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Where are these in W 8?
"Char Jackson" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 15:45:26 -0500, "R.H. Breener" wrote: I just spent over an hour on eightforums and what they said to do doesn't bring up any choices to run the Command Prompt as Administrator. There is no info on how to get that choice to appear on the dropdown menu. Use the Win 8 Snipping Tool to take a capture of the screen where you're clicking, then upload it somewhere and post the link. You're obviously doing something wrong, but we're having a hard time seeing what it is. Opening a Command Prompt as Admin works perfectly here. That problem was solved. Someone suggested I hit Start/SearchBox/type "command" and choose "Command Prompt" - and THERE IT WAS, "Admin: Command Prompt." It works the same as on Vista. I didn't know I could get it that way since on Vista it's on the Start Menu as Admin already. Two clicks and it's open on Vista. A lot of pointless negative changes in W8. |
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Where are these in W 8?
"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:45:37 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote: There is a Guest account on the right that is turned off by default I guess. And my account, on the left, RHBreener w/my email address and Administrator, Password Protected. So I suppose I'm the Admin. Those are the only 2 accounts there. You are not "The Administrator", you are "an administrator" (an account of *type* administrator). That means an account with many but not all of The Administrator's privileges. The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some trickery. And since I hope to have a new LP soon, what might that trickery be? I know enough not to delete important files. I've made simple registry changes etc. BTW, I think I'll wait until I'm back home in early April because the stores there have a better selection of PCs, unlike here. No Electronic Express here. Best Buy and Staples had little to choose from. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Where are these in W 8?
"Alek" wrote in message ... The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some trickery. In the elevated command prompt, type net user administrator /active:yes and hit ENTER. Tricky, no? :-) |
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Where are these in W 8?
"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 19:57:04 -0500, Alek wrote: Gene E. Bloch wrote on 2/24/2015 7:29 PM: On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:45:37 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote: There is a Guest account on the right that is turned off by default I guess. And my account, on the left, RHBreener w/my email address and Administrator, Password Protected. So I suppose I'm the Admin. Those are the only 2 accounts there. You are not "The Administrator", you are "an administrator" (an account of *type* administrator). That means an account with many but not all of The Administrator's privileges. Which one are missing? You tell me. I have no intention of doing that research - but thanks for asking. The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some trickery. In the elevated command prompt, type net user administrator /active:yes and hit ENTER. Tricky, no? :-) Since you weren't able to figure that out from what I wrote: I had no intention of posting that information in this thread. If you wanted to tell R.H. Breener how to enable the Administrator account, you also should have mentioned how to disable it. And why. And while you were at it, you might have told him how to log in to that account and how to set a password once he's there. Also how to get back to his normal account... You were not altogether responsible, IMO. Would it be safer to use an Unlocker and the TakeOwnership programs rather then this Administrator account? They allow any file to be renamed, moved or deleted. I know when I try to install Winmail and do some file renaming and removing, I'll need that ability. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Where are these in W 8?
"Ron" wrote in message ... On 2/24/2015 6:44 AM, R.H. Breener wrote: "Paul" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: "Live" wrote in message ... "R.H. Breener" wrote... From the site someone recommended: "Start Menu == All Programs == Accessories Right click on Command Prompt MenuPick "Run as administrator..." from the Alternate menu presented." I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8 as there is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." ' http://www.howtogeek.com/194041/how-...n-windows-8.1/ I've been there already. There is no choice to click on for "Run as administrator." It says Command Prompt and that's all. There is nothing about running as an admin on the dropdown menu. It says move, size, edit etc. A person who is running ClassicShell, probably doesn't use the big Start window with all the groovy tiles in it :-) If you use that sucker (click the Start thing), and type "Command Prompt" or "cmd", the Start window searches its list of software and puts the search result on the right hand side. If you right-click on the first item that comes back, one of the options is "Run As Administrator". http://i60.tinypic.com/k98h1l.jpg The only thing that came up is the SAME Command Prompt window. What other items do you mean? Just the one window came up. What else was supposed to come up? ******* Now, if you get this far along, "Command Prompt" is already running. It's a bit difficult to elevate. And you notice the window frame has only the ordinary adjustments. http://i62.tinypic.com/i27rph.jpg Close that window for now. Then find that Start button, and do it like in the first picture. And right-click on the first result that comes back. ******* How do I get the tiles back? Even if I type in CMD the same window with the same dropdown menu comes up with the same choices, none are run as Admin. For a stickler for details like yourself, note that in this OS, the Command Prompt window has a mind of its own. On older OSes, you can open one "Administrator-powered" command prompt window after another. On this stinking OS, if you attempt to open a second one (using the method shown in the first picture), instead of opening a second Command Prompt, it just whips you back to that first window you created. If you attempt to open a second window which is not elevated, then you can open a second command prompt window. And right off hand, I can't remember the fix for this. The same window keeps coming up over and over with no choice in the dropdown menu for Admin. This OS is the pits. I see no inprovement over Vista and W 7. What was improved? It's worse - plus things are missing we used to get. No email client. No Snipper Tool. What is MS trying to prove? People are just being driven to MACS. I'm the last one in the family to be still using Windows. At least with W7 I could get WindowsMail working. I can't on the W 8 LT. It is the same as Windows 7. Click on the start button (Classic Shell) type "cmd" in the search bar "cmd" will appear. Right click on "cmd" and select "Run as administrator". There is a snipping tool. The same exact one that comes with Windows 7. There was no SnippingTool in W8. I copied it from this old LT to W8.1. If it was there, Search couldn't find it nor could I. Where has MS hidden it? Also, Windows 7 does not come with an email client. Yes I know. I copied WindowsMail from this old Vista LT to W7 and got it working. But that was like two years ago. When I tried it on W8, now returned to the store, I kept getting an MSOE.DLL error - that this DLL couldn't be loaded. In any case I don't have to worry about that until I get a new LT. |
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On 2/26/2015 12:52 AM, R.H. Breener wrote:
"Ron" wrote There is a snipping tool. The same exact one that comes with Windows 7. There was no SnippingTool in W8. I copied it from this old LT to W8.1. If it was there, Search couldn't find it nor could I. Where has MS hidden it? Dunno why the search didn't pull it up. All I do is put "snip" in the search bar and there it is. |
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Where are these in W 8?
R.H. Breener wrote:
From the site someone recommended: "Start Menu == All Programs == Accessories Right click on Command Prompt MenuPick "Run as administrator..." from the Alternate menu presented." I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8 as there is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." ' You could always just create a shortcut to cmd.exe and check the "run as administrator" box in the "advanced" section of the shortcut properties. |
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Where are these in W 8?
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 19:37:58 -0700, "...winston‫" wrote: Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 17:26:12 -0500, Alek wrote: Gene E. Bloch wrote on 2/25/2015 3:23 PM: On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 20:53:26 -0500, Cy Burnot wrote: That means an account with many but not all of The Administrator's privileges. Which one are missing? You tell me. I have no intention of doing that research - but thanks for asking. I just love guys who make claims that they have no intention of substantiating!! It's nice to be loved. Thanks. If you care enough, do some research on your own. ATM, I don't recall the things I had to do as *the* Administrator, and I don't particularly care whether you know what they were. I care when someone makes such a bold statement and then says, "I forget". It's like denying that people had something to do with global warming or that the proposed pipeline will create jobs that last more than 2 years! I guarantee you that I have relatively little to do with global warming, but about the Keystone XL pipeline, I reserve comment. HTH. I think I had a bold statement to make, but I forgot. Probably because of years reading all the excess hot air that increasingly has global impact on the value of newsgroups...or maybe the pipeline that provides the feed really wasn't necessary. I should have posted more discreetly. I forgot that you were monitoring me :-) So you caught me...perhaps I *am* guilty of contributing to global warming. Lol...we all do (moi included)...then again even the tools we use could be contributory See: Page 55-61 Indoor Pollutant Emissions from Electronic Office Equipment http://www.arb.ca.gov/research/semin...one/mckone.pdf -- ....winston msft mvp consumer apps |
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Where are these in W 8?
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:13:15 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:
It works the same as on Vista. I didn't know I could get it that way since on Vista it's on the Start Menu as Admin already. Two clicks and it's open on Vista. A lot of pointless negative changes in W8. It's not in Admin mode in W7. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Where are these in W 8?
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:34:47 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:
Would it be safer to use an Unlocker and the TakeOwnership programs rather then this Administrator account? They allow any file to be renamed, moved or deleted. I know when I try to install Winmail and do some file renaming and removing, I'll need that ability. I can't speak to safer, but I'm sure it would be a *lot* easier, which is not to be sneezed at... OTOH, they are probably safer too. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Where are these in W 8?
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:19:41 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote:
The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some trickery. And since I hope to have a new LP soon, what might that trickery be? I know enough not to delete important files. I've made simple registry changes etc. BTW, I think I'll wait until I'm back home in early April because the stores there have a better selection of PCs, unlike here. No Electronic Express here. Best Buy and Staples had little to choose from. I was hoping you wouldn't ask, actually, since I see it as a bit dangerous :-) There are several ways, but below is the one I know. Run it in an elevated (run as Administrator) command prompt. To turn it on: net user administrator /active:yes To turn it off: net user administrator /active:no After turning it on, switch user (Start button menu) and log in to the Admin user (That's how I do it in W7; I forget the difference in W8, if any). When you're done, you should log out of Admin and switch back to yourself, then turn the Administrator account off again, so as to minimize certain malware risks, since a running or enabled Administrator is (some say) dangerous. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:34:47 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote: Would it be safer to use an Unlocker and the TakeOwnership programs rather then this Administrator account? They allow any file to be renamed, moved or deleted. I know when I try to install Winmail and do some file renaming and removing, I'll need that ability. I can't speak to safer, but I'm sure it would be a *lot* easier, which is not to be sneezed at... OTOH, they are probably safer too. Using TakeOwn from a menu, may affect more files or folders than you really need to be modifying. To get some understanding of what is going on, the command line examples here are educational. And may give ideas for more surgical attacks (limit the damage). http://blogs.msdn.com/b/tims/archive...deletable.aspx takeown /f %1 /r /d y icacls %1 /grant administrators:F /t In the first one, you don't have to use a "recursive" option. You might consider removing the /r, if changing the Program Files folder. That way, only the top level folder would be changed, rather than changing every program ever installed on the computer. More info on takeown, here. https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../cc753024.aspx Paul |
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Where are these in W 8?
"Gene E. Bloch" wrote in message ... On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 00:19:41 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote: The real Administrator account is hidden, but it is accessible by some trickery. And since I hope to have a new LP soon, what might that trickery be? I know enough not to delete important files. I've made simple registry changes etc. BTW, I think I'll wait until I'm back home in early April because the stores there have a better selection of PCs, unlike here. No Electronic Express here. Best Buy and Staples had little to choose from. I was hoping you wouldn't ask, actually, since I see it as a bit dangerous :-) There are several ways, but below is the one I know. Run it in an elevated (run as Administrator) command prompt. To turn it on: net user administrator /active:yes To turn it off: net user administrator /active:no After turning it on, switch user (Start button menu) and log in to the Admin user (That's how I do it in W7; I forget the difference in W8, if any). When you're done, you should log out of Admin and switch back to yourself, then turn the Administrator account off again, so as to minimize certain malware risks, since a running or enabled Administrator is (some say) dangerous. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) Will do. I can see the risk of leaving it on. Thanks. |
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Where are these in W 8?
"Stormin' Norman" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 16:51:04 -0500, "R.H. Breener" wrote: "mechanic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 04:50:55 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote: I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8 as there is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." ' Try entering 'command' in the search box, r-click on the 'command prompt' choice that comes up. Holy sh*t.... that worked!!!!!!!!!! After all this time and reading online. Thanks! Glad you figured it out, Someone should smack the MS GUI designers. I just can't understand some of the changes I found. They're so pointless, but then I read more than once W8 was designed for Tablets, not computers. |
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Where are these in W 8?
"G. Morgan" wrote in message ... R.H. Breener wrote: From the site someone recommended: "Start Menu == All Programs == Accessories Right click on Command Prompt MenuPick "Run as administrator..." from the Alternate menu presented." I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8 as there is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." ' You could always just create a shortcut to cmd.exe and check the "run as administrator" box in the "advanced" section of the shortcut properties. The below info worked. I will make a shortcut for it. It also works on Vista, though isn't needed. I bet this code goes back to the first Windows PC. "mechanic" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 Feb 2015 04:50:55 -0500, R.H. Breener wrote: I can't click on the Command Prompt to run as Administrator in W 8 as there is no MenuPick to "Run as administrator." ' Try entering 'command' in the search box, r-click on the 'command prompt' choice that comes up. |
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