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  #1  
Old August 20th 18, 01:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
slate_leeper
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have
searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none
of which have worked.

When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks
if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it
cleans Edge and deletes cookies.

Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing
happens. Edge has been restarted.

Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at
least not under that name.

Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they
can only be renamed by Trusted Installer.

By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background
apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are
re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he
https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/

That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different
entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that,
of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.)

Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just
annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is
never used.

-dan z-



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a nice contrast to the real world.
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  #2  
Old August 20th 18, 02:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On 8/19/2018 5:39 PM, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have
searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none
of which have worked.

When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks
if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it
cleans Edge and deletes cookies.

Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing
happens. Edge has been restarted.

Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at
least not under that name.

Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they
can only be renamed by Trusted Installer.

By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background
apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are
re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he
https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/

That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different
entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that,
of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.)

Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just
annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is
never used.

-dan z-



If trusted installer is your only problem, try PowerRun

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Changelog:

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2. [Added] - GUI
3. [Added] - Drag and drop support
4. [Added] - Run with Parameter , Startup Windows state features
5. [Added] - Jump the registry key feature
6. [Added] - Create a vbs or Bat file feature
7. [Added] - Cmd support Updated
8. [Added] - Language support

-------------------------------------------------------

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with the same privileges as the TrustedInstaller it has No GUI
  #3  
Old August 20th 18, 02:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have
searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none
of which have worked.

When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks
if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it
cleans Edge and deletes cookies.

Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing
happens. Edge has been restarted.

Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at
least not under that name.

Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they
can only be renamed by Trusted Installer.

By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background
apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are
re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he
https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/

That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different
entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that,
of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.)

Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just
annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is
never used.

-dan z-


Isn't there a package called "Software Restriction Policy" ?

I thought you could do major damage to onboard software,
by simply denying it execution privileges. Then, no matter
how many Task Scheduler or Autorun tricks they try, the policy
is always there waiting for them.

"Meanwhile, if you want to lock down Edge, you could try
to use the built-in "Don't run specified Windows Applications"
policy setting:

User Configuration
Administrative Templates
System
"Don't run specified Windows Applications"
"

And you could try that on Win10 Pro using GPEdit.msc

The SRP blurb is something like:

"The problem is resolved when SRP

GPO
User Configuration
Windows Settings
Security Settings
Software Restriction Policies
Enforcement

is set to "All software files except libraries (such as DLLs)"
instead of "All software files".
"

So that has something to do with some IT guys settings for MSEdge.

There was some other security hole, that a clever individual
closed with SRP. There was the ole autorun.inf problem on optical
discs. Microsoft tightened the autorun policy, but left optical
discs open in terms of running such. Some USB sticks use a composite
device, with a fake optical drive behind it, and one of those
(a U3 stick?) could use autoruns. Some individual figured out
they could prevent *anything* from opening an autorun by
blocking "@autorun" or similar.

I've never done anything with this stuff, so have no practical
experience to offer. That's just a few war stories in passing.

Paul
  #4  
Old August 20th 18, 06:40 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

Paul wrote:

slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have
searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none
of which have worked.

When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks
if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it
cleans Edge and deletes cookies.

Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing
happens. Edge has been restarted.

Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at
least not under that name.

Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they
can only be renamed by Trusted Installer.

By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background
apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are
re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he
https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/

That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different
entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that,
of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.)

Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just
annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is
never used.

-dan z-


Isn't there a package called "Software Restriction Policy" ?


SRP rules are hashed in the registry. Yes, you could create your own
SRP rules in the registry but good luck figuring out what hash to use.
I mention this only because the Home editions of Windows do not include
the group policy editor (GPE). You use the GPE to create SRPs.

The OP never identified which edition of Windows 10 he is using. He
needs the Pro or Enterprise or Education editions to have the policy
editor. Many 3rd party security tools include process blockers, too.

The value of the SRP rule defined in the registry is encrypted to
prevent casual modification of policies by a user-mode process. I
remember trying to define SRP rules in the registry but gave up because
of the protections. I'd need the GPE to get it done.

However, probably better to know what causes Edge to load. HTAs (HTML
Applications) relied on using IE's libraries. Since IE is deprecated,
does the OS not direct such calls to the Edge libraries? If the OP
manages to prevent Edge from loading, he might be killing the usability
of some other program.

"Meanwhile, if you want to lock down Edge, you could try
to use the built-in "Don't run specified Windows Applications"
policy setting:

User Configuration
Administrative Templates
System
"Don't run specified Windows Applications"


If the GPE is available so it can be used to define SRP rules, I'd just
first try to define a Path block SRP rule on the .exe for Edge to see if
that keeps it from loading.

One of the reasons Edge keeps loading is to check for updates. Taking
away control for when Windows and Edge will update is the normal
behavior in Windows 10, similar to how Google thinks all its users just
must want Google Chrome to update simply because, gee, there's a new
version available from Google. Updating for Google Chrome can be
thwarted but it takes some digging.

Google Chrome can run "web apps". By default, Chrome will allow these
apps to continue running in the background although the user thinks they
have exited Chrome. You have to go into Chrome's settings to disable
the backgrounding of web apps started within Chrome. Edge can do the
same thing: run web apps in the background despite having exited Edge.

The OP could try the following:

- Enter "setting" in the start button on the home screen.
- Pick "Privacy".
- In the left panel, pick "Background Apps".
- In the right panel is a list of all apps currently installed. There's
probably a LOT more apps than just Edge configured to run in the
background.
- Find the Edge app and disable it from running in the background.
- Do the same for all other apps to which you do not need immediately
access as loading them without using them just means wasting memory.
There is an option "Let apps run in the background" that you can
disable for all apps acquired from Microsoft's Store (which
disqualifies Edge, and also any Win32 apps).
  #5  
Old August 20th 18, 07:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ben Myers[_11_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On 8/19/2018 8:39 PM, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have
searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none
of which have worked.

When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks
if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it
cleans Edge and deletes cookies.

Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing
happens. Edge has been restarted.

Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at
least not under that name.

Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they
can only be renamed by Trusted Installer.

By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background
apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are
re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he
https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/

That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different
entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that,
of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.)

Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just
annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is
never used.

-dan z-


Try Autoruns.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns

Download and unzip the program, right-click "autoruns.exe", select "Run
as Administrator", click on the "Logon" tab and see if Edge is listed.
If it is, uncheck it.

Ben

  #6  
Old August 20th 18, 07:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

Ben Myers wrote:
On 8/19/2018 8:39 PM, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have
searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none
of which have worked.

When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks
if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it
cleans Edge and deletes cookies.

Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing
happens. Edge has been restarted.

Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at
least not under that name.

Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they
can only be renamed by Trusted Installer.

By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background
apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are
re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he
https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/

That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different
entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that,
of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.)

Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just
annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is
never used.

-dan z-


Try Autoruns.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...loads/autoruns

Download and unzip the program, right-click "autoruns.exe", select "Run
as Administrator", click on the "Logon" tab and see if Edge is listed.
If it is, uncheck it.

Ben


You will find some things though, if you untick them,
and you come back later, they're re-ticked again. Autoruns
is great for "naive" apps that are not actively working
against you. Consumer-antagonistic applications will just
tick the box again... and laugh at you.

Paul

  #7  
Old August 20th 18, 11:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mechanic
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:39:39 -0400, slate_leeper wrote:

I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I
have searched via Google and found various suggestions or
"solutions," none of which have worked.


[etc]

Maybe you should think more laterally; why not embrace Edge as the
current/future standard Windows browser? What alternative is there?
It's very quick to open (compare to IE or Chrome or Firefox) with
useful additions available for ad blocking and so on. Improvements
continue as Windows releases new versions (Redstone 4, 5 and so on).
  #8  
Old August 20th 18, 12:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Joskin
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On 20/08/2018 01:39, slate_leeper wrote:
I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I have
searched via Google and found various suggestions or "solutions," none
of which have worked.

When I run ccleaner, it asks if I want to stop Edge. Yes. It then asks
if I want to force it to exit. Yes. Ccleaner than runs, shows that it
cleans Edge and deletes cookies.

Run ccleaner again in just a couple of minutes, and the same thing
happens. Edge has been restarted.

Edge is not listed in the startup folders or in Task Scheduler, at
least not under that name.

Agent Ransack finds four instances of MicrosoftEdge.exe. However they
can only be renamed by Trusted Installer.

By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background
apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are
re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he
https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/

That no longer stops Edge, however. Task Manager shows five different
entries under Microsoft Edge. End Task does stop them. However that,
of course, only lasts until the next reboot (or maybe even less.)

Anyone know how to do it? Note, this is not a critical thing. It just
annoys me that I have to waste resources running a program that is
never used.

-dan z-



Try Settings Privacy Background Apps - turn off Edge - see if that
helps.
  #9  
Old August 20th 18, 02:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

"VanguardLH" wrote

| However, probably better to know what causes Edge to load. HTAs (HTML
| Applications) relied on using IE's libraries. Since IE is deprecated,
| does the OS not direct such calls to the Edge libraries? If the OP
| manages to prevent Edge from loading, he might be killing the usability
| of some other program.
|

I don't know any reason that associating with
HTAs would cause Edge to run in the background.
It doesn't do that to IE. But my understanding is
that the main reason for IE to still be around is to
accommodate uses like HTAs and Web Browser
ActiveX controls. All of that functionality has been
stripped from Edge in order to make it safer. That's
why you can set compat mode for a domain and make
IE11 show it like IE, but you can't do that with Edge.
The functionality simply isn't there.

I haven't experimented, but I'm guessing that
Edge also doesn't accommodate automation and
shell integration. With IE it's possible to hook into
any running instance programmatically (including
HTAs) and access the "document" object. That
could be an interesting experiement to see what all
those Edge instances are up to, but it's likely that
the method won't work with Edge.

For anyone who's interested, I have a component he

https://www.jsware.net/jsware/compfiles.php5#jsshl

The ActiveX EXE version is designed to work with
Windows 64-bit. It's not something that beginners
can use but there are docs explaining the methods,
which should be clear to anyone familiar with webpage
document objects.
jsShell is a component for accessing shell and
Active Accessibility. It has a method
GetIEDocFromHandle that returns the document object
of any window of class Internet Explorer_Server, which
means anything that contains an IE browser window.
(IE, an HTA, a pre-XP folder window, a browser window
in 3rd party software, etc)
The browser part itself is an Internet Explorer_Server
class window.
jsShell also has methods to enumerate open windows, get
their handles and class names, titles, enumerate child
windows, etc.

If the Edge browser window is not Internet
Explorer_Server it could still offer an accessible
document object, but there's a good chance it doesn't.
If it *could* be accessed that would provide a
way to know the URL loaded and the content of
whatever is in the browser window.

Of course, what do you do after you find out
that 4 Edge instances are calling home and running
scripts from microsoft.com? If you can't stop them,
anyway, then it's an academic exercise.... as is any
attempt to civilize Win10, it seems. But if Paul has
no plans today then maybe we'll get the skinny on
this.


  #10  
Old August 20th 18, 02:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
slate_leeper
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:40:14 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

- In the right panel is a list of all apps currently installed. There's
probably a LOT more apps than just Edge configured to run in the
background.

Only four are shown:
Mail & Calendar
Microsoft Photos
Microsoft Store
Movies & TV
plus the "let apps run in the background" toggle.

They are and have been all turned off. This has no effect on Edge.


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  #11  
Old August 20th 18, 02:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
slate_leeper
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 02:09:31 -0400, Ben Myers
wrote:

Try Autoruns.

Yup, tried that. No obvious listing. I also used the filter function
entering "edge." Nothing found.



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  #12  
Old August 20th 18, 02:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
slate_leeper
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:39:19 +0100, Joskin
wrote:

Try Settings Privacy Background Apps - turn off Edge - see if that
helps.



Thanks, but from my original post:

By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background
apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are
re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he
https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/

That no longer stops Edge, however. ----------




--
Someone who thinks logically provides
a nice contrast to the real world.
(Anonymous)
  #13  
Old August 20th 18, 03:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

slate_leeper wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

- In the right panel is a list of all apps currently installed. There's
probably a LOT more apps than just Edge configured to run in the
background.


Only four are shown:
Mail & Calendar
Microsoft Photos
Microsoft Store
Movies & TV
plus the "let apps run in the background" toggle.

They are and have been all turned off. This has no effect on Edge.


https://windowsreport.com/microsoft-...lways-running/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiS20IBsORI

Hmm, maybe something changed in a release since that article of Dec 2017
and video of Nov 2017.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klCCksJeGYo

That's dated May 2018 and still shows the Edge app as a background-able
app that can be disabled. I see posts in web forums dated 2 months ago
also saying to disable backgrounding for Edge; i.e., Edge is listed as a
backround-able app. Someone even upload a pic of the config on June 3
at:

https://imgur.com/TvBlNvG

Someone reported that Edge was missing in the apps list but appeared
after a W10 Creators update back around Oct 2017. You didn't mention
which version of W10 you have. The article you mentioned says the
background disable got broke in 1803. Guess users will have to wait to
see if Microsoft decides to fix it. I started hunting around for an
issue tracking site for Windows 10 but didn't find it before having to
end this reply to do something else.

Have you tried renaming the folder where is the Edge program? I think
it is under C:\Windows\SystemApps\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wek yb3d8bbwe.
If that doesn't work, are SRPs available to you (that Paul first
mentioned and upon which I expounded)? Looks like Microsoft is
discontinuing SRPs; see:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...moved-features

Instead you are expected to use Applocker or Windows Defender's
Application Control (which seems retro to 3rd party firewalls that had a
similar process control feature). I haven't used WDAC to know if
Microsoft let it control Edge.

https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/mic...ation-control/

Despite Edge being listed as a loaded process in Task Manager, is it
Suspended? Suspended processes don't consume CPU cycles. Any memory it
uses can be released immediately (moved to disk) when needed for
something else. Loaded doesn't mean running. Suspending a process has
been available since Windows 7 (where I use SysInternals' Process
Explorer to right-click on a process to suspend it). In Windows 10,
Resource Monitor can suspend/resume a process.
  #14  
Old August 20th 18, 04:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:16:57 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:39:39 -0400, slate_leeper wrote:

I never use Microsoft Edge. Yet I can't stop it from running. I
have searched via Google and found various suggestions or
"solutions," none of which have worked.


[etc]

Maybe you should think more laterally; why not embrace Edge as the
current/future standard Windows browser?


IMO, the only thing Edge has going for it is that it wears the crown as
worst browser, which it stole from IE by being, well, worse. It does,
however, work great to download a better browser.

What alternative is there?
It's very quick to open (compare to IE or Chrome or Firefox) with
useful additions available for ad blocking and so on. Improvements
continue as Windows releases new versions (Redstone 4, 5 and so on).


I like the question about alternatives because it's followed by a list
of (better) alternatives. :-)

  #15  
Old August 20th 18, 05:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default How do you permanently stop Microsoft Edge?

slate_leeper wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:39:19 +0100, Joskin
wrote:

Try Settings Privacy Background Apps - turn off Edge - see if that
helps.



Thanks, but from my original post:

By the way, in researching this I learned that "disable background
apps" in the current Win-10 version is also not permanent. They are
re-enabled during reboot. The cure for that is he
https://winaero.com/blog/disable-bac...-version-1803/

That no longer stops Edge, however. ----------


If the consensus is, from all the posters
in the thread, that all the controls have been
neutered, that leaves "going nuclear".

Remove something that MSEdge GUI needs, but
any engine components don't need. And change
the file name from some.exe to some.exe.bak
with the rename capability.

People don't like it when I suggest that method.
Which is why I tried to suggest "tamer, more official"
routes, than going nuclear. The idea with the SRP,
was if the idea worked, it might survive an OS Upgrade.

I successfully neutered Windows Update using file renaming,
causing a VM image of Windows 10 to remain stuck at 16299.
Neutering stuff does work, but it isn't always easy. And
in the fullness of time, it could be very difficult to
make it work. Microsoft doesn't really have to do much of
anything to "tighten" up the OS. They now have all
the weapons needed. All they need, is an excuse.

If the OS is to be tightened, it will be tightened
after an OS Upgrade. That's the most likely time
to change how the OS works, rather than something
like that showing up on Patch Tuesday.

Paul
 




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