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Old August 11th 15, 06:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bob Henson[_2_]
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This may be old hat to you folk, but I've only just been alerted to the
fact that Microsoft's Dirty Tricks Department have sneaked in (rather
like the "updates" update sneaked in) a sort of torrent streaming with
the updates in Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet
connection to distribute their updates at your expense - another reason
for avoiding 10 like the plague. Here's how to stop it if you've already
downgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

http://goo.gl/e4gImE

I hope I'm not the only one to think this is about as low as you can
sink? No doubt Microsoft will prove me wrong and pull an even bigger
stroke than this one before too long, but in the interim this trick
takes the biscuit.

Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to
alt.windows7.general

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Inside every old man is a young man wondering what the hell happened.
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Old August 11th 15, 08:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Bob Henson wrote:

trim
Microsoft sneaked in a sort of torrent streaming with the updates in
Windows 10. Microsoft have decided to use your internet connection to
distribute their updates at your expense.

/trim

http://goo.gl/e4gImE


For those that want to know to where the redirection hyperlink points
*BEFORE* they visit the unknown destination, because Google does *not*
offer a preview mode to show the redirected destination so the user
decide if it's somewhere they want to visit (as does TinyURL), because a
goo.gl redirect link's click usage may be tracked in the poster's
account plus "All goo.gl URLs and click analytics are public and can be
accessed by anyone", and because the Google redirection service can
sometimes be painfully slow, the omitted long URL for Bob's article
reference is:

http://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how-...-the-internet/

Guess Microsoft envied the similar ploy by my ISP, Comcast, to utilize
their ignorant customers to provide peered networking. With Comcast
when you get a wifi router/modem from them, their hotspot "feature" is
enabled by default. This lets Comcast expands their hotspots unless the
customer is aware and disables the feature (which requires logging in
using their web UI since it is a server-side configured setting).
Comcast has put themself in the wardriver's seat. They just got smart
and dumped the car while getting their customers to unknowingly provide
wifi hotspots for Comcast.

I don't consider safe any peering network with unknown operators/owners
of the nodes. While [a chunk of] the file is on someone else's host,
they can modify it and then deliver something else. Instead of having
to hack into your host, they hack the files on their own host. The
option to configure this feature to peer only to local hosts may have
some value but only if it doesn't self-throttle its traffic as do web
sites that need to ensure all connections get some response.

I found this section of the article interesting:

You Can Also Set Your Connection as Metered

You could also set your current Wi-Fi connection as “metered.” When
you set a connection as metered, you’re telling Windows it’s a
connection with restricted data — such as a mobile data connection or
a Wi-FI hotspot from a smartphone you’re tethered to. Windows won’t
upload updates on a metered connection — it won’t even automatically
download Windows updates.

Cross posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10 with followup set to
alt.windows7.general


FollowUp-To ignored. If the topic was important enough to cross-post
then don't be rude in yanking it away from the communities that YOU
decided to include in your discussion. If you don't want to continue
YOUR discussion somewhere else then don't post somewhere else.
  #3  
Old August 11th 15, 09:11 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default Microsoft dirty tricks department again

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:24:16 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

I don't consider safe any peering network with unknown operators/owners
of the nodes. While [a chunk of] the file is on someone else's host,
they can modify it and then deliver something else. Instead of having
to hack into your host, they hack the files on their own host.


With torrents, checksums usually solve that problem. I'm sure MS does
something similar.


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Old August 12th 15, 12:08 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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On 8/11/2015 12:24 PM, VanguardLH wrote:


I found this section of the article interesting:

You Can Also Set Your Connection as Metered

You could also set your current Wi-Fi connection as “metered.” When
you set a connection as metered, you’re telling Windows it’s a
connection with restricted data — such as a mobile data connection or
a Wi-FI hotspot from a smartphone you’re tethered to. Windows won’t
upload updates on a metered connection — it won’t even automatically
download Windows updates.


I consider that insufficient. I have a metered connection that I access
over wired ethernet.
I had to switch to a wireless connection to the wireless metered intenet
to force windows to allow me to set the metered option.
Not a serious issue for a test machine, but I wouldn't be willing to do
that for any of the machines that require fast interaction via gigabit
ethernet.

Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon
become available.

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Old August 12th 15, 01:34 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
mick
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On 12/08/2015 00:08:15, mike wrote:
On 8/11/2015 12:24 PM, VanguardLH wrote:


I found this section of the article interesting:

You Can Also Set Your Connection as Metered

You could also set your current Wi-Fi connection as “metered.” When
you set a connection as metered, you’re telling Windows it’s a
connection with restricted data — such as a mobile data connection or
a Wi-FI hotspot from a smartphone you’re tethered to. Windows won’t
upload updates on a metered connection — it won’t even automatically
download Windows updates.



Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon
become available.


Perhaps that is the biggest positive of win 10, it a least gives the
little guys a chance to earn a few dollars to save the masses.

--
mick
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Old August 12th 15, 02:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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| Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon
| become available.
|

I wouldn't depend too much on that. One has
to research the details to even *maybe* turn
Win10 into something civilized. For instance, MS says
you're not allowed to block data being collected.
Apparently one can choose not to be spied on while
using software, and only have things like error
reports sent to MS. But one has to know that and
figure out how to do it. Even then, what does all that
really mean? Why would anyone trust a company that
just sold them a product and included a mickey mouse
license claiming they have a right to spy on people
who use that product? One has to assume sleaze
and dishonesty will follow.


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Old August 12th 15, 07:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Mayayana wrote:

| Hopefully, the third party apps to disable all this MS crap will soon
| become available.
|

I wouldn't depend too much on that. One has
to research the details to even *maybe* turn
Win10 into something civilized. For instance, MS says
you're not allowed to block data being collected.
Apparently one can choose not to be spied on while
using software, and only have things like error
reports sent to MS. But one has to know that and
figure out how to do it. Even then, what does all that
really mean? Why would anyone trust a company that
just sold them a product and included a mickey mouse
license claiming they have a right to spy on people
who use that product? One has to assume sleaze
and dishonesty will follow.


I guess users that are actually upgrading as per the arrangment for the
free upgrade currently available for Windows 10 should already be
accustomed to Microsoft enabling, by default, the Windows Update service
to permit unauthorized and unannounced downloads and background updates.

One bankrobber uses a cute and concealable Beretta 9mm and then later
uses a Desert Eagle .50 cal that you could use as a metal club after
running out of ammo. He simply upgraded to a bigger gun. Once
Microsoft starting defaulting to covert updates, it was just a matter of
time before they got a bigger gun.

When you walk through a cow field without looking, you'll step into cow
pies. With more cows, more cow pies. With Windows 10, there are more
cow pies.

It got worse but it shouldn't be a complete surprise. Users had a cure
in the past but, of course, they had to already be aware of the problem.
Same goes for Windows 10. Awareness is required for privacy.
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Old August 12th 15, 07:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Bob Henson wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

FollowUp-To ignored. If the topic was important enough to cross-post
then don't be rude in yanking it away from the communities that YOU
decided to include in your discussion. If you don't want to continue
YOUR discussion somewhere else then don't post somewhere else.


Just the opposite of being rude - it's considered good netiquette to
post a follow up to avoid the duplication of effort for those who read
both groups,


Oh, so everyone reading your cross-posted article just automatically
visits all those newsgroups. Uh huh. You have your "home" newsgroup.
That doesn't means others are also visiting your home newsgroup. They
visit the newsgroup to which YOU chose to post but then the thread goes
dead because replies went elsewhere.

Your logic neglects that not everyone will subcribe to and jump to your
preferred home newsgroup. Not everyone reading the Win 10 newsgroup is
going to subscribe and visit the Win 7 newsgroup. You are rude in
making them switch to a *different* newsgroup than where they found your
post. So I should switch to a different newsgroup just because you want
to continue the conversation somewhere else than YOU started the
conversation. Uh huh. Rude.

and the confusion that may ensue from trying to follow two
versions of the same thread.


There are not two versions of the same thread. When cross-posting,
replies goes to all cross-posted newsgroups so the threads stay in sync.
Using FollowUp-To is an attempt to de-sychronize those threads. Using
FollowUp-To guarantees the multiple threads will not be synchronized
unless respondents ignore your request to de-sychronize.

I don't like cross posting at all, but on
this occasion thought that a timely reminder might be appreciated by
those who already have Windows 10 and perhaps don't read this group - to
give them the chance to turn it off as I did.


The problem with cross-posting between Windows newsgroups is pollution.
If you visit the mozilla.support.firefox newsgroup, would you really
appreciate invasion of posters asking questions or posting announcements
about Internet Explorer or Google Chrome? It's a newsgroup to discuss
Firefox.

Since your post was unrelated to Windows 7, posting there was off-topic
and trying to rudely yank the discussion to there was inappropriate.
The dirty tricks of which you mention are not behaviors of Windows 7.
But then YOU chose to include an unrelated newsgroup in your cross
posting. I'm simply not going to permit you to be rude by disconnecting
the conversation in the newsgroup I happen to be visiting when I read
your post.

You shotgunned your post to an unrelated newsgroup. And then you wanted
to yank the discussion from the newsgroup where it was on-topic to a
newsgroup where the discussion is off-topic.

Using the FollowUp-To header is for YOUR convenience, not for the
convenience of other Usenetizens that found your article in the other
newsgroups.
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Old August 13th 15, 03:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Wolf K wrote:

On 2015-08-12 15:45, VanguardLH wrote:
Bob Henson wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

You shotgunned your post to an unrelated newsgroup. And then you wanted
to yank the discussion from the newsgroup where it was on-topic to a
newsgroup where the discussion is off-topic.

I wanted to discuss it in the Windows 7 group. I cross posted it,


Unrelated to Windows 7 so off-topic. You might want to discuss Windows
98, Linux, gardening, and politics in the Win7 newsgroup, too. Still
off-topic.


Related, because many Win7 users are contemplating the move to Win10.
Don't assume pother posters interests are the same as yours.


They might be buying Windows 10 to migrate from Linux or Windows 98,
too. I did NOT assume other visitors in the Windows 7 newsgroup has
interests the same as mine. You did that: post in the Windows 10
newsgroup about a Windows 10 behavior but then try to yank the
discussion away from the Windows 10 newsgroup.

Have a good day,


You, too.
 




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