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I see the 64 bit OS finally killed DOS
It also seemed to kill a lot of old 32 bit windows software that will
not even run in compatibility mode. XP did not seem to have a problem with any of my old stuff except dBase that wants to do direct writes to the disk. DOSBOX to the rescue. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Win%203.1%2...207%20suit.jpg |
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I see the 64 bit OS finally killed DOS
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It also seemed to kill a lot of old 32 bit windows software that will not even run in compatibility mode. XP did not seem to have a problem with any of my old stuff except dBase that wants to do direct writes to the disk. DOSBOX to the rescue. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Win%203.1%2...207%20suit.jpg Virtual Machines would work too like free VirtualBox. -- Quote of the Week: "Ants never sleep." --Ralph Waldo Emerson, poet Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.ma.cx. Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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I see the 64 bit OS finally killed DOS
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On Sat, 08 Jun 2019 15:01:57 -0500, NT (Ant) wrote: wrote: It also seemed to kill a lot of old 32 bit windows software that will not even run in compatibility mode. XP did not seem to have a problem with any of my old stuff except dBase that wants to do direct writes to the disk. DOSBOX to the rescue. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Win%203.1%2...207%20suit.jpg Virtual Machines would work too like free VirtualBox. DOSBOX seems to do OK for what I am doing here. It is pretty easy to set up and once you get into that environment it is pretty close to real DOS. I did load up a drive the other day with DOS 6.3 and W/3.1 just to be sure a couple of my programs were working right. It was a bit nostalgic when I recreated the environment on my desk at work in 1996 when I backed up that machine on my way out the door. One thing DOSBOX won't do is load ANSI.SYS and allow all of those "Prompt" tricks. It does run a whole lot faster on a 2.4gz machine than that 25mz 486 I was running tho. You can install the same OS twice on the hard drive, using the same key. You could install an x86 version for your legacy software collection, and an x64 version for when you want to use the maximum amount of RAM. I haven't tested dual boot of different bitness, for boot loader issues. You could also use separate drives, one for each. Paul |
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I see the 64 bit OS finally killed DOS
gfretwell wrote:
It also seemed to kill a lot of old 32 bit windows software that will not even run in compatibility mode. XP did not seem to have a problem with any of my old stuff except dBase that wants to do direct writes to the disk. DOSBOX to the rescue. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Win%203.1%2...207%20suit.jpg "The 64-bit OS". Which one is that? Since you posted in a Windows XP newsgroup, are you talking about Windows XP x64? That really isn't Windows XP. Because of the pressure to get out a 64-bit workstation version of Windows, Microsoft cheated. They crippled Windows 2000 Server x64, put on the Windows XP GUI, and called it Windows XP x64. Many programs won't run on server platforms, so they wouldn't run on Windows XP x64 aka Windows 2003 Server crippled with alternate desktop. All NT-based versions of Windows do not permit direct hardware access. They aren't 9X-based with switching between the 9x- and DOS-kernels. If you want to run something that wants direct memory access, you need to run it inside an emulator. DOSBOX is one. VirtualBox and VMplayer are VMMs (Virtual Machine Managers) in which you would run a DOS guest OS (e.g., FreeDOS) in a virtual machine on your Win7 host OS. |
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I see the 64 bit OS finally killed DOS
On Sat, 08 Jun 2019 18:59:45 -0400, Paul
wrote: You can install the same OS twice on the hard drive, using the same key. You could install an x86 version for your legacy software collection, and an x64 version for when you want to use the maximum amount of RAM. I haven't tested dual boot of different bitness, for boot loader issues. You could also use separate drives, one for each. How esy is it to get, say, a laptop, with a 32-bit OS? Mine came with a set of DVDs with the 32-bit version, but that was 8 years ago -- does that still happen today? -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com |
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I see the 64 bit OS finally killed DOS
Steve Hayes wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jun 2019 18:59:45 -0400, Paul wrote: You can install the same OS twice on the hard drive, using the same key. You could install an x86 version for your legacy software collection, and an x64 version for when you want to use the maximum amount of RAM. I haven't tested dual boot of different bitness, for boot loader issues. You could also use separate drives, one for each. How esy is it to get, say, a laptop, with a 32-bit OS? Mine came with a set of DVDs with the 32-bit version, but that was 8 years ago -- does that still happen today? Depending on your supplier, you can have it done for you. For example, Eurocom could do that for you. And they're transparent about it, with the material cost of custom OS costing around $200 or so. There will be a line item for the concierge service. The HP/Dell/Acer of the world, the high volume manufacturers, are less likely to cater to every possible preference. For the machines that have a custom order page, you'd have to check the option list. Computers don't normally come with discs, and instead the user finds content on the HDD that can be used to make recovery discs. The Eurocom came with discs, because it was pretty obvious they weren't a "Royalty OEM" shop like a Dell or HP. They would be using System Builder OEM or Retail boxed software. And that's why authentic discs were provided. Dell and HP learned a long time ago, that customers take delivery, don't like the machine, the customer "pockets" the media and sends the system back, and then it's missing the discs. To stop that, this is why Dell and HP have recovery partitions. And you burn your own copies. You can get media. But the Microsoft download page requires a license key, as part of the dialog. Heidoc can be used to get around this, if you needed a Win7 disc. The discs available this way, are whatever is available on TechBench (Vista is not on there any more, Win7 is getting very close to being eliminated). The disc is authentic and the download actually comes from a Microsoft CDN. This software just bypasses the license key step, and allows more OEM users to get a matching SKU of media (as an ISO). Naturally, using Microsoft discs, there won't be any drivers. Please don't waste the URLs generated, as getting the Win7 downloads to work for this software developer, is a lot harder than it used to be. https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool Download: Windows-ISO-Downloader.exe Version: 8.15 Release Date: 1 June 2019 Requirements: Windows 7 or newer, .NET Framework 4.x, Internet Explorer 8 or newer. That program doesn't have to do the download. The "value" part of the exercise, is it generates a URL pointing to a .iso file on the Microsoft site. There are two buttons in the interface, "copy to buffer", that copy the URL so you can paste the URL into a real browser. Using the x64 and x86 URLs, you can get yourself a pair of discs matching the license key you own. To give a worked example, the COA sticker on my OEM laptop has a license key. If I go to the "official" download page, and I type in that key, it will tell me to **** off and go to Acer to get media. (And of course Acer has no intention of doing that!) Using the Heidoc tool, I don't need a license key to get media. I generate two URLs, paste them into two Firefox windows, and the download begins. And after an hour or two, I have two ISO files. My laptop was Win7 Home Premium, so in the Heidoc thing, I would be searching for Win7 Home Premium, since the COA sticker is going to be Win7 Home Premium too. Some System Builder packets, only come with the one disc inside. I think there were some Retail OS boxes with two discs inside. There isn't a lot of Retail class products any more. MS likes to sell the System Builder ones (which have their own weird rules of usage that most people are ignoring). Paul |
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