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Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with
Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26" touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead. My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the drive as well as any other software/drivers needed. |
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Drew wrote:
Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26" touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead. My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the drive as well as any other software/drivers needed. Since you installed Win10 already, that generated Digital Entitlement for another copy of 10240. That's the RTM (release) version of the OS offered to free upgrade (GWX) customers. That install operation, created a license key for your usage, which is stored on a Microsoft server. There is no need for "MagicJellyBean" or the like in this case. You use MediaCreationTool to get another copy of Win10 as a DVD. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO That web page behaves two ways. If you browse there from a WinXP computer or if you browse there from a Linux computer, you are given a *direct* link to the download. The download seems to be unreliable that way. I received two truncated files (not enough bytes). I presume this is to punish me for not using a computer that will run the MediaCreationTool and do it that way. The MediaCreationTool probably checks the download for correctness/completion, because I didn't have a problem with that. These are typical sizes and checksums. I don't know if yours would be exactly the same - however, if what you get is only ~2GB in size, you know there is a problem. You will probably be getting the x64 DVD, which will run 64 bit or 32 bit programs, and only have a problem with very old 16 bit installers (used by some old programs). Win10_English_x64.iso 4,083,853,312 bytes (US English?) Win10_English_x32.iso 3,052,865,536 bytes (US English?) MD5sum = 99feb0f9e7262b7eefa460840a31b59d Win10_English_x32.iso MD5sum = 23e397a21a9e01f141c64b7e1260314a Win10_English_x64.iso On the computer doing the download, these are two potential storage areas. If MediaCreationTool is running, it uses ~WS for staging, and may erase ~BT while it is at it. I would use a Windows machine where I am comfortable there won't be a conflict with some other ongoing activity of that nature. When these directories are full, they can be anywhere from 3 to 6GB in size, so you can tell if they're "busy" with something. For example, if your technician computer is a Win8 machine in the middle of GWX, and you ran MediaCreationTool on that machine, the ~BT would get cleaned out (for no particular good reason), and the GWX activity would be upset by it. No idea how this stuff recovers. I have plenty of VMs around here, if I need a "pristine" downloader environment, I can cook one up. So this is a warning, only if you're doing multiple of these activities at the same time. C:\$WINDOWS.~BT --- GWX storage area C:\$WINDOWS.~WS --- MediaCreationTool storage area (i.e. download a DVD) ******* Just use the first link above, and you should be all set. Pop a new drive in the IQ804, your Win10 license key is stored on a Microsoft server, and when you use the MediaCreationTool DVD to install the OS (boot it), it should contact Microsoft for the key. When you see a license key box, the word "Skip" should be near the box. Click "Skip" and the installer contacts Microsoft when it wants the key. If you don't see the word "Skip", then the installer is apparently not able to locate your key. The installer computes a hardware hash, using things like the NIC MAC address as "unique" information. That's how it looks up your license key. The only hardware changed in your config now, is the new hard drive serial number, and with any luck, that's not enough to send you back to square one... :-) The vast majority of your hardware is the same as it was before the hardware failure, so I don't expect a problem with this clean installation. Paul |
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On 10/14/2015 07:21 PM, Drew wrote:
Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26" touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead. My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the drive as well as any other software/drivers needed. Since you have already gone through install the OS once why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time? Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD |
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Drew wrote on 10/14/2015 8:21 PM:
Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26" touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead. My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the drive as well as any other software/drivers needed. Follow Paul's advice on obtaining and using the Windows 10 Media Creation Tool(MCT) to create the media. - Choose the right media option usb or dvd if given the chance(usb if you old device is capable of booting from usb or dvd if not). If not an option consider burning the iso to usb or dvd on a different computer. - Choose/select the correct Language, Edition (Pro or Home/Core), and architecture(32 or 64 bit) - If the upgrade 10, Vista and 8 were previously 32 bit then consider retaining 32 bit architecture. Note: Having previously upgraded from 7 to 10 and activating 10 the upgrade may have retained existing drivers used/installed by the earlier o/s. It might be prudent to have drivers available if Win10 does not provide them. Here's a link with pictures on creating the Win10 media usng the MCT http://www.digitalcitizen.life/how-d...allation-media Good luck. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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philo wrote on 10/14/2015 9:36 PM:
On 10/14/2015 07:21 PM, Drew wrote: Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26" touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead. My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the drive as well as any other software/drivers needed. Since you have already gone through install the OS once why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time? Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices. Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may not be as streamlined as the upgrade route. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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On 10/15/2015 12:46 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Since you have already gone through install the OS once why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time? Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices. Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may not be as streamlined as the upgrade route. But the OP has already demonstrated the ability to install the OS. Unlike in the days of Win98, Microsoft is now pretty good with the "search for the drivers on-line" feature...and only rarely do I anymore have to go to the mfg for drivers. |
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philo wrote on 10/15/2015 6:44 AM:
On 10/15/2015 12:46 AM, . . .winston wrote: Since you have already gone through install the OS once why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time? Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices. Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may not be as streamlined as the upgrade route. But the OP has already demonstrated the ability to install the OS. Unlike in the days of Win98, Microsoft is now pretty good with the "search for the drivers on-line" feature...and only rarely do I anymore have to go to the mfg for drivers. Yes, much better on including and using Windows Update for drivers, unfortunately for older devices (of which a Vista device could be) neither Win10 or the manufacturer may have drivers, thus some may still be needed. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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On 10/15/2015 03:05 PM, . . .winston wrote:
philo wrote on 10/15/2015 6:44 AM: On 10/15/2015 12:46 AM, . . .winston wrote: Since you have already gone through install the OS once why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time? Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices. Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may not be as streamlined as the upgrade route. But the OP has already demonstrated the ability to install the OS. Unlike in the days of Win98, Microsoft is now pretty good with the "search for the drivers on-line" feature...and only rarely do I anymore have to go to the mfg for drivers. Yes, much better on including and using Windows Update for drivers, unfortunately for older devices (of which a Vista device could be) neither Win10 or the manufacturer may have drivers, thus some may still be needed. Agreed. I had a weird one recently on a mini-pc made by Zotac Took me quite a while to chase down one specific driver |
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philo wrote on 10/16/2015 12:05 AM:
On 10/15/2015 03:05 PM, . . .winston wrote: philo wrote on 10/15/2015 6:44 AM: On 10/15/2015 12:46 AM, . . .winston wrote: Since you have already gone through install the OS once why are you asking how to do it a 2nd time? Nothing in the procedure will change by simply replacing the HD That assumption might not be correct. The prior o/s that was upgraded from to Win10 already had drivers for all applications and devices. Clean installing on an older era (e.g. original Vista) device may not be as streamlined as the upgrade route. But the OP has already demonstrated the ability to install the OS. Unlike in the days of Win98, Microsoft is now pretty good with the "search for the drivers on-line" feature...and only rarely do I anymore have to go to the mfg for drivers. Yes, much better on including and using Windows Update for drivers, unfortunately for older devices (of which a Vista device could be) neither Win10 or the manufacturer may have drivers, thus some may still be needed. Agreed. I had a weird one recently on a mini-pc made by Zotac Took me quite a while to chase down one specific driver For Win10 users after upgrading from a qualifying o/s (7 or 8x) to an activated/entitled license system and deciding to travel down the available Win10 'Skip product key' clean install and activate using entitled license it's important to recognize the history of how the device arrived at 7 or 8x (7 or 8x as original prior o/s; upgraded from an earlier o/s e.g. XP/Vista to 7, etc.) Win10 does a decent job on including and finding drivers but it is not capable of 100% of all systems. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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On 10/16/2015 01:29 AM, . . .winston wrote:
I had a weird one recently on a mini-pc made by Zotac Took me quite a while to chase down one specific driver For Win10 users after upgrading from a qualifying o/s (7 or 8x) to an activated/entitled license system and deciding to travel down the available Win10 'Skip product key' clean install and activate using entitled license it's important to recognize the history of how the device arrived at 7 or 8x (7 or 8x as original prior o/s; upgraded from an earlier o/s e.g. XP/Vista to 7, etc.) Win10 does a decent job on including and finding drivers but it is not capable of 100% of all systems. The specific problem I had with the Zotac was a co-processor with no driver. Zotac had no such driver on their site as far as I could tell...and since the CPU was Intel I went to their site and saw nothing for co-processor. It turned out to be a video co-processor part of the Nvidia chipset and eventually got it installed |
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On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:21:17 -0700, Drew
wrote: Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26" touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead. My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the drive as well as any other software/drivers needed. I had a fried HDD once, a long time ago, and I fixed it by swapping over its burned-out control card with one from a same model & type. Perhaps a local fixit shop may try this for you? |
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On 10/14/2015 5:59 PM, Paul wrote:
Drew wrote: Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26" touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead. My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the drive as well as any other software/drivers needed. Since you installed Win10 already, that generated Digital Entitlement for another copy of 10240. That's the RTM (release) version of the OS offered to free upgrade (GWX) customers. That install operation, created a license key for your usage, which is stored on a Microsoft server. There is no need for "MagicJellyBean" or the like in this case. You use MediaCreationTool to get another copy of Win10 as a DVD. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO That web page behaves two ways. If you browse there from a WinXP computer or if you browse there from a Linux computer, you are given a *direct* link to the download. The download seems to be unreliable that way. I received two truncated files (not enough bytes). I presume this is to punish me for not using a computer that will run the MediaCreationTool and do it that way. The MediaCreationTool probably checks the download for correctness/completion, because I didn't have a problem with that. These are typical sizes and checksums. I don't know if yours would be exactly the same - however, if what you get is only ~2GB in size, you know there is a problem. You will probably be getting the x64 DVD, which will run 64 bit or 32 bit programs, and only have a problem with very old 16 bit installers (used by some old programs). Win10_English_x64.iso 4,083,853,312 bytes (US English?) Win10_English_x32.iso 3,052,865,536 bytes (US English?) MD5sum = 99feb0f9e7262b7eefa460840a31b59d Win10_English_x32.iso MD5sum = 23e397a21a9e01f141c64b7e1260314a Win10_English_x64.iso On the computer doing the download, these are two potential storage areas. If MediaCreationTool is running, it uses ~WS for staging, and may erase ~BT while it is at it. I would use a Windows machine where I am comfortable there won't be a conflict with some other ongoing activity of that nature. When these directories are full, they can be anywhere from 3 to 6GB in size, so you can tell if they're "busy" with something. For example, if your technician computer is a Win8 machine in the middle of GWX, and you ran MediaCreationTool on that machine, the ~BT would get cleaned out (for no particular good reason), and the GWX activity would be upset by it. No idea how this stuff recovers. I have plenty of VMs around here, if I need a "pristine" downloader environment, I can cook one up. So this is a warning, only if you're doing multiple of these activities at the same time. C:\$WINDOWS.~BT --- GWX storage area C:\$WINDOWS.~WS --- MediaCreationTool storage area (i.e. download a DVD) ******* Just use the first link above, and you should be all set. Pop a new drive in the IQ804, your Win10 license key is stored on a Microsoft server, and when you use the MediaCreationTool DVD to install the OS (boot it), it should contact Microsoft for the key. When you see a license key box, the word "Skip" should be near the box. Click "Skip" and the installer contacts Microsoft when it wants the key. If you don't see the word "Skip", then the installer is apparently not able to locate your key. The installer computes a hardware hash, using things like the NIC MAC address as "unique" information. That's how it looks up your license key. The only hardware changed in your config now, is the new hard drive serial number, and with any luck, that's not enough to send you back to square one... :-) The vast majority of your hardware is the same as it was before the hardware failure, so I don't expect a problem with this clean installation. Paul My many Thanks to Paul and Winston for your help in "walking" me through the replacement and subsequent install of the hard drive and reinstall of a fresh win 10. The touchsmart is working fine at this time and hopefully will stay that way. I upped it from a 500gig to a 1 tb drive and it might even be a little snappier than before! |
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On 10/16/2015 9:46 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 17:21:17 -0700, Drew wrote: Need some help here all!!.. I have a HP IQ804 that originally came with Vista. I then installed win7 asap as Vista was killing it in performance. I had tried to up it to win 8 when it was released but it would not work (graphics issue). I kind of put the computer in a closet for a year or more as I really did not have room for it anywhere. (26" touchsmart) For s**ts and giggles I thought I would give win 10 a shot as it is of course free. Lo and behold it works great on that computer and the wife was going to put it in the new kitchen and use it for recipes and media etc. Now the hard drive has taken a dump and needs to be replaced. I ran all the diagnostics in the world and yes it is dead. My question is, I did not manage to get a backup done before it crashed and I do not really care as it was gonna be wiped anyways and then put win 10 on fresh. I can replace the drive no problem but I am not sure what to do after plunking in a new drive. I have always had a op system to start with then clone or whatever. How do I get one on the drive as well as any other software/drivers needed. I had a fried HDD once, a long time ago, and I fixed it by swapping over its burned-out control card with one from a same model & type. Perhaps a local fixit shop may try this for you? The chances of this being totally successful are not good! Turns out that even the same make and model drive can differ in spared tracks and so forth. Been there tried that! |
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