W10 Upgrade Flag

I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe
, and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff.

I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it?
When? Do I need to go that route?

Thanks

JW

wrote:
I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe
, and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff.

I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it?
When? Do I need to go that route?

Thanks

JW

Install Win7

Use your key and activate it.

Install Win7SP1 (should be available as a
standalone download, so you don't have to pull
it with Windows Update over and over again).

Install IE11.
Install IE11 Cumulative Update for month/year we
are currently in. The purpose of this, is to reduce
the wait-time for Windows Update screen to paint the
update list. Internet Explorer dependency tree causes
long delays in Windows Update. To reduce the delay,
you can try to patch Internet Explorer as up
to date as possible first.

Visit Windows Update and do 200 updates (on top of
SP1). (You won't be receiving IE11 or IE11 cumulative
because you've already done them at this point.)

Do several "reboot + Windows Update" again
and again until you get the machine "full" of
software.

If '583 was received and installed properly,
you may see the GWX icon in the lower-right corner.

When I received '583 (thought I had unticked it),
the first thing I noticed was one or two "GWX"
programs listed in Task Manager. That's how
I knew I had acquired it by accident. I was
one reboot away from getting the icon... :-)
Whew. Removed it before rebooting.

*******

If you ever anticipate doing this again, you should
keep a wsusoffline archive around for yourself.

http://download.wsusoffline.net/

You would potentially need an older version, if
building a WinXP archive. The current version
probably still supports Windows 7. If you find
an older version, AFAIK, all the WinXP files
are still on the Microsoft server ready for download.
They might well be there until 2020.

The file manifest the tool uses when it downloads
stuff, comes from Microsoft directly.

The update files downloaded come from a Microsoft
server. Not from the wsusoffline server. Wsusoffline
basically provides an "engine" to collect updates.
Microsoft would squash them like a bug, if they
were caught distributing the files themselves.
All they're allowed to do, is the engine.

When you make your "client" folder, there should be
something like a setup.exe, and that's how you'd
patch an OS up with the least fuss possible. And then
you could do your Win10 thing.

When I use that here, I plug in my client USB stick,
run the setup.exe, tick a few things, and... walk away.
Very nice.

*******

There are more efficient ways to do what you're trying
to do. I'll assume you are making this "clean" disk
on the machine already running Win7.

1) Using Macrium Reflect Free 6, clone or image&restore
the source disk, to the empty disk. It's unimportant
that the Win7 Ult you've got is a bit "dirty".

You don't really need a "clean" Win7 for this exercise.
Win7 only has to run well enough, to finish the Upgrade
install (basically equivalent to executing a setup.exe
on an Upgrade DVD or an Upgrade folder just downloaded).

This will only work, if you have 20GB plus of space,
for the new OS folder. Don't expect this to work on a
Win7 Ult C: that has 2GB of space left.

2) If the cloned drive is already patched up to date in
Windows Update, you already have the notification.

3) Do the update to Win10. Doing this step, creates an
activation record at Microsoft, which is stored on
a Microsoft server. It uses a hardware hash of your
computer (basically, tne NIC MAC address) plus your
Windows 7 key as "proof of purchase". Any time a future
install of Win10 occurs, it calls home and looks up
your hardware hash. If an activation record matches
your previous info, Win10 is automatically activated.
So the purpose of steps (1), (2), (3), is to create
an activation record at Microsoft.

Notice that this activation method, is "motherboard
sensitive". If you change out the motherboard, your
activation record is useless, and would require
(1), (2), (3) again.

4) Now, download the Win10 DVD. Using the installer on
there, you can reinstall Windows 10. In the process,
using the custom partitioning tool at the beginning
of the install, you can *erase* the hard drive. Now,
the DVD will do an absolutely clean installation, with
no memory at all of Windows 7. Your hardware hash will
exist for that particular machine, on the Microsoft server,
and so the OS can activate. It takes that NIC MAC
address, looks it up, and finds your "Proof of Purchase".
(Note that I'm using informal descriptive terms here,
mainly to explain the principles involved, without
getting the names and details perfectly right...)

Note that, the Win10 DVD download page has "variant"
behavior. The web page does different things, depending
on what OS "calls" the server. If I download Win10 DVD
from a Win10 browser, I get MediaCreationTool.exe. If
I use my browser on WinXP, I am presented simple ISO9660
files to download. They're "cooked" (encrypted) and
staged for a day on a Microsoft server, so they're not
MSDN quality DVDs. And the first time I attempted to
download, two DVD images were short and corrupted.
(using WinXP to do the download). So there is some
variation in behavior, depending on how you download.
I expect the DVDs are functionally similar, so I don't
know why they do **** like this. I would personally
prefer an MSDN DVD, but if you want one of those,
you'll have to Torrent it.

Have fun,
Paul

Wayne wrote:

I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10 'upgrade'
flag in the task bar.

If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting the
Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you apply all
Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates to Win10?

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 15:53:40 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Wayne wrote:

I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10 'upgrade'
flag in the task bar.

If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting the
Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you apply all
Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates to Win10?

no

On 2015-08-11 10:10, Paul wrote:

If you ever anticipate doing this again, you should
keep a wsusoffline archive around for yourself.

http://download.wsusoffline.net/

Wow, what a nice tool! Back on Win2k I used to download the updates
manually one by one, and I had a batch script I coded which read a list
of the updates to apply and the type of command needed to run them -
there there were several variants of update packages, each with
different command line switches. WHAT A PAIN it was!

Have you used this tool? What happens if I delete some updates from the
folder/ISO it creates? Will it balk and terminate when it finds a
missing update, or will it keep going?

Thanks.
Best Regards,

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B00ze wrote:
On 2015-08-11 10:10, Paul wrote:

If you ever anticipate doing this again, you should
keep a wsusoffline archive around for yourself.

http://download.wsusoffline.net/

Wow, what a nice tool! Back on Win2k I used to download the updates
manually one by one, and I had a batch script I coded which read a list
of the updates to apply and the type of command needed to run them -
there there were several variants of update packages, each with
different command line switches. WHAT A PAIN it was!

Have you used this tool? What happens if I delete some updates from the
folder/ISO it creates? Will it balk and terminate when it finds a
missing update, or will it keep going?

Thanks.
Best Regards,


I didn't really give it a thorough workout.
Just plugged it in and walked away. That
was my test case.

You might check to see if there is a manifest
file it is using as its installation script.
Maybe you can "delete stuff" as long as
you mod the script ? Or mod the script,
in an attempt to do the equivalent of
"hiding" an update ?

I may have looked at the structure in there
at one time, but my memory is pretty short
these days.

The walking away is tailor made for situations
like this, where you're installing just so you
can get an activation record at Microsoft. I may
have used my USB sticks for "test installs"
that weren't for long term use.

When I installed my recently purchased Win7, I did
the 200 updates by hand, reading the description for
each one. And deciding how many of those needed to
be hidden. Since it was a new copy of Win7,
I didn't particularly want to see the GWX notification :-)

Paul

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote:


I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe
, and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff.

I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it?
When? Do I need to go that route?

Thanks


The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update.

The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a

(a) Windows 7 SP1
or
(b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1.


--
Kind regards
Ralph

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:09:07 +1200, Ralph Fox
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote:


I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe
, and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff.

I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it?
When? Do I need to go that route?

Thanks


The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update.

The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a

(a) Windows 7 SP1
or
(b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1.

Thank you

JW

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:29:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:09:07 +1200, Ralph Fox
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote:


I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe
, and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff.

I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it?
When? Do I need to go that route?

Thanks


The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update.

The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a

(a) Windows 7 SP1
or
(b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1.


I instaledl update KB3035583 from my list of unapplied updates as you
suggested above. The update seemingly worked fine. I re-booted, but
still do not see that darned W10 'flag' on the task bar. Maybe it is
because I have W7 Ultimate SP1?

JW

wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:29:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:09:07 +1200, Ralph Fox
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote:

I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe
, and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff.

I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it?
When? Do I need to go that route?

Thanks

The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update.

The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a

(a) Windows 7 SP1
or
(b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1.

I instaledl update KB3035583 from my list of unapplied updates as you
suggested above. The update seemingly worked fine. I re-booted, but
still do not see that darned W10 'flag' on the task bar. Maybe it is
because I have W7 Ultimate SP1?

JW

echo Windows 7 detected...
echo.
set upcheck=3035583
set upcheck=2952664

Try adding that second item to your "mix".

"Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7"
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2952664

The above information was extracted
from win10fix_full.bat .

HTH,
Paul

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:04:24 -0400, Paul wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:29:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:09:07 +1200, Ralph Fox
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote:

I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe
, and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff.

I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it?
When? Do I need to go that route?

Thanks

The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update.

The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a

(a) Windows 7 SP1
or
(b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1.

I instaledl update KB3035583 from my list of unapplied updates as you
suggested above. The update seemingly worked fine. I re-booted, but
still do not see that darned W10 'flag' on the task bar. Maybe it is
because I have W7 Ultimate SP1?

JW

echo Windows 7 detected...
echo.
set upcheck=3035583
set upcheck=2952664

Try adding that second item to your "mix".

"Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7"
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2952664

The above information was extracted
from win10fix_full.bat .

HTH,
Paul
Did all this in command window:
echo Windows 7 detected...
echo.
set upcheck=3035583
set upcheck=2952664

Went to the web site - makes me wonder - I am using the X64 version of
W7 Ultimate.

I'll take a look at win10fix_full.bat

TX

JW

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 10:04:06 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 09:04:24 -0400, Paul wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 08:29:20 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 23:09:07 +1200, Ralph Fox
wrote:

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:09:40 -0400, wrote:

I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare hard
drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I just wanted to play it safe
, and wanted to try W10 without affecting my personal stuff.

I don't see the W10 'upgrade' flag in the task bar. Will I see it?
When? Do I need to go that route?

Thanks

The W10 'upgrade' flag is put there by update KB3035583 from Windows Update
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583

Update KB3035583 is only available through Windows Update.

The minimum requirements to get update KB3035583 a

(a) Windows 7 SP1
or
(b) Windows 8.1 with the April 2014 update rollup for Windows 8.1.

I instaledl update KB3035583 from my list of unapplied updates as you
suggested above. The update seemingly worked fine. I re-booted, but
still do not see that darned W10 'flag' on the task bar. Maybe it is
because I have W7 Ultimate SP1?

JW

echo Windows 7 detected...
echo.
set upcheck=3035583
set upcheck=2952664

Try adding that second item to your "mix".

"Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7"
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2952664

The above information was extracted
from win10fix_full.bat .

HTH,
Paul
Did all this in command window:
echo Windows 7 detected...
echo.
set upcheck=3035583
set upcheck=2952664

Went to the web site - makes me wonder - I am using the X64 version of
W7 Ultimate.

I'll take a look at win10fix_full.bat

TX

JW

I ran win10fix_full.bat
All seems ok - says I have the update.
TX

JW

Wayne wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Wayne wrote:

I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare
hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10
'upgrade' flag in the task bar.

If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting
the Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you
apply all Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates
to Win10?

no

Well, then you won't get the lure flag. It is presented by one, or
more, of the "Windows Update Client" so-called compatibility updates.
Software can't run until it is installed and until loaded in memory.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:41:01 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Wayne wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Wayne wrote:

I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare
hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10
'upgrade' flag in the task bar.

If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting
the Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you
apply all Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates
to Win10?

no

Well, then you won't get the lure flag. It is presented by one, or
more, of the "Windows Update Client" so-called compatibility updates.
Software can't run until it is installed and until loaded in memory.

Since post, I have installed all the updates. Still no 'flag'!

JW

wrote:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2015 14:41:01 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Wayne wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

Wayne wrote:

I created a new 'clean' installation of my W7 Ultimate on a spare
hard drive in order to try the W10 Upgrade. I don't see the W10
'upgrade' flag in the task bar.

If you only did a clean install of Win7 then you won't be getting
the Win10 flag in the task bar. After the clean install, did you
apply all Windows Updates so you got those that are the lure updates
to Win10?

no

Well, then you won't get the lure flag. It is presented by one, or
more, of the "Windows Update Client" so-called compatibility updates.
Software can't run until it is installed and until loaded in memory.

Since post, I have installed all the updates. Still no 'flag'!

After getting all available updates, did you check your update history
to ensure you got the Get Windows 10 app/update that others mentioned?

Could be your hardware is not considered sufficient for Windows 10.
Although you mention using Windows 7 Ultimate, perhaps you have a
[sub]minimal hardware configuration. The assumption is that if your
hardware is capable of running Windows 7/8 then it should be sufficient
to run Windows 10. Some info he

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windo...ations#sysreqs

The "Get Windows 10" app doesn¢t appear in Windows 7 or 8.1
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3081048
which says
"If your edition is Windows 7 Enterprise, this PC is not eligible for
the free Windows 10 upgrade"

The Enterprise edition is volume licensed. The Ultimate edition is
retail or OEM licensed. The same product but different licensing.
However, other users have claimed Windows 7 Ultimate does qualify for
the free Windows 10 upgrade (you get Windows 10 Professional since there
is no Windows 10 Ultimate edition).

Also, since the Win10 lure flag relies on using automated updates to
check availability, perhaps you configured Windows Update to NOT
automatically download and install updates. Tried to run WU after
running WU to get the update checker update? More info at:

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/w...883265b?auth=1

From Microsoft's Q&A page for Windows 10, "We are rolling the upgrades
out in phases to manage high demand and to make sure that your upgrade
is right for your device. You might not have received a notification
because we are working on a specific compatibility fix for your device,
or it could be because of the overall volume of devices upgrading to
Windows 10." So they'll offer it to you when they feel like it.