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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:42:10 -0500, WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:36:45 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:32:05 -0500, WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:22:36 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:18:09 -0500, WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:12:30 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:07:54 -0500, WaIIy wrote: So... what was all that about how to clone a drive/disk to a single partition, and then doing it again later to another partition... so that one could keep "generational copies"?? I personally don't think you can do that. Maybe you can??? You own Casper, don't you? TRY it. ****, okay, I'll try it and report back. Don't bother. It can be done... I did it yesterday to test it out. Keeping multiple images with Acronis is much simpler if one wants that ability. Richie Hardwick You can't boot the Copy, I just tried it. I can boot my Clone, not my Copy. You tried something else. Nope. I used "Copy a specific drive". To be bootable, it's gotta be in the Primary partition. Trust me: ALL such copies will be "bootable" (an EXACT duplicate) except for the above limitation - they HAVE to be if they are going to be "reverse-clonable" to restore the system partition. My second drive has D and E. My copy is on D It wouldn't boot. That's all I know. You did something wrong. It worked on mine yesterday and it just worked again. On TWO internal drives (I have four counting my system drive - plus two externals). Richie Is the partition you booted from marked "Active" when you look in disk management? Ps It's hard to do something wrong when I just copied C to D. I unplugged my C drive and plugged the second drive in that connector on my MB. "No boot device available" DID you go into your BIOS and make SURE the new disk is first in the boot order???? |
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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:04:29 -0500, WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:56:28 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:42:10 -0500, WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:36:45 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:32:05 -0500, WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:22:36 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:18:09 -0500, WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:12:30 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:07:54 -0500, WaIIy wrote: So... what was all that about how to clone a drive/disk to a single partition, and then doing it again later to another partition... so that one could keep "generational copies"?? I personally don't think you can do that. Maybe you can??? You own Casper, don't you? TRY it. ****, okay, I'll try it and report back. Don't bother. It can be done... I did it yesterday to test it out. Keeping multiple images with Acronis is much simpler if one wants that ability. Richie Hardwick You can't boot the Copy, I just tried it. I can boot my Clone, not my Copy. You tried something else. Nope. I used "Copy a specific drive". To be bootable, it's gotta be in the Primary partition. Trust me: ALL such copies will be "bootable" (an EXACT duplicate) except for the above limitation - they HAVE to be if they are going to be "reverse-clonable" to restore the system partition. My second drive has D and E. My copy is on D It wouldn't boot. That's all I know. You did something wrong. It worked on mine yesterday and it just worked again. On TWO internal drives (I have four counting my system drive - plus two externals). Richie Is the partition you booted from marked "Active" when you look in disk management? Ps It's hard to do something wrong when I just copied C to D. I unplugged my C drive and plugged the second drive in that connector on my MB. "No boot device available" DID you go into your BIOS and make SURE the new disk is first in the boot order???? I didn't have to. I took out the C drive plug and plugged in the Copied drive. Check again. If you have any other drives connected at bootup - even USB drives - they might have moved up in the boot order. |
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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:05:46 -0500, WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:49:07 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:42:10 -0500, WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:36:45 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:32:05 -0500, WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:22:36 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:18:09 -0500, WaIIy wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:12:30 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:07:54 -0500, WaIIy wrote: So... what was all that about how to clone a drive/disk to a single partition, and then doing it again later to another partition... so that one could keep "generational copies"?? I personally don't think you can do that. Maybe you can??? You own Casper, don't you? TRY it. ****, okay, I'll try it and report back. Don't bother. It can be done... I did it yesterday to test it out. Keeping multiple images with Acronis is much simpler if one wants that ability. Richie Hardwick You can't boot the Copy, I just tried it. I can boot my Clone, not my Copy. You tried something else. Nope. I used "Copy a specific drive". To be bootable, it's gotta be in the Primary partition. Trust me: ALL such copies will be "bootable" (an EXACT duplicate) except for the above limitation - they HAVE to be if they are going to be "reverse-clonable" to restore the system partition. My second drive has D and E. My copy is on D It wouldn't boot. That's all I know. You did something wrong. It worked on mine yesterday and it just worked again. On TWO internal drives (I have four counting my system drive - plus two externals). Richie Is the partition you booted from marked "Active" when you look in disk management? Ps It's hard to do something wrong when I just copied C to D. I unplugged my C drive and plugged the second drive in that connector on my MB. "No boot device available" Don't know what to tell you. It works fine here, so I absolutely KNOW you're doing something wrong. I even used Casper to make an "incremental clone" of yesterday's after I installed a .NET update and a Defender update today. Did you make an incremental Clone or incremental Copy? You said you booted off a copy, not a clone. sigh I used COPY A SPECIFIC DRIVE. I copied to an EXISTING PARTITION Then I restarted, set the boot order, and booted to that partition. I did it with a system disk with only a single partition AND a system disk with two partitions (used Acronis Disk Director to add the second partition). Worked either way. When I made the incremental clone, I used the shortcut from the first COPY TO A SPECIFIC DRIVE to make it. |
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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:04:51 -0700, "Bill in Co." wrote: Mike Torello wrote: "Bill in Co." wrote: Mike Torello wrote: "Bill in Co." wrote: Again... download and take the time to digest the material in the user guide. It is quite simple to follow - easier than one of Anna's treatises... and might even include less text. Too simple, to the point of being a bit too simplistic, although the general ideas are covered. I'm talking about what partition copying IS, or is NOT. I've used ATI, BING, and PM, so I think I've got a pretty good understanding of the *underlying concepts* here which have nothing to do with the specific program being used, except as to which technique is or is not being used. You can keep this conversation alive if you like. I am satisfied that the partition copying results in an IDENTICAL copy. Pony up the bucks, try it out and report back if/when you find differently. Until then all you can do is guess - and continue to qualify your guesses with the disclaimer that you've never used the program. Actually, it won't take any guessing if you (or whoever) just check it out yourself. To see if it is a bonafide sector-by-sector partition copy, look at the sizes of the two partitions (i.e., on the source and destination drive) after the operation is complete. And also look at the copied folder date and time stamps, and see if they are the same as on the source partition. A true generational copy will also maintain the original folder and subfolder dates, in addition to the sizes of the partitions themselves (note: size of the partition, and NOT the amount of the data inside; BIG difference there). You are wrong again (who woulda thunk it!?). A partition/disk can be cloned with the resulting clone being either larger, smaller or the same size as the original. That is NOT a partition copy, at the disk sector level. They are not identical. Also, did you, or did you not, check the folder dates on the destination drive, to see if they were identical to those on the source drive partition? I notice you didn't address that, and it would be useful to know. You could easily check it in windows explorer. I just checked and my C drive C:\Windows folder is dated June 20, 2008 1:48 PM and so is my C:\Windows on my backup, cloned drive. I am NOT talking about the case of cloning a source drive, which makes a perfect clone of the source drive. I *am* talking about partition copying, apparently called "Copy Drive" in Casper. Like the case mentioned where the source drive partition size was supposedly 27 GB *in capacity* and the destination drive partition was supposedly 37 GB in capacity (and NOT the amount of DATA). Both types of information (disk partition capacity and used data space) can be determined by using Windows Explorer with a right mouse click on the drive letter in windows explorer and reading the information there. And presumably there ARE different folder AND subfolder dates of the folders on the destination drive (which I am saying will all be date stamped with the date the copy is made!). THAT is what specifically needs to be checked. UNLESS both the source and destination partitions are identical in SIZE (meaning capacity) and all folder/subfolder datetime stamps, they are NOT really identical. |
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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
Mike Torello wrote:
WaIIy wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:19:41 -0600, Mike Torello wrote: WaIIy wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:41:49 -0700, "Bill in Co." wrote: WaIIy wrote: On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 13:35:38 -0700, "Bill in Co." wrote: WaIIy wrote: I have the option to clone the drive or copy it. I copied it to an existing partition on my second internal drive. I think the message for copying reads something like "copy a partition" so I just copied the whole C drive which is one partition to an existing partition on my second drive (which has 2 partitions). OK, then presumably Casper handles it behind the scenes by first deleting that partition and then creating it WHEN it copies the source drive partition to the destination drive. (In contrast, using Boot It NG, which does less hand holding, *you* must FIRST mark that space as "Unallocated" on the destination drive (or delete the partition there), and only THEN will it do the partition copy operation. In my case, I copied (not cloned) the C drive to a partition (D) on my destination drive. I have D and E on my destination drive. The existing partition I copied to was and is 37 gigs, the copy takes up 27 gigs That's because the pre-existing partition there was deleted in the copy partition operation (and effectively recreated as this new and smaller one). "Was and is" The destination drive had partition D of 37 gigs. The copy was 27 gigs. The partition is still 37 gigs. Casper didn't touch it. Then it's not a true "partition copy" in the normal usage of the term, since the source and destination partitions are NOT identical. If what you said is true, then apparently it's only copying the data contents of what's inside the partition, and is NOT making identical partitions. (I'm talking about the size of the partition here, NOT the total size of the data inside!. For example, my main C: partition is 40 GB in size, but only half of it is in use at this point (about 20 GB of data). I agree, the partitions are not identical. The stuff in them seems to be, although my copy is not bootable from the outset. I "think" "possibly" it can be made bootable, but not quite sure. It's gotta be. What about when you copy a single-partitioned system disk to a partition on a second drive. It's not an image. If it ain't bootable, what good is it as a backup!? I'm talking the "Copy" not the clone. From looking at both options as they appear in the User Guide, there's no difference. Sigh, I think you're hopeless. Didn't you just say that? :-) |
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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:29:06 -0500, WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:13:42 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: I used COPY A SPECIFIC DRIVE. me too I copied to an EXISTING PARTITION Me too Then I restarted, set the boot order, and booted to that partition. I did it with a system disk with only a single partition AND a system disk with two partitions (used Acronis Disk Director to add the second partition). Worked either way. When I made the incremental clone, I used the shortcut from the first COPY TO A SPECIFIC DRIVE to make it. I asked if the partition you booted to was (is) marked "Active" is it? Healthy, Active and Primary |
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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:11:57 -0700, "Bill in Co."
wrote: I just checked and my C drive C:\Windows folder is dated June 20, 2008 1:48 PM and so is my C:\Windows on my backup, cloned drive. I am NOT talking about the case of cloning a source drive, which makes a perfect clone of the source drive. I *am* talking about partition copying, apparently called "Copy Drive" in Casper. Like the case mentioned where the source drive partition size was supposedly 27 GB *in capacity* and the destination drive partition was supposedly 37 GB in capacity (and NOT the amount of DATA). Both types of information (disk partition capacity and used data space) can be determined by using Windows Explorer with a right mouse click on the drive letter in windows explorer and reading the information there. And presumably there ARE different folder AND subfolder dates of the folders on the destination drive (which I am saying will all be date stamped with the date the copy is made!). THAT is what specifically needs to be checked. UNLESS both the source and destination partitions are identical in SIZE (meaning capacity) and all folder/subfolder datetime stamps, they are NOT really identical. YOU are a moron. A thick-skulled idiot. A fool. A buffoon. A clown. Take your pick. You apparently haven't even taken the time to look at the User Guide. Go play with BING - or yourself. Whichever gives you the biggest thrill. You have no credibility when it comes to talking about Casper with people who own it and use it. |
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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:16:25 -0500, WaIIy wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:09:24 -0600, Richie Hardwick wrote: Check again. If you have any other drives connected at bootup - even USB drives - they might have moved up in the boot order. It's always good to double check. I only had two drives connected. Actually, only the one which I put in the place of my regular C drive on the motherboard. I unplugged my C drive. I can only tell you that whatever I try here - and I've tried everything Casper can do - it freakin' works. I guarantee that you are screwing something up. Master/Slave jumper???? |
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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
Richie Hardwick wrote:
On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:11:57 -0700, "Bill in Co." wrote: I just checked and my C drive C:\Windows folder is dated June 20, 2008 1:48 PM and so is my C:\Windows on my backup, cloned drive. I am NOT talking about the case of cloning a source drive, which makes a perfect clone of the source drive. I *am* talking about partition copying, apparently called "Copy Drive" in Casper. Like the case mentioned where the source drive partition size was supposedly 27 GB *in capacity* and the destination drive partition was supposedly 37 GB in capacity (and NOT the amount of DATA). Both types of information (disk partition capacity and used data space) can be determined by using Windows Explorer with a right mouse click on the drive letter in windows explorer and reading the information there. And presumably there ARE different folder AND subfolder dates of the folders on the destination drive (which I am saying will all be date stamped with the date the copy is made!). THAT is what specifically needs to be checked. UNLESS both the source and destination partitions are identical in SIZE (meaning capacity) and all folder/subfolder datetime stamps, they are NOT really identical. YOU are a moron. A thick-skulled idiot. That's right, go for the ad hominems, Richie. And that says more about you, than me, (but I imagine that concept is a bit advanced for you). You apparently haven't even taken the time to look at the User Guide. True, I don't have it, or Casper installed at this point. I was asking about it, but getting some pretty ambiguous answers, yourself included. If no one here understands what a sector-to-sector copy is, which is the only true and identical partition copy process, I can't help that. |
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Using Casper 5 disk-cloning program to clone multi-partitioned HDD
If no one here understands what a sector-to-sector copy is, which is the only true and identical partition copy process, I can't help that. I guess this is a bit incomplete. Let me expand on this. Why would anyone care or want it? For two reasons: 1). It completely and accurately preserves the integrity of the source partition, and is an EXACT copy. And that can be useful for debugging purposes. (If you've ever "been there", you know what I mean, but that is another topic) 2). Because the partition copy operation is done disk sector-by-sector at the disk partition level, and NOT at just the files level, ALL the original folder AND subfolder date/time stamps are preserved in the destination drive's partition. That is part and parcel of maintaining an accurate and complete generational copy. ===== Incidentally, I just found a copy of the Casper Guide (pdf file) and looked at it, and, as expected, it doesn't really explain this well. It's a superficial explanation, at best, which is probably ok for the average Joe, since all he generally just wants to make a clone of his source disk should that disk fail, end of story. But the option in Casper that is more related to what I'm talking about would have to be the "Copy a Drive" option, which isn't even really explained in the manual (it's just mentioned). |
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