Location in W7

In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!
I don't know if the problem is in W7, connection details or the
modem/router.
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On 25/09/2018 21:29, PeterC wrote:
In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!
I don't know if the problem is in W7, connection details or the
modem/router.

Most BBC videos that are available are for UK residents only due to
Licensing agreements with suppliers in foreign countries. I understand
some cable companies are buying BBC programs and so they need to recover
their costs. therefore, you can't download or play them if you are in a
foreign country.

The solution is to use a UK based VPN or if you are not a refugee with
skills that we need such as Medicine or IT then you can relocate to the UK.

Some videos can be found on YouTube posted by Pirates such as that
homosexual Johnson & his partner WhetherMan, Terry ****er Pinney and
others.

Therefore the problem is your location. Don't mess around with your
machine or router because you can't do it that way.

Good luck.


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PeterC wrote:

In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!

Whether you have an account with them (why your username appears) or not
is irrelevant to them deciding to restrict some of their content based
on region. If you aren't in the UK then they won't show you all their
content. Just like the message says, some of their content is available
only to those connecting to them who are in the UK. You aren't in the
UK, so you don't get to see those videos. Hunt elsewhere for the same
content but it could be content the BBC contracted for them to be the
only place or among a select few to have that content.

https://www.google.com/search?q=geol...20ip%20address

EVERY host knows what IP address you used to connect to them. That's
required to know to what host to establish a session and to where to
send the acknowledgement and requested content from them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/faqs/website_changes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/in_the_uk_message

On 9/25/2018 1:29 PM, PeterC wrote:
In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!
I don't know if the problem is in W7, connection details or the
modem/router.


If you are indeed in the UK, are you using some kind of anti-tracking
software (e.g., Secret Agent)?

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Trump, Roseanne Barr, and Elon Musk.

PeterC wrote:
In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!
I don't know if the problem is in W7, connection details or the
modem/router.

If you visit this page, it requests Geolocation info. There
should be a band at the top of the browser, requesting permission
to return location info to the server. When I tested this just now,
the browser didn't stand out well, and I nearly missed it.

https://www.infobyip.com/browsergeolocation.php

That's not the only mechanism, but it's one of them.
You don't want to enable that for every site all at
once. Such a site could also set a cookie which could
leak your location later - you know how sneaky the web is.

*******

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3C_Geolocation_API

Location sources
...

IP Address Location

Location is detected based on nearest Public IP Address on
a device (which can be a computer, the router it is connected
to, or the ISP the router uses). The location depends on the
IP information available, but in many cases where the IP is
hidden behind Internet Service Provider NAT, the accuracy is
only to the level of a city, region or even country.

Using a site such as whatismyIP, you can probably get
the public IP you're using right now. (Usage of a VPN to
defeat the notion of geolocation, could actually defeat
"appearing" to be in your own country.)

https://www.whatismyip.com/

Take the IPV4 address returned by that page, then
edit this URL and place your address on the end in its
place.

http://www.speedguide.net/ip/220.33.134.145

So if whatismyip returned 1.2.3.4, you'd want

http://www.speedguide.net/ip/1.2.3.4

The "head office" of your ISP usually appears in the
returned result. For a large ISP, the head office can even
be in another country, which fouls up the attempts at
geolocation for a desktop computer situation. Mobile
devices usually leak a lot more info one way or another.
(There may be some way to get Wifi info from them,
which provides a more local estimate.)

Paul

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:46:04 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

PeterC wrote:

In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!

Whether you have an account with them (why your username appears) or not
is irrelevant to them deciding to restrict some of their content based
on region. If you aren't in the UK then they won't show you all their
content. Just like the message says, some of their content is available
only to those connecting to them who are in the UK. You aren't in the
UK, so you don't get to see those videos. Hunt elsewhere for the same
content but it could be content the BBC contracted for them to be the
only place or among a select few to have that content.

https://www.google.com/search?q=geol...20ip%20address

EVERY host knows what IP address you used to connect to them. That's
required to know to what host to establish a session and to where to
send the acknowledgement and requested content from them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/faqs/website_changes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/in_the_uk_message

Thanks for the links.

If I moved much further into the UK I'd be starting to move outwards again -
30 miles from the centre!
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The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 16:52:29 -0700, David E. Ross wrote:

On 9/25/2018 1:29 PM, PeterC wrote:
In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!
I don't know if the problem is in W7, connection details or the
modem/router.


If you are indeed in the UK, are you using some kind of anti-tracking
software (e.g., Secret Agent)?

Not on the system. Two of the browsers are pretty well 'out of the box', so
nothing on those.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 20:53:35 -0400, Paul wrote:

OK, apologies for top-posting.

Very useful sites, thank you.
Pale Moon default couldn't share location so no Lat/Long., but using the IP
address gave Warrington then the next step showed a big town a few miles
from me, so that's OK.
PM Portable was similar, in spite of very few tweeks and a vanilla prefs.js
apart from some GUI changes.

Firefox 62 ESR has v. few changes (mainly because the few extensions
available either don't work or are a bit broken). It went through the whole
process correctly.

Looks as if my system is OK for location so there might be a default setting
in PM that stops location - I'll ask on the Forum.

PeterC wrote:
In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!
I don't know if the problem is in W7, connection details or the
modem/router.

If you visit this page, it requests Geolocation info. There
should be a band at the top of the browser, requesting permission
to return location info to the server. When I tested this just now,
the browser didn't stand out well, and I nearly missed it.

https://www.infobyip.com/browsergeolocation.php

That's not the only mechanism, but it's one of them.
You don't want to enable that for every site all at
once. Such a site could also set a cookie which could
leak your location later - you know how sneaky the web is.

*******

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W3C_Geolocation_API

Location sources
...

IP Address Location

Location is detected based on nearest Public IP Address on
a device (which can be a computer, the router it is connected
to, or the ISP the router uses). The location depends on the
IP information available, but in many cases where the IP is
hidden behind Internet Service Provider NAT, the accuracy is
only to the level of a city, region or even country.

Using a site such as whatismyIP, you can probably get
the public IP you're using right now. (Usage of a VPN to
defeat the notion of geolocation, could actually defeat
"appearing" to be in your own country.)

https://www.whatismyip.com/

Take the IPV4 address returned by that page, then
edit this URL and place your address on the end in its
place.

http://www.speedguide.net/ip/220.33.134.145

So if whatismyip returned 1.2.3.4, you'd want

http://www.speedguide.net/ip/1.2.3.4

The "head office" of your ISP usually appears in the
returned result. For a large ISP, the head office can even
be in another country, which fouls up the attempts at
geolocation for a desktop computer situation. Mobile
devices usually leak a lot more info one way or another.
(There may be some way to get Wifi info from them,
which provides a more local estimate.)

Paul


--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:29:29 +0100, PeterC wrote:

In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!
I don't know if the problem is in W7, connection details or the
modem/router.


None of these.

The BBC checks your IP address against a database to see which country
the IP address belongs to. Your ISP allocates your IP address to you.

A. If you are not actually in the UK, then that is the problem.

B. If you are using a VPN or anonymizer to hide your IP address,
then that is the problem.

C. Otherwise, it could be that the database is not up to date.
Run this test:

1. Go to
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~w...n/printenv.cgi
and note down your (external) IP address which is on the line
beginning "REMOTE_ADDR:".

2. Now visit several of the IP address locator sites below, and
enter that IP address into the search box to find which
country the site believes your IP address belongs to.

2.1 https://www.ip2location.com/free.asp
2.2 https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup
2.3 https://www.ipligence.com/geolocation
2.4 http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/
2.5 https://www.maxmind.com/en/home
2.6 http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/

Five of these six sites correctly identified that I am in
New Zealand. But one site thought I was in South Korea.


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Ralph

On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:07:25 +1200, Ralph Fox wrote:

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:29:29 +0100, PeterC wrote:

In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!
I don't know if the problem is in W7, connection details or the
modem/router.

None of these.

The BBC checks your IP address against a database to see which country
the IP address belongs to. Your ISP allocates your IP address to you.

A. If you are not actually in the UK, then that is the problem.

B. If you are using a VPN or anonymizer to hide your IP address,
then that is the problem.

C. Otherwise, it could be that the database is not up to date.
Run this test:

1. Go to
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~w...n/printenv.cgi
and note down your (external) IP address which is on the line
beginning "REMOTE_ADDR:".

Got that - it agrees with GRC (Gibson)
host-**-**-**-**.as13285.net
https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

2. Now visit several of the IP address locator sites below, and
enter that IP address into the search box to find which
country the site believes your IP address belongs to.

2.1 https://www.ip2location.com/free.asp
2.2 https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup
2.3 https://www.ipligence.com/geolocation
2.4 http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/
2.5 https://www.maxmind.com/en/home
2.6 http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/

Five of these six sites correctly identified that I am in
New Zealand. But one site thought I was in South Korea.

Four are in the correct county, one of them being only about 10 - 15 miles
from the centre of England; two are Warrington in the NW of England and one
is in The Hague!

--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On 26/09/2018 17:48, PeterC wrote:
host-**-**-**-**.as13285.net

A Talktalk IP I think.

--

Brian Gregory (in England).

PeterC wrote:

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:46:04 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

PeterC wrote:

In all 3 browsers there are some videos on the BBC that tell me:
"Available to UK users only."

At the top it has my username!

Whether you have an account with them (why your username appears) or not
is irrelevant to them deciding to restrict some of their content based
on region. If you aren't in the UK then they won't show you all their
content. Just like the message says, some of their content is available
only to those connecting to them who are in the UK. You aren't in the
UK, so you don't get to see those videos. Hunt elsewhere for the same
content but it could be content the BBC contracted for them to be the
only place or among a select few to have that content.

https://www.google.com/search?q=geol...20ip%20address

EVERY host knows what IP address you used to connect to them. That's
required to know to what host to establish a session and to where to
send the acknowledgement and requested content from them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/faqs/website_changes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/in_the_uk_message

Thanks for the links.

If I moved much further into the UK I'd be starting to move outwards again -
30 miles from the centre!

They don't know where YOU are. They only know where the IP pool is
located from which you get assigned an IP address. Do a geolocation on
your current WAN-side (Internet) IP address.

To get your WAN-side IP address and its geolocation, use:
https://www.iplocation.net/find-ip-address

For me, the geolocation shows I am in a city that is 388 miles away from
where I really am at home. My ISP assigns the WAN-side of their cable
modem an IP address from their IP pool whose geolocation is way over in
that other city.

Where YOU are is unknown (but can be guessed more accurately using cell
tower triangulation with your cell phone along with GPS coordinates). A
site only knows your IP address you used when connecting to them, and
geolocation data on an IP address depends on where the IP pools is homed
from which you get assigned an IP address from your ISP.

If you enabled geolocation services within your web browser and if a
site uses that geolocation from your web browser then a site can better
(more narrowly) determine your location. However, if your host cannot
get at the other geo sources, the site only knows your IP address. "All
3 web browsers" doesn't actually say which ones you tried, nor does it
state if geolocation is enabled or disabled in them.

https://developers.google.com/maps/d...location/intro

PeterC wrote:
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:07:25 +1200, Ralph Fox wrote:
[...]
2. Now visit several of the IP address locator sites below, and
enter that IP address into the search box to find which
country the site believes your IP address belongs to.

2.1 https://www.ip2location.com/free.asp
2.2 https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip-lookup
2.3 https://www.ipligence.com/geolocation
2.4 http://www.ipaddresslocation.org/
2.5 https://www.maxmind.com/en/home
2.6 http://www.ip-adress.com/ip_tracer/

Five of these six sites correctly identified that I am in
New Zealand. But one site thought I was in South Korea.

Four are in the correct county, one of them being only about 10 - 15 miles
from the centre of England; two are Warrington in the NW of England and one
is in The Hague!

The Hague!? You stole MY IP!

BTW, is the wrong one (The Hague) given by this one:

2.3 https://www.ipligence.com/geolocation

That one places me in Rome, which is not too bad! :-)

On 26/09/2018 19:47, VanguardLH wrote:
If you enabled geolocation services within your web browser and if a
site uses that geolocation from your web browser then a site can better
(more narrowly) determine your location. However, if your host cannot
get at the other geo sources, the site only knows your IP address. "All
3 web browsers" doesn't actually say which ones you tried, nor does it
state if geolocation is enabled or disabled in them.

We're in the Windows 7 group here. What you're describe normally only
applies only to mobile devices.

Plus the BBC, Netflix and so on that are intending to block you if
you're in the wrong part of the world. Therefore they will use only the
IP to locate you. The rest is all too easily faked or spoofed.

--

Brian Gregory (in England).

Brian Gregory wrote:

On 26/09/2018 19:47, VanguardLH wrote:
If you enabled geolocation services within your web browser and if a
site uses that geolocation from your web browser then a site can better
(more narrowly) determine your location. However, if your host cannot
get at the other geo sources, the site only knows your IP address. "All
3 web browsers" doesn't actually say which ones you tried, nor does it
state if geolocation is enabled or disabled in them.

We're in the Windows 7 group here. What you're describe normally only
applies only to mobile devices.

Wrong. Web browsers can call Google's geolocation API to get better
coordinates than just from an IP address. What other devices are
accessible depends on what type of devices you have in your network.
Maybe some are wifi APs or wifi routers whose locations are known.

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/...eolocation_API

Web browsers on desktop PCs (which don't have GPS radios or connect to
cell towers) can still call the Google API for geolocation. For
example, even you know there are database apps telling you where to find
wi-fi hotspots. They're popular because users want to know where they
can go to get to the next wi-fi hotspot (instead of using up their
cellular data quota). Comcast users that have not requested (and
achieved) deactivation of the xfinitywifi hotspot in Comcast's wifi
modem are also databased along with other hotspots. Since the locations
of the wi-fi hotspots are known then your location is known when using
one (you have to be within 300 feet of the hotspot). Accuracy is
determined by what the web browser can find on your host and in your
network. The last fallback is to use the IP address which is the most
inaccurate (of course, could be you do happen to be in the vicinity for
the mapping of that IP pool, and if using a mapped wi-fi hotspot then
location is pretty accurate).

Even if geolocation is enabled within a web browser, many can save
per-site perferences. If the user previously rejected a site to use
geolocation, the web browser remembers that choice upon revisit to the
same site. The user would have to disable geolocation or purge the web
browser's local cache, like its site preferences cache.

Plus the BBC, Netflix and so on that are intending to block you if
you're in the wrong part of the world. Therefore they will use only the
IP to locate you. The rest is all too easily faked or spoofed.

And why you need to use an IP address gotten from elsewhere. There are
lots of public (and private) proxies that could be used to circumvent IP
region blocking. However, often the proxies restrict what type of
content they will pass. For example, some will not pass Javascript code
within a page, so what you get is a Javascript-neutered web page, and
since many commercial sites won't work without Javascript then you
cannot get or use their web page. Some won't pass video content (files
or streaming), so using a proxy could still block the videos the OP was
trying to get from the site. There are blacklists of proxies, so sites
can block those from letting you connect to their site. You try a
workaround but they workaround your workaround.