that every minute an employee spent involving cost
including their salaries, benefits, and bonuses? Employees are NOT
volunteers, you know that, right?

So which is more important in terms of doing their jobs for serving
customers, directly or indirectly, and helping the company making money
(so they can get paid too) or learning a darn new OS for Microsoft?

If you are kind (and rich, of course) enough to pay for all learning
costs for every business for learning the new program, then you are
rightfully to criticize for anyone refuses to do so.

Until then, you have demonstrated yourself as an ignorant person with no
respect to others' choices of how to spend their life and one has zero
knowledge about business costs.

And only sane and educated and rational people would think about how o
put the best use of their "limited time and life."

Like it or not, learning a new OS is at the very bottom of the list.

Not everyone is found of playing computers, and please grow up to learn it.






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Old May 30th 13, 09:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 5/29/2013 22:33, Darklight wrote:
On 08/05/13 10:28, mac wrote:

"usenetopian" wrote in message
...
This has been asked before but I forget the answers given (sorry)

can anyone recommend a great Start button replacement for Windows 8?

Thanks in advance


Hang on a while?

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/li...-29249953.html



Windows 8: Microsoft announces 'biggest product U-turn since New Coke'.

mac



There is nothing wrong with the metro interface. If people had a degree
of intelligence or the play fullness of a child they might see the
benefits of the metro interface.

It's the incompetence of people that is the problem. They are like
religious fanatics. Unable or don't want to try some thing new.

The metro interface is nothing more than a full screen start menu and if
people can't see that tough ****.

What happens when you put the mouse in the bottom left hand corner of
win 8?
What happens when you put the mouse in the bottom left hand corner of
win 7?

answer the same thing.

From a physiological point of view the metro interface has been an
enlightening exercise.




My reply was meant to you,

Did it ever occur to you that each experimenting involves cost,
including cost of a person's life and cost of hiring an employee?

You may want to spend any amount of time you wish to learn a new OS
which you are rightfully to do so.

But you should be taught that there are others outside of yourself and
they have the same right as yours to choose how they want to spend their
personal life. Some may want to spend the time on reading, watching
movies, taking care of their families, and so on except on learning a
new OS.

Does that ever occur to you?

And do you realize that every minute an employee spent involving cost
including their salaries, benefits, and bonuses? Employees are NOT
volunteers, you know that, right?

So which is more important in terms of doing their jobs for serving
customers, directly or indirectly, and helping the company making money
(so they can get paid too) or learning a darn new OS for Microsoft?

If you are kind (and rich, of course) enough to pay for all learning
costs for every business for learning the new program, then you are
rightfully to criticize for anyone refuses to do so.

Until then, you have demonstrated yourself as an ignorant person with no
respect to others' choices of how to spend their life and one has zero
knowledge about business costs.

And only sane and educated and rational people would think about how o
put the best use of their "limited time and life."

Like it or not, learning a new OS is at the very bottom of the list.

Not everyone is found of playing computers, and please grow up to learn it.




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Old May 30th 13, 10:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Thu, 30 May 2013 16:18:29 +0800, xfile wrote:

So which is more important in terms of doing their jobs for
serving customers, directly or indirectly, and helping the
company making money (so they can get paid too) or learning a
darn new OS for Microsoft?


You don't believe in training for employees? They're supposed to
arrive fully trained in the latest tools and techniques?
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Old May 30th 13, 11:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 5/30/2013 17:07, mechanic wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2013 16:18:29 +0800, xfile wrote:

So which is more important in terms of doing their jobs for
serving customers, directly or indirectly, and helping the
company making money (so they can get paid too) or learning a
darn new OS for Microsoft?


You don't believe in training for employees? They're supposed to
arrive fully trained in the latest tools and techniques?


I do only if you can provide tangible ROI (Return on Investment) in numbers.

Starting with, how many clicks they spent on finding a file.

If you or Microsoft can provide tangible money-saving and
productivity-increase numbers, we and any sane business managers will be
more than happy to learn and call it a "tool" or "technology" but before
that, it's a toy and hype.

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"AL" wrote in message
...
Ken Springer wrote:

On 5/29/13 4:17 PM, AL wrote:


Biggest desktop thing I miss is the start button. But I guess that's
everybody's complaint.


There's at least 20 different Start button replacements out there for
both Win 7 and Win 8. Not to mention the Quick Launch bar replacements.


True. But as I said I'm avoiding the 3rd party stuff to get used to
using W8 as it currently exists. And though I originally missed the
Start button, it's not so much now. For example Win + Q and then Esc
gets me quickly to the Apps screen. And I especially like the menu
that comes up when right clicking the lower left screen corner. I may
even come to like the OS in time... 8-O



When I get Win8 running on real hardware,
not a VM, I will search out 3rd party utilities to customize the
computer to work the way I want it to, not the way MS or Apple has set
things up.

There's lots of 3rd party stuff out there already. But I wanted to
learn to use the UI as it is for awhile. Later we'll see...


Which is why my VM installs will remain "native", the only customization
I'll have there is what's available from withing the OS itself. No 3rd
party stuff.



(Reply to both Al and Ken)
I could probably get used to the MUI faster if it would allow a
"finger-swipe" using a mouse from anywhere on the screen instead of having
to use the horizontal scroll bar. I recently bought an Asus tablet and can
get around the screens well using my fingers, and a stylus for the fine
work, so when I go back to my Win8 laptop, I try to emulate that swipe with
the mouse, but no joy :-( That one thing for me could possibly convince me
to uninstall StartIsBack and use the native Win8 interface.

Aside to Al- you must not be as OC as I am; I end up cleaning my tablet
screen two or three times per session, even though I make sure my hands are
clean and dry before messing around with it :-)
--
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