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  #16  
Old October 18th 14, 02:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/18/2014 08:26 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:37:04 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:

Absolutely. Windows 10 is not a shred better than 8.1 - except, when you
find it, it has a "shutdown" button. That being said, with Classic Shell
added it can be turned into a usable system, and it works fine once you
have spent quite some time doing that.


Agreed, but it shouldn't need anything extra to turn it into a usable
system. If I've paid my money for something I expect it to be usable
as it is. Like the previous version, and the one before that, so we
know they can do it...

Rod.


One of my daughters just got a new ASUS which already had Classic Shell
installed. All she had to do is change some of the settings.

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  #17  
Old October 18th 14, 02:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/18/2014 06:42 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
philo wrote:
On 10/17/2014 05:51 PM, Neil wrote:
I noticed that there are a number of new tablets from 7-10" starting
below $100US. Looks like the Metro UI gamble may start to make some
money for MS?




Even though I do not care for the Metro interface on a PC.
A friend of mine did pick up a Win8 tablet and it seems to be pretty
nice.


My biggest complaint with Win8 is simply that I thought it should have
defaulted to Metro on a touch screen device...and Classic on a
non-touch screen device.

I take it that you didn't install Win8.1? I had to go through a good bit of
re-configuring to get my notebook to boot to Metro again after that
installation.


For my self...I'm not a Windows user at all...but need to keep current
so I can support people who do.

I have win8 installed in a virtual machine just so I can play with it...

also doing an evaluation of Windows 10 ...it looks pretty good so far.
  #18  
Old October 18th 14, 02:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/18/2014 08:12 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/18/2014 07:42 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
philo wrote:
On 10/17/2014 05:51 PM, Neil wrote:
I noticed that there are a number of new tablets from 7-10" starting
below $100US. Looks like the Metro UI gamble may start to make some
money for MS?




Even though I do not care for the Metro interface on a PC.
A friend of mine did pick up a Win8 tablet and it seems to be pretty
nice.


My biggest complaint with Win8 is simply that I thought it should have
defaulted to Metro on a touch screen device...and Classic on a
non-touch screen device.

I take it that you didn't install Win8.1? I had to go through a good
bit of
re-configuring to get my notebook to boot to Metro again after that
installation.


The 8.1 installs that I have seen default to the Metro side not the
desktop.




That's correct and exactly the reason I think Microsoft got it wrong.

Too many people just knows computers by rote and to even figure out how
to switch from Metro to Classic is beyond their capability.
  #19  
Old October 18th 14, 02:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/18/2014 07:36 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 03:50:27 -0500, philo wrote:


My biggest complaint with Win8 is simply that I thought it should have
defaulted to Metro on a touch screen device...and Classic on a non-touch
screen device.


Or use different systems for different devices perhaps? My desktop
computer uses Windows 7 and my phone uses a completely different
operating system called Android. This causes me no problems
whatsoever, so why do they think they need to solve one?

They seem to be chasing a kind of holy grail of one operating system
that will work on all computing devices regardless of shape, size,
function or battery capacity. This immediately suggests that if they
achieve anything close, it's bound to be a compromise, and nobody
seems to have established if this is a holy grail that anybody
actually wants.

Rod.




Yep.
  #20  
Old October 18th 14, 02:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 18/10/2014 1:26 PM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:37:04 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:

Absolutely. Windows 10 is not a shred better than 8.1 - except, when you
find it, it has a "shutdown" button. That being said, with Classic Shell
added it can be turned into a usable system, and it works fine once you
have spent quite some time doing that.


Agreed, but it shouldn't need anything extra to turn it into a usable
system. If I've paid my money for something I expect it to be usable
as it is. Like the previous version, and the one before that, so we
know they can do it...

Rod.


Certainly. For what you have to pay for Windows, it should work "first
rattle out of the box".

--
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  #21  
Old October 18th 14, 02:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/18/14 7:23 AM, philo wrote:
On 10/18/2014 08:12 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/18/2014 07:42 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
philo wrote:
On 10/17/2014 05:51 PM, Neil wrote:
I noticed that there are a number of new tablets from 7-10" starting
below $100US. Looks like the Metro UI gamble may start to make some
money for MS?




Even though I do not care for the Metro interface on a PC.
A friend of mine did pick up a Win8 tablet and it seems to be pretty
nice.


My biggest complaint with Win8 is simply that I thought it should have
defaulted to Metro on a touch screen device...and Classic on a
non-touch screen device.

I take it that you didn't install Win8.1? I had to go through a good
bit of
re-configuring to get my notebook to boot to Metro again after that
installation.


The 8.1 installs that I have seen default to the Metro side not the
desktop.




That's correct and exactly the reason I think Microsoft got it wrong.

Too many people just knows computers by rote and to even figure out how
to switch from Metro to Classic is beyond their capability.


I upgraded to 8.1 from 8.0, and it defaulted to the desktop, not Metro.
I think I read somewhere that 8.1 checks to see if you have a touch
screen. If so, it defaults to Metro. If not, it defaults to the desktop.


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  #22  
Old October 18th 14, 02:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/18/2014 09:39 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/18/14 7:23 AM, philo wrote:
On 10/18/2014 08:12 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/18/2014 07:42 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
philo wrote:
On 10/17/2014 05:51 PM, Neil wrote:
I noticed that there are a number of new tablets from 7-10" starting
below $100US. Looks like the Metro UI gamble may start to make some
money for MS?




Even though I do not care for the Metro interface on a PC.
A friend of mine did pick up a Win8 tablet and it seems to be pretty
nice.


My biggest complaint with Win8 is simply that I thought it should have
defaulted to Metro on a touch screen device...and Classic on a
non-touch screen device.

I take it that you didn't install Win8.1? I had to go through a good
bit of
re-configuring to get my notebook to boot to Metro again after that
installation.


The 8.1 installs that I have seen default to the Metro side not the
desktop.




That's correct and exactly the reason I think Microsoft got it wrong.

Too many people just knows computers by rote and to even figure out how
to switch from Metro to Classic is beyond their capability.


I upgraded to 8.1 from 8.0, and it defaulted to the desktop, not Metro.
I think I read somewhere that 8.1 checks to see if you have a touch
screen. If so, it defaults to Metro. If not, it defaults to the desktop.



Not true. 8.1 defaults to the Metro side even if you don't have a touch
screen. I have helped with ones that upgraded to 8.1 and ones that
bought computers with 8.1 installed both defaulted to Metro, no touch
screens.

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  #23  
Old October 18th 14, 02:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Ken Springer[_2_]
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On 10/18/14 7:52 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/18/2014 09:39 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/18/14 7:23 AM, philo wrote:
On 10/18/2014 08:12 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/18/2014 07:42 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
philo wrote:
On 10/17/2014 05:51 PM, Neil wrote:
I noticed that there are a number of new tablets from 7-10" starting
below $100US. Looks like the Metro UI gamble may start to make some
money for MS?




Even though I do not care for the Metro interface on a PC.
A friend of mine did pick up a Win8 tablet and it seems to be pretty
nice.


My biggest complaint with Win8 is simply that I thought it should have
defaulted to Metro on a touch screen device...and Classic on a
non-touch screen device.

I take it that you didn't install Win8.1? I had to go through a good
bit of
re-configuring to get my notebook to boot to Metro again after that
installation.


The 8.1 installs that I have seen default to the Metro side not the
desktop.




That's correct and exactly the reason I think Microsoft got it wrong.

Too many people just knows computers by rote and to even figure out how
to switch from Metro to Classic is beyond their capability.


I upgraded to 8.1 from 8.0, and it defaulted to the desktop, not Metro.
I think I read somewhere that 8.1 checks to see if you have a touch
screen. If so, it defaults to Metro. If not, it defaults to the desktop.



Not true. 8.1 defaults to the Metro side even if you don't have a touch
screen. I have helped with ones that upgraded to 8.1 and ones that
bought computers with 8.1 installed both defaulted to Metro, no touch
screens.


Then, I dunno. Both my 8.1 upgrades, one in a VM the other on a
computer, both defaulted to the desktop. I didn't have to change a thing.


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and it's gone!"
  #24  
Old October 18th 14, 03:02 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 18/10/2014 2:46 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2014-10-18 5:07 AM, Roderick Stewart wrote:
[...]
If Windows 10 kills anything it will be my interest in using any
Microsoft products at all. They*still* don't seem to have realised
that whatever may or may not work with fat fingers on a tablet,
millions of desktop users don't want a screenful of those tiles. [...]


a) you don't have to use Metro if you don't want to;
b) sales figures show that most of those desktop users are buying
laptops as replacements.


a) You *do* have to use Metro, unless you do a lot of modifying to make
the desktop usable. There is no menu "out of the box" to use the desktop
versions of programs, only the cut-down rubbish in Metro. A
non-technical user would never find anything but the Metro apps.

b) The same applies to laptops as desktops - they need the same extra
programs like Classic Shell to make them usable. Metro only has any real
value on a tablet computer or a phone.

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The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
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  #25  
Old October 18th 14, 03:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 18/10/2014 2:39 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/18/14 7:23 AM, philo wrote:
On 10/18/2014 08:12 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/18/2014 07:42 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
philo wrote:
On 10/17/2014 05:51 PM, Neil wrote:
I noticed that there are a number of new tablets from 7-10" starting
below $100US. Looks like the Metro UI gamble may start to make some
money for MS?




Even though I do not care for the Metro interface on a PC.
A friend of mine did pick up a Win8 tablet and it seems to be pretty
nice.


My biggest complaint with Win8 is simply that I thought it should have
defaulted to Metro on a touch screen device...and Classic on a
non-touch screen device.

I take it that you didn't install Win8.1? I had to go through a good
bit of
re-configuring to get my notebook to boot to Metro again after that
installation.


The 8.1 installs that I have seen default to the Metro side not the
desktop.




That's correct and exactly the reason I think Microsoft got it wrong.

Too many people just knows computers by rote and to even figure out how
to switch from Metro to Classic is beyond their capability.


I upgraded to 8.1 from 8.0, and it defaulted to the desktop, not Metro.
I think I read somewhere that 8.1 checks to see if you have a touch
screen. If so, it defaults to Metro. If not, it defaults to the desktop.



You can *make* 8.1 default to the desktop, but as installed it defaults
to Metro.

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  #26  
Old October 18th 14, 03:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 2014-10-18 9:23 AM, philo wrote:
On 10/18/2014 08:12 AM, Caver1 wrote:
On 10/18/2014 07:42 AM, Neil Gould wrote:
philo wrote:
On 10/17/2014 05:51 PM, Neil wrote:
I noticed that there are a number of new tablets from 7-10" starting
below $100US. Looks like the Metro UI gamble may start to make some
money for MS?




Even though I do not care for the Metro interface on a PC.
A friend of mine did pick up a Win8 tablet and it seems to be pretty
nice.


My biggest complaint with Win8 is simply that I thought it should have
defaulted to Metro on a touch screen device...and Classic on a
non-touch screen device.

I take it that you didn't install Win8.1? I had to go through a good
bit of
re-configuring to get my notebook to boot to Metro again after that
installation.


The 8.1 installs that I have seen default to the Metro side not the
desktop.


That's correct and exactly the reason I think Microsoft got it wrong.

Too many people just knows computers by rote and to even figure out how
to switch from Metro to Classic is beyond their capability.


They got it wrong and realized it too late. It's something which should
have been corrected within a month or two of release, not a year or
whatever later when 8.1 came out. Lucky for Microsoft, the alternative
is so awful that they still have an opportunity to recapture the hearts
and minds of those they've alienated.

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  #27  
Old October 18th 14, 03:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:37:04 -0500, Ed Propes
wrote:

Roderick Stewart used his keyboard to write :
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 11:37:04 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:

Absolutely. Windows 10 is not a shred better than 8.1 - except, when you
find it, it has a "shutdown" button. That being said, with Classic Shell
added it can be turned into a usable system, and it works fine once you
have spent quite some time doing that.


Agreed, but it shouldn't need anything extra to turn it into a usable
system. If I've paid my money for something I expect it to be usable
as it is. Like the previous version, and the one before that, so we
know they can do it...

Rod.


A lot of discussion when a lot can change before RTM.



Ditto! Windows 10 doesn't exist yet. The Technical Preview is *not*
Windows 10, and it remains to be seen what it will be and how well it
will be liked.


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Old October 18th 14, 03:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 15:02:15 +0100, Bob Henson
wrote:


a) You *do* have to use Metro, unless you do a lot of modifying to make
the desktop usable.



I completely disagree. I know several people who happily use the
desktop interface with *no* modifying. And if you want to make it even
better, installing Start8 or Classic Shell is very far from "a lot of
modifying." It is *one* very easy and very quick thing to do.


There is no menu "out of the box" to use the desktop
versions of programs, only the cut-down rubbish in Metro. A
non-technical user would never find anything but the Metro apps.



Alas, I *do* agree with that last statement. I think Microsoft has
done a very poor job of making it clear that Windows 8 has two
interfaces and you can use either or both.

  #29  
Old October 18th 14, 03:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 10/18/2014 09:03 AM, Bob Henson wrote:




That's correct and exactly the reason I think Microsoft got it wrong.

Too many people just knows computers by rote and to even figure out how
to switch from Metro to Classic is beyond their capability.


I upgraded to 8.1 from 8.0, and it defaulted to the desktop, not Metro.
I think I read somewhere that 8.1 checks to see if you have a touch
screen. If so, it defaults to Metro. If not, it defaults to the desktop.



You can *make* 8.1 default to the desktop, but as installed it defaults
to Metro.



True, but what I found annoying is that if one hits the wrong key
somewhere, it pops back over to Metro.

Installing a 3rd party program such as Classic Shell fixes that.
  #30  
Old October 18th 14, 05:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 07:37:04 -0500, Ed Propes
wrote:

Absolutely. Windows 10 is not a shred better than 8.1 - except, when you
find it, it has a "shutdown" button. That being said, with Classic Shell
added it can be turned into a usable system, and it works fine once you
have spent quite some time doing that.


Agreed, but it shouldn't need anything extra to turn it into a usable
system. If I've paid my money for something I expect it to be usable
as it is. Like the previous version, and the one before that, so we
know they can do it...

Rod.


A lot of discussion when a lot can change before RTM.


A lot about Windows 8 Preview could have changed before RTM.

But it didn't.

We've still got those wretched tiles. It's possible to avoid them
unless you accidentally select something wrong, then you stumble back
into a screenful of them. And they're still there in Windows 10, in
the Start menu. Microsoft seem determined at all costs to get us using
tiles whether we want them or not. What's wrong with a list?

Rod.
 




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