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Microsoft dirty tricks department again
This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to the
fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in (rather like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent streaming with the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet connection to distribute their updates at your expense - another reason for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how to stop it if you've already downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10. http://goo.gl/e4gImE I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick takes the biscuit. Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to alt.windows7.general -- Bob Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England Inside every old man is a young man wondering what the hell happened. |
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Bob Henson wrote:
trim Microsoft sneaked in a sort of torrent streaming with the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet connection to distribute their updates at your expense. /trim http://goo.gl/e4gImE For those that want to know to where the redirection hyperlink points *BEFORE* they visit the unknown destination, because Google does *not* offer a preview mode to show the redirected destination so the user decide if it's somewhere they want to visit (as does TinyURL), because a goo.gl redirect link's click usage may be tracked in the poster's account plus "All goo.gl URLs and click analytics are public and can be accessed by anyone", and because the Google redirection service can sometimes be painfully slow, the omitted long URL for Bob's article reference is: http://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how-...-the-internet/ Guess Microsoft envied the similar ploy by my ISP, Comcast, to utilize their ignorant customers to provide peered networking. With Comcast when you get a wifi router/modem from them, their hotspot "feature" is enabled by default. This lets Comcast expands their hotspots unless the customer is aware and disables the feature (which requires logging in using their web UI since it is a server-side configured setting). Comcast has put themself in the wardriver's seat. They just got smart and dumped the car while getting their customers to unknowingly provide wifi hotspots for Comcast. I don't consider safe any peering network with unknown operators/owners of the nodes. While [a chunk of] the file is on someone else's host, they can modify it and then deliver something else. Instead of having to hack into your host, they hack the files on their own host. The option to configure this feature to peer only to local hosts may have some value but only if it doesn't self-throttle its traffic as do web sites that need to ensure all connections get some response. I found this section of the article interesting: You Can Also Set Your Connection as Metered You could also set your current Wi-Fi connection as “metered.” When you set a connection as metered, you’re telling Windows it’s a connection with restricted data — such as a mobile data connection or a Wi-FI hotspot from a smartphone you’re tethered to. Windows won’t upload updates on a metered connection — it won’t even automatically download Windows updates. Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to alt.windows7.general FollowUp-To ignored. If the topic was important enough to cross-post then don't be rude in yanking it away from the communities that YOU decided to include in your discussion. If you don't want to continue YOUR discussion somewhere else then don't post somewhere else. |
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Microsoft dirty tricks department again
On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:24:16 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
I don't consider safe any peering network with unknown operators/owners of the nodes. While [a chunk of] the file is on someone else's host, they can modify it and then deliver something else. Instead of having to hack into your host, they hack the files on their own host. With torrents, checksums usually solve that problem. I'm sure MS does something similar. |
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On 8/11/2015 12:24 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
I found this section of the article interesting: You Can Also Set Your Connection as Metered You could also set your current Wi-Fi connection as “metered.” When you set a connection as metered, you’re telling Windows it’s a connection with restricted data — such as a mobile data connection or a Wi-FI hotspot from a smartphone you’re tethered to. Windows won’t upload updates on a metered connection — it won’t even automatically download Windows updates. I consider that insufficient. I have a metered connection that I access over wired ethernet. I had to switch to a wireless connection to the wireless metered intenet to force windows to allow me to set the metered option. Not a serious issue for a test machine, but I wouldn't be willing to do that for any of the machines that require fast interaction via gigabit ethernet. Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon become available. |
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On 12/08/2015 00:08:15, mike wrote:
On 8/11/2015 12:24 PM, VanguardLH wrote: I found this section of the article interesting: You Can Also Set Your Connection as Metered You could also set your current Wi-Fi connection as “metered.” When you set a connection as metered, you’re telling Windows it’s a connection with restricted data — such as a mobile data connection or a Wi-FI hotspot from a smartphone you’re tethered to. Windows won’t upload updates on a metered connection — it won’t even automatically download Windows updates. Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon become available. Perhaps that is the biggest positive of win 10, it a least gives the little guys a chance to earn a few dollars to save the masses. -- mick |
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| Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon
| become available. | I wouldn't depend too much on that. One has to research the details to even *maybe* turn Win10 into something civilized. For instance, MS says you're not allowed to block data being collected. Apparently one can choose not to be spied on while using software, and only have things like error reports sent to MS. But one has to know that and figure out how to do it. Even then, what does all that really mean? Why would anyone trust a company that just sold them a product and included a mickey mouse license claiming they have a right to spy on people who use that product? One has to assume sleaze and dishonesty will follow. |
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Mayayana wrote:
| Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon | become available. | I wouldn't depend too much on that. One has to research the details to even *maybe* turn Win10 into something civilized. For instance, MS says you're not allowed to block data being collected. Apparently one can choose not to be spied on while using software, and only have things like error reports sent to MS. But one has to know that and figure out how to do it. Even then, what does all that really mean? Why would anyone trust a company that just sold them a product and included a mickey mouse license claiming they have a right to spy on people who use that product? One has to assume sleaze and dishonesty will follow. I guess users that are actually upgrading as per the arrangment for the free upgrade currently available for Windows 10 should already be accustomed to Microsoft enabling, by default, the Windows Update service to permit unauthorized and unannounced downloads and background updates. One bankrobber uses a cute and concealable Beretta 9mm and then later uses a Desert Eagle .50 cal that you could use as a metal club after running out of ammo. He simply upgraded to a bigger gun. Once Microsoft starting defaulting to covert updates, it was just a matter of time before they got a bigger gun. When you walk through a cow field without looking, you'll step into cow pies. With more cows, more cow pies. With Windows 10, there are more cow pies. It got worse but it shouldn't be a complete surprise. Users had a cure in the past but, of course, they had to already be aware of the problem. Same goes for Windows 10. Awareness is required for privacy. |
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Bob Henson wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: FollowUp-To ignored. If the topic was important enough to cross-post then don't be rude in yanking it away from the communities that YOU decided to include in your discussion. If you don't want to continue YOUR discussion somewhere else then don't post somewhere else. Just the opposite of being rude - it's considered good netiquette to post a follow up to avoid the duplication of effort for those who read both groups, Oh, so everyone reading your cross-posted article just automatically visits all those newsgroups. Uh huh. You have your "home" newsgroup. That doesn't means others are also visiting your home newsgroup. They visit the newsgroup to which YOU chose to post but then the thread goes dead because replies went elsewhere. Your logic neglects that not everyone will subcribe to and jump to your preferred home newsgroup. Not everyone reading the Win 10 newsgroup is going to subscribe and visit the Win 7 newsgroup. You are rude in making them switch to a *different* newsgroup than where they found your post. So I should switch to a different newsgroup just because you want to continue the conversation somewhere else than YOU started the conversation. Uh huh. Rude. and the confusion that may ensue from trying to follow two versions of the same thread. There are not two versions of the same thread. When cross-posting, replies goes to all cross-posted newsgroups so the threads stay in sync. Using FollowUp-To is an attempt to de-sychronize those threads. Using FollowUp-To guarantees the multiple threads will not be synchronized unless respondents ignore your request to de-sychronize. I don't like cross posting at all, but on this occasion thought that a timely reminder might be appreciated by those who already have Windows 10 and perhaps don't read this group - to give them the chance to turn it off as I did. The problem with cross-posting between Windows newsgroups is pollution. If you visit the mozilla.support.firefox newsgroup, would you really appreciate invasion of posters asking questions or posting announcements about Internet Explorer or Google Chrome? It's a newsgroup to discuss Firefox. Since your post was unrelated to Windows 7, posting there was off-topic and trying to rudely yank the discussion to there was inappropriate. The dirty tricks of which you mention are not behaviors of Windows 7. But then YOU chose to include an unrelated newsgroup in your cross posting. I'm simply not going to permit you to be rude by disconnecting the conversation in the newsgroup I happen to be visiting when I read your post. You shotgunned your post to an unrelated newsgroup. And then you wanted to yank the discussion from the newsgroup where it was on-topic to a newsgroup where the discussion is off-topic. Using the FollowUp-To header is for YOUR convenience, not for the convenience of other Usenetizens that found your article in the other newsgroups. |
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2015-08-12 15:45, VanguardLH wrote: Bob Henson wrote: VanguardLH wrote: You shotgunned your post to an unrelated newsgroup. And then you wanted to yank the discussion from the newsgroup where it was on-topic to a newsgroup where the discussion is off-topic. I wanted to discuss it in the Windows 7 group. I cross posted it, Unrelated to Windows 7 so off-topic. You might want to discuss Windows 98, Linux, gardening, and politics in the Win7 newsgroup, too. Still off-topic. Related, because many Win7 users are contemplating the move to Win10. Don't assume pother posters interests are the same as yours. They might be buying Windows 10 to migrate from Linux or Windows 98, too. I did NOT assume other visitors in the Windows 7 newsgroup has interests the same as mine. You did that: post in the Windows 10 newsgroup about a Windows 10 behavior but then try to yank the discussion away from the Windows 10 newsgroup. Have a good day, You, too. |
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