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Old January 13th 14, 05:38 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
DianeLeMasson
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Hi

Just got a new computer with windows 8.
I exported my emails/messages into a different email program, not the one
Wins 8 has included. Works fine.
My question is: How do I find them on this computer/hard drive?
I've read through the help, books, anything I can get my hands on, still not
able to.
It's probably right in my face & not seeing it.
Yes I've unhidden files, if I did this correct in 'search' typed *,dbx, .dbx
& dbx,, nothing!!!
In Wins XP it was so simple to do, search files & folders.

Can some kind person please explain the method of finding it or point me in
the right
direction? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Diane



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Old January 13th 14, 06:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 23:38:33 -0500, DianeLeMasson wrote:

I exported my emails/messages into a different email program, not the one
Wins 8 has included. Works fine.
My question is: How do I find them on this computer/hard drive?
I've read through the help, books, anything I can get my hands on, still not
able to.
It's probably right in my face & not seeing it.
Yes I've unhidden files, if I did this correct in 'search' typed *,dbx, .dbx
& dbx,, nothing!!!


Well what is this mysterious email program called? Not all of them use
dbx files!

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Old January 13th 14, 06:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Need Help to Find Files in Wins 8

On 1/12/2014 11:38 PM, DianeLeMasson wrote:
Hi

Just got a new computer with windows 8.
I exported my emails/messages into a different email program, not the one
Wins 8 has included. Works fine.
My question is: How do I find them on this computer/hard drive?
I've read through the help, books, anything I can get my hands on, still not
able to.
It's probably right in my face & not seeing it.
Yes I've unhidden files, if I did this correct in 'search' typed *,dbx, .dbx
& dbx,, nothing!!!
In Wins XP it was so simple to do, search files & folders.

Can some kind person please explain the method of finding it or point me in
the right
direction? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Diane


Windows now uses "federated search". Which is still relatively meaningless,
even to me. It allows mixing searches from all kinds of data stores,
into one search. Like, searching the contents of text files, as
well as searching your email contents.

Windows 8 scans both file names and content, and builds an index.

Now the fun part. The Indexer has a control, that controls where it
builds the index. As a user, you get to enjoy setting up your
search, instead of just using it :-)

In Vista, the search works roughly similar, except they made an
"escape hatch" for the software. If you did a search, and nothing
of interest showed up, there was a button to click, to effectively
"search everywhere". For guys like me, that was a bonus I wasn't
expecting. Because I didn't have to learn anything to (eventually)
find my file.

If you don't build an Index with the Indexer, the search will still
take place. But I don't know if it'll search file contents while
doing so. It's more likely to look at file names in that case. The
search finishes too fast, to have read every single file. That
would take hours. As it is, it takes three hours of full CPU, to
build the index for my small C: drive (~140K files).

*******

OK, that's the fluffy bit over with.

Click the Start thing in the lower left hand corner,
then when the tiles show up, type "Indexing". The first
entry should be "Indexing Options". Click that and
a window will open in the desktop.

http://www.wikihow.com/Change-Indexi...s-in-Windows-8

There is a "Modify" button, so you can modify the areas
that get indexed. The tricky part though, is telling the
stupid thing to index everything.

You can use this article as your "secret decoder ring".
The Indexing Options uses at least one three letter acronym
(CSC), and I didn't have a clue what that was. This article
decodes some of those for you.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/libr...=vs.85%29.aspx

I did the best I could, and my Indexing options still has stuff
in the "Exclude" column.

Paul

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Old January 13th 14, 06:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Beauregard T. Shagnasty
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DianeLeMasson wrote:

Just got a new computer with windows 8.


Hi. How did you get Outlook Express to run in Windows 8?

I exported my emails/messages into a different email program, not the
one Wins 8 has included. Works fine.


It just may help if you were to name that different email program.

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Old January 13th 14, 07:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Need Help to Find Files in Wins 8

DianeLeMasson wrote, On 1/12/2014 11:38 PM:
Hi

Just got a new computer with windows 8.
I exported my emails/messages into a different email program, not the one
Wins 8 has included. Works fine.
My question is: How do I find them on this computer/hard drive?
I've read through the help, books, anything I can get my hands on, still not
able to.
It's probably right in my face & not seeing it.
Yes I've unhidden files, if I did this correct in 'search' typed *,dbx, .dbx
& dbx,, nothing!!!
In Wins XP it was so simple to do, search files & folders.

Can some kind person please explain the method of finding it or point me in
the right
direction? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Diane



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If you copied the entire OE Message Store (including Folders.dbx) and
imported them into another email program (not the Win8 Mail app) which
email program might that be ?

If you imported OE's message store into another program it's unlikely
the files are in dbx format.


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Old January 13th 14, 08:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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On 1/13/2014 12:04 AM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-12 11:38 PM, DianeLeMasson wrote:
Hi

Just got a new computer with windows 8.
I exported my emails/messages into a different email program, not the one
Wins 8 has included. Works fine.
My question is: How do I find them on this computer/hard drive?
I've read through the help, books, anything I can get my hands on, still not
able to.
It's probably right in my face & not seeing it.
Yes I've unhidden files, if I did this correct in 'search' typed *,dbx, .dbx
& dbx,, nothing!!!
In Wins XP it was so simple to do, search files & folders.

Can some kind person please explain the method of finding it or point me in
the right
direction? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Diane


What e-mail program are you using? Different programs store e-mails/messages differently. For example, Thunderbird stores them in two files: Inbox and Inbox.msf, for example.

Also, why do you want to find those files? Can you not read then with the other program?

If might be better if you find a newsgroup that deals with that other program, and ask for help there.

HTH


Well, say it was Outlook Express.

http://email.about.com/od/livemailde... ive_Mail.htm

http://www.insideoe.com/backup/simple.htm

There would be a .dbx file per folder.

*******

To find the actual .dbx file, you can open a command prompt and use
the dir command to list stuff. It's not foolproof, but it's relatively
simple to do. Here, I dump all the filenames that are not "Access Denied"
into a text file for editing/searching. I can use the search within notepad
to find instances of .dbx .

dir /B /S C:\ C:\Users\diane\myfiles.txt
notepad C:\Users\diane\myfiles.txt

*******

You can use a third-party search such as Agent Ransack or Voidtools Everything.
That's more likely to pick up files and not leave stuff behind.

*******

To search the contents of the .dbx files, it's probably
best to import them into a more modern email. Preferably one,
for which a search filter exists on Windows 8. You would then
arrange the old mail folders, as separate folders. And then,
the federated search could pick up the archived folders like
the rest of the new ones.

I have no idea how difficult that would be, but it would help if
you have an .iaf file to control things with.

You could also convert a .dbx into some sort of mbox. Like,
use some tool that creates one text file per email message.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5394607_conv...ress-mbox.html

I wouldn't expect any of these methods to be all that foolproof.

An option would be, to run an older OS inside a Virtual Machine,
and run Outlook Express in there. For example, Sysinternals has
Disk2VHD, to take an entire hard drive, and make it usable
within a virtual machine. You still need a license key and
understand activation issues, to make that really useful. I
was able to take my WinXP installation and get it to boot
within a VM. Just as a proof of concept. Since I was
running WinXP on top of WinXP, it didn't really serve any
purpose as such. Just a test that the disk2vhd tool worked.
This technique is generally called "P2V" for physical to
virtual conversion. And is relatively nerdy (annoying) stuff.
It'll take quite a few tries to get it right.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/ee656415

Paul

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Old January 13th 14, 05:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Keith Nuttle
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Default Need Help to Find Files in Wins 8

On 1/13/2014 10:06 AM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-13 2:00 AM, Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2014 12:04 AM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-12 11:38 PM, DianeLeMasson wrote:
Hi

Just got a new computer with windows 8.
I exported my emails/messages into a different email program, not the
one
Wins 8 has included. Works fine.
My question is: How do I find them on this computer/hard drive?
I've read through the help, books, anything I can get my hands on,
still not
able to.
It's probably right in my face & not seeing it.
Yes I've unhidden files, if I did this correct in 'search' typed
*,dbx, .dbx
& dbx,, nothing!!!
In Wins XP it was so simple to do, search files & folders.

Can some kind person please explain the method of finding it or point
me in
the right
direction? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Diane

What e-mail program are you using? Different programs store
e-mails/messages differently. For example, Thunderbird stores them in
two files: Inbox and Inbox.msf, for example.

Also, why do you want to find those files? Can you not read then with
the other program?

If might be better if you find a newsgroup that deals with that other
program, and ask for help there.

HTH


Well, say it was Outlook Express.

http://email.about.com/od/livemailde... ive_Mail.htm



http://www.insideoe.com/backup/simple.htm

There would be a .dbx file per folder. [Etc]


OP has already searched for *.dbx files. OTOH, she used Outlook Express
to post her request for help. So I'm puzzled as to what she actually
wants to achieve. There should be *.dbx files on her machine, but she
says there aren't any.

It's a puzzlement.


Is she searching in the total computer disk or only those that are made
available by default in Windows 8.

I still have not learned how to get some folder to be seen in Windows 8
let a lone access them to see what is in them
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Old January 13th 14, 08:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 13 Jan 2014, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

To search the contents of the .dbx files, it's probably
best to import them into a more modern email. Preferably one,
for which a search filter exists on Windows 8. You would then
arrange the old mail folders, as separate folders. And then,
the federated search could pick up the archived folders like
the rest of the new ones.


Thunderbird will do that.

I just went through a similar exercise a couple of days ago. I was
setting up a Windows 8 computer for a friend whose XP computer died. I
pointed Thunderbird to the old .dbx files, and it imported them
gracefully. I was even offered the choice to have Windows search
catalog the newly made Thunderbird folders.

There's a Thunderbird extension (ImportExportTools) that supposedly is
more flexible. I haven't tried it.
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Old January 13th 14, 08:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 1/13/2014 1:06 PM, Nil wrote:
Thunderbird will do that.

I just went through a similar exercise a couple of days ago. I was
setting up a Windows 8 computer for a friend whose XP computer died. I
pointed Thunderbird to the old .dbx files, and it imported them
gracefully. I was even offered the choice to have Windows search
catalog the newly made Thunderbird folders.

There's a Thunderbird extension (ImportExportTools) that supposedly is
more flexible. I haven't tried it.


Thunderbird search is so dang slow, I hate it! Outlook Express is super
fast. As it was designed for 75 MHz Pentiums with 32 MB of RAM. And just
composing a post with TB is just so slow. I have to compose this in a
text editor or something first, as it would take much longer under TB.

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Old January 13th 14, 08:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:06:16 -0500, Wolf Kirchmeir
wrote:

On 2014-01-13 2:00 AM, Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2014 12:04 AM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-12 11:38 PM, DianeLeMasson wrote:
Hi

Just got a new computer with windows 8.
I exported my emails/messages into a different email program, not the
one
Wins 8 has included. Works fine.
My question is: How do I find them on this computer/hard drive?
I've read through the help, books, anything I can get my hands on,
still not
able to.
It's probably right in my face & not seeing it.
Yes I've unhidden files, if I did this correct in 'search' typed
*,dbx, .dbx
& dbx,, nothing!!!
In Wins XP it was so simple to do, search files & folders.

Can some kind person please explain the method of finding it or point
me in
the right
direction? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Diane

What e-mail program are you using? Different programs store
e-mails/messages differently. For example, Thunderbird stores them in
two files: Inbox and Inbox.msf, for example.

Also, why do you want to find those files? Can you not read then with
the other program?

If might be better if you find a newsgroup that deals with that other
program, and ask for help there.

HTH


Well, say it was Outlook Express.

http://email.about.com/od/livemailde... ive_Mail.htm


http://www.insideoe.com/backup/simple.htm

There would be a .dbx file per folder. [Etc]


OP has already searched for *.dbx files. OTOH, she used Outlook Express
to post her request for help. So I'm puzzled as to what she actually
wants to achieve. There should be *.dbx files on her machine, but she
says there aren't any.



She clearly used some other machine to post her message here, since
Outlook Express won't run under Windows 8. And that's why she can't
find any .dbx files on the Windows 8 machine.

So Diane, as others have asked, please tell us what e-mail program you
are using.

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Old January 13th 14, 09:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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BillW50 wrote:
On 1/13/2014 1:06 PM, Nil wrote:
Thunderbird will do that.

I just went through a similar exercise a couple of days ago. I was
setting up a Windows 8 computer for a friend whose XP computer died. I
pointed Thunderbird to the old .dbx files, and it imported them
gracefully. I was even offered the choice to have Windows search
catalog the newly made Thunderbird folders.

There's a Thunderbird extension (ImportExportTools) that supposedly is
more flexible. I haven't tried it.


Thunderbird search is so dang slow, I hate it! Outlook Express is super
fast. As it was designed for 75 MHz Pentiums with 32 MB of RAM. And just
composing a post with TB is just so slow. I have to compose this in a
text editor or something first, as it would take much longer under TB.


Try using the latest version of TB. My TB, or Seamonkey, is quite fast.

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Old January 13th 14, 09:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 1/13/2014 2:14 PM, BillW50 wrote:
On 1/13/2014 1:06 PM, Nil wrote:
Thunderbird will do that.

I just went through a similar exercise a couple of days ago. I was
setting up a Windows 8 computer for a friend whose XP computer died. I
pointed Thunderbird to the old .dbx files, and it imported them
gracefully. I was even offered the choice to have Windows search
catalog the newly made Thunderbird folders.

There's a Thunderbird extension (ImportExportTools) that supposedly is
more flexible. I haven't tried it.


Thunderbird search is so dang slow, I hate it! Outlook Express is super fast. As it was designed for 75 MHz Pentiums with 32 MB of RAM. And just composing a post with TB is just so slow. I have to compose this in a text editor or something first, as it would take much longer under TB.


But Outlook Express won't run on Windows 8, due to the non-monolithic implementation.
It uses browser engine (IEHTML or similar), it uses COM or something.
It uses bits and pieces of things. When a new OS comes along, all they
have to do is remove some of those old interfaces... and you're screwed.

And "dragging over all the DLLs" won't work either. I rely on
the hacking community, and no one having done it (so far), as
the only vague proof.

If Outlook Express had been a single executable, with all the functions
contained inside it, it would have been so portable, it
"just would have worked". Microsoft doesn't make software that way.
Too "easy". Only their Sysinternals guy, knows how to write good software :-)

Paul

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Old January 13th 14, 09:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 13 Jan 2014, Paul wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

But Outlook Express won't run on Windows 8, due to the
non-monolithic implementation. It uses browser engine (IEHTML or
similar), it uses COM or something. It uses bits and pieces of
things. When a new OS comes along, all they have to do is remove
some of those old interfaces... and you're screwed.


Maybe we're all talking about different things, but I'm referring to
moving old OE dbx files into a new environment. OE doesn't work in
Win8, but I was pleased to find that all T-bird needed was the dbx
files. I happily slurped them right in, no muss no fuss. I had read
about other convoluted methods of getting old mail out of OE, many of
those methods required having a running version of OE. Apparently this
has changed and recent versions of T-bird just need the actual mail
files - OE itself isn't required.
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Old January 13th 14, 09:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 13 Jan 2014, BillW50 wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Thunderbird search is so dang slow, I hate it! Outlook Express is
super fast. As it was designed for 75 MHz Pentiums with 32 MB of
RAM. And just composing a post with TB is just so slow. I have to
compose this in a text editor or something first, as it would take
much longer under TB.


Well, that's nice to know, I guess, even though that's not my
experience. However, it's irrelevant to what I posted. I was talking
about Windows's search, not Thunderbird's.
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Old January 13th 14, 09:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Wolf Kirchmeir wrote, On 1/13/2014 10:06 AM:
On 2014-01-13 2:00 AM, Paul wrote:
On 1/13/2014 12:04 AM, Wolf Kirchmeir wrote:
On 2014-01-12 11:38 PM, DianeLeMasson wrote:
Hi

Just got a new computer with windows 8.
I exported my emails/messages into a different email program, not the
one
Wins 8 has included. Works fine.
My question is: How do I find them on this computer/hard drive?
I've read through the help, books, anything I can get my hands on,
still not
able to.
It's probably right in my face & not seeing it.
Yes I've unhidden files, if I did this correct in 'search' typed
*,dbx, .dbx
& dbx,, nothing!!!
In Wins XP it was so simple to do, search files & folders.

Can some kind person please explain the method of finding it or point
me in
the right
direction? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

Diane

What e-mail program are you using? Different programs store
e-mails/messages differently. For example, Thunderbird stores them in
two files: Inbox and Inbox.msf, for example.

Also, why do you want to find those files? Can you not read then with
the other program?

If might be better if you find a newsgroup that deals with that other
program, and ask for help there.

HTH


Well, say it was Outlook Express.

http://email.about.com/od/livemailde... ive_Mail.htm



http://www.insideoe.com/backup/simple.htm

There would be a .dbx file per folder. [Etc]


OP has already searched for *.dbx files. OTOH, she used Outlook Express
to post her request for help. So I'm puzzled as to what she actually
wants to achieve. There should be *.dbx files on her machine, but she
says there aren't any.

It's a puzzlement.


Apparently these are the givens

- The op is looking for dbx files in Win8.
- OE (dbx) emails were exported into another email program (if export is
the correct term then that could only occur on the XP system)
- Dbx files would not be present on Win8 unless the OE message store was
'copied' to the Win8 machine
- emails exported from OE to another mail client can only be exported to
Outlook or Exchange - OE's sole export options - and would require the
installed presence of Outlook or Exchange application software including
a default Outlook/Exchange profile and pst file.
- if the emails were imported by another email client they would not be
in dbx format.

Thus the only route for dbx files to exist on Win8 would be via a copy
to Win8 or copied to some available networked/external drive.



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