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  #16  
Old October 17th 18, 03:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Alexander Shofner-Geidt
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Default Latest Windows 10 Update vs. Notepad

VanguardLH

Alexander Shofner-Geidt wrote:

VanguardLH

Alexander Shofner-Geidt wrote:

I use Notepad everyday [...]


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You sure you are using Notepad and not WordPad?


Insert emoticon for "Where'd you find this asshole?"




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Old October 17th 18, 05:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default Latest Windows 10 Update vs. Notepad

On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 09:50:13 -0600, KenW wrote:

Hasn't everyone switched to Notepad ++ ?




Of course not (but you undoubtedly know that). Most people have never
even heard of it.

Even I haven't switched to it. Yes, it's better than Notepad. I have
it installed, and it's there for when I need its capabilities, but in
the great majority of situations my text editing needs are very slight
and the very simple Notepad is fine for me.

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Old October 17th 18, 07:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default Latest Windows 10 Update vs. Notepad

Alexander Shofner-Geidt wrote:

VanguardLH

Alexander Shofner-Geidt wrote:

VanguardLH

Alexander Shofner-Geidt wrote:

I use Notepad everyday [...]


snipped the Google diatribe

You sure you are using Notepad and not WordPad?

Insert emoticon for "Where'd you find this asshole?"




snipped all the loser drivel and snibbling


See how well your attitude has engendered helpful replies from others?
You act indignant that you got back the attitude you gave. A child's
reaction.
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Old October 18th 18, 12:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Louis Fabron
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Default Latest Windows 10 Update vs. Notepad

VanguardLH wrote:

See how well your attitude has engendered helpful replies from others?
You act indignant that you got back the attitude you gave. A child's
reaction.


Seems to me his reaction is the same as your typical reaction VanguardLH.
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Old October 18th 18, 02:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Alexander Shofner-Geidt
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Default Latest Windows 10 Update vs. Notepad

Alexander Shofner-Geidt:

I use Notepad everyday, all through the day, consistently since the
Windows 9x days of lore and legend - back when it was the wild and wooly
web, when you had only the two knobs, horizontal and vertical, to turn
in order to make images on the screen and if you made a mistake, you had
to turn it upside down and shake it to start all over... or so it
seems... anyway,

As of Windows 10 update to Version 1809, OS Build 17763.1; and its
subsequent "fix" to Version 1809, OS Build 17763.55, Notepad's code got
corrupted.

With Notepad's Format set to Word Wrap, Randomly, when I copy text to
Notepad, at the line break, it will randomly cut a word in the interior
of the word and continue the word on the next line. Any attempt to
correct it and reconnect the word on the appropriate line results in a
bevy of cascading format errors which requires a manual edit of the
entire paragraph, line by line.

This has to be traceable to some minor change some programmer made to
the Notepad code in this latest major update from v1803 to v1809, right?

Can somebody close to Mr. Bill Gates ask him to correct this as soon as
possible because it sure is costing me a lot of time?

(I can't believe NOBODY else has experienced this boogaboo... but
perhaps Google is complicit in yet another #Globalist coverup to divert
the collective American attention to a non-existant "Russian collusion"
delusion whilst Google is helping the Chinese and Latin American
countries invade and control our country using weak-minded #Democrats in
political positions to pave our ultimate demise while they chase their
ephemeral 'personal power complex[es]'...)

Notepad users, UNITE! This is full-on crisis mode.

Thanks in advance.



Notice how I said "I use Notepad almost everyday"...

Then some moron says "You sure you are using Notepad and not WordPad?"

And then starts chopping and insulting me and my original post!?!

Very bad netiquette!

S/he/it/them could simply edit out any extraneous information, from
h/er/is/its/their perspective and proceed with an intelligent and civil
request/response for clarification -- if indeed a responsive inquiry was
sincere... But OH NO! S/he/it/them just has to be a jerk, and probably
still stalks my posts making orthogonal remarks.


For the record: I was able to identify the cause of the widespread issue
and the work-around solution.



Alexander Shofner-Geidt wrote:

VanguardLH

Alexander Shofner-Geidt wrote:

VanguardLH

Alexander Shofner-Geidt wrote:

I use Notepad everyday [...]


snipped the Google diatribe

You sure you are using Notepad and not WordPad?

Insert emoticon for "Where'd you find this asshole?"




snipped all the loser drivel and snibbling


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Old October 18th 18, 10:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Latest Windows 10 Update vs. Notepad

Alexander Shofner-Geidt wrote:

Notice how I said "I use Notepad almost everyday"...

Then some moron says "You sure you are using Notepad and not WordPad?"


Nobody here has the source to Notepad to edit it
for you. It's not likely that a post here will
result in any tangible change. Come back in two
years, Notepad will be just as bad.

So by posting here, you were expecting some kind of
response. What kind of response were you expecting ?

The Notepad feature set has been feeble for 20 years,
and only recently did they do something about it.
But, on the other hand, that doesn't imply they're
taking ownership or interested in listening to
input. Any more than the "heavily promoted" MSEdge
browser is anywhere near feature complete. And they've
been working on that for years.

*******

I tested Notepad in Windows 10. This is what I noticed.

1) Notepad freezes up when enabling Word Wrap on any
sort of large file. This is to be expected. However,
with the sloppy wrapping function visible today, you'd
expect that was done to change the O() behavior
of the tool. And it still freezes up. So that's
not why it wraps the way it does. It's not a speed
optimization. You shouldn't use word-wrap on 500MB
files. I don't think any algorithm is available for
this that is O(0). Word-wrap will never scale well.
And I don't think that's how you're using it anyway,
as you did not complain about freeze/crash. Don't waste
your time testing word-wrap on large files. You'll
just end up hammering the task in Task Manager.

2) Wikipedia describes two algorithms for "word wrap".
One is "greedy lines", where the edges of the text
are ragged, but the method tried to use as few
lines as possible. For long words, this has the
nice "pouring" behavior, where words are not split
on syllables or anything.

The second method is "least ragged text", where the
sum of the squares of end-white-space is minimized,
and line breaks are selected so that there won't be
a lot of "short lines", as they would add a lot to
the sum of squares.

Some methods are claimed to be O(n^2), while there is
an area of research that gives O(n) behavior. But the
Wikipedia article doesn't describe what the output of
the O(n) method looks like.

When I tested some random text (with a few really long words)
in Win10, the algorithm defied description, because some
of what it was doing was not conventional wrap. And it was
flipping back and forth between solutions as the line length
changed. (Not the same kind of flipping you see with
the "greedy" algorithm used on other things. The greedy
method pours around corners.)

The conclusion would be, for applications requiring
word wrap, a different tool will be needed. One that
follows conventions. What it's doing right now, isn't
wrapping. It's "Glad-tie-and-toss algorithm". I have
random number generators here that would do a better
job.

Then it would depend on whether you considered the
normal Microsoft choice of "greedy" for their other
tools, was an acceptable solution.

*******

Note that when editing in Unicode mode, you can use
some particular (i.e. non-conventional) characters
for wrap control when you want a fixed table. But
don't expect this to work. Other methods include
"Shift+Enter" and "Ctrl+Shift+Space". The latter two
symbols may be too new for any tool to support them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline

NEL: Next Line, U+0085
LS: Line Separator, U+2028
PS: Paragraph Separator, U+2029

You could spend hours figuring out which
knobs Notepad supports, and whether they
apply to your editing task.

Paul
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Old October 24th 18, 07:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Bad Bob
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On 10/16/18 08:03, nospam wrote:
In article , Alexander
Shofner-Geidt wrote:


Can somebody close to Mr. Bill Gates ask him to correct this as soon as
possible because it sure is costing me a lot of time?


mr. bill gates is no longer running microsoft and most likely doesn't
give a **** about notepad.


nobody at micro-shaft gives a **** about customers any more.


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