Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

In article
GreyCloud wrote:

On 10/05/2016 08:48 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , GreyCloud
wrote:
Two words: Windows Update. They need to fix that. Computer constantly
writing to disk gigabytes of data is *not acceptable*.
And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing nothing... You need at
least 2GB to fire up program without having to swap out....
That is 64 bit version. I guess that for 32 bit version you need half
of that...

who cares. memory is cheap, as is disk space.

But not on a new iMac.

on any mac or pc, new or old.

Not on the 4k models. All sealed up. Wife's got one.


You can't even get inside on the 4k model.

so what? there's no reason to get inside.

To update after the realization that it needs a faster hard drive or
just rip out the hard drive and install an SSD?


You either select all that should be in the mac or live with its
slowness. And memory from Apple has never been cheap, and neither are
their hard drives or SSDs.

apple's memory prices are competitive with other makers such as dell,
lenovo and in particular, hp, who is actually *more* expensive than
apple.


At least twice as much as the rest.

In article , Silver Slimer wrote:


The more they accumulate, the slower the computer gets.

nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect
speed.

Theoretically, that's true.

not just theoretically, but in reality.

http://www.theeldergeek.com/disk_cleanup_utility.htm

"To keep a PC running smoothly, regular maintenance is critical. Many
users shy away from maintenance tasks, thinking it is a long, drawn
out manual affair, but the Disk Cleanup Utility can easily determine
which files on a hard drive may no longer be needed and delete those
files. In addition to freeing up potentially significant amounts of
hard drive space, using Disk Cleanup on a regular basis can
significantly improve system performance."

don't believe everything you read.

In article , GreyCloud
wrote:

The more they
accumulate, the slower the computer gets.

nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect speed.


It does over time. After 4 years and updates on win7, it does start to
slow down. It's the registry that the system has to paw thru serially
on boot up.

registry issues have nothing to do with stuff that hasn't been deleted.

In article , GreyCloud
wrote:



Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
prompt then?

because something is wrong with your system, and instead of trying to
diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather bitch and moan.

it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a 2008 macbook i
happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which still is not the latest and
greatest), terminal launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
double-click terminal and there's a prompt.


It was right there on my old 2007 iMac. On this new one it seems to
take forever.

then something is wrong.

Also, on boot up, and logging into my account, it seems that all the
services are very slow in starting up. I may have to call up Apple on
this one, since I have paid support.

yes you do.

In article , GreyCloud
wrote:


who cares. memory is cheap, as is disk space.

But not on a new iMac.

on any mac or pc, new or old.

Not on the 4k models. All sealed up. Wife's got one.

that doesn't affect price.

You can't even get inside on the 4k model.

so what? there's no reason to get inside.

To update after the realization that it needs a faster hard drive or
just rip out the hard drive and install an SSD?

most people never bother.

You either select all that should be in the mac or live with its
slowness. And memory from Apple has never been cheap, and neither are
their hard drives or SSDs.

apple's memory prices are competitive with other makers such as dell,
lenovo and in particular, hp, who is actually *more* expensive than
apple.

At least twice as much as the rest.

nope.

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nospam wrote:

In article , GreyCloud
wrote:

Regardless of what Mac heads tell you, OS X is slow no matter what
kind of processor or amount of memory you throw at it.

benchmarks show that to be complete rubbish.

Apple is happy
to see you spend the money but reward you with nothing at all. I
recall getting my parents to pay for a 4GB upgrade on their Mac Mini
to bring the total to 8GB. There's a 5400 RPM HD in there but even
that kind of old technology would work relatively well with Linux or
Windows on it. On the Mac? Disgusting. My parents felt _no change_
from 4GB to 8GB despiet assurances from zealots that the experience
would be fantastic.

that only means that you weren't memory bound.

Maybe things will change once the filesystem is
replaced (did it happen yet?) but I doubt it; optimization is
something absolutely no one at Apple can even spell much less implement.

nonsense.

Why does the Apple Terminal program take 7 seconds to finally show a
prompt then?

because something is wrong with your system, and instead of trying to
diagnose the issue and resolve it, you'd rather bitch and moan.

it takes about 1-2 seconds to cold-launch terminal on a 2008 macbook i
happen to have, while on 2013 mac (which still is not the latest and
greatest), terminal launches instantly. it's too fast to even measure.
double-click terminal and there's a prompt.

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On 2016-10-06 1:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-06 6:44 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-05 8:05 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/05/2016 03:08 PM, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Melzzzzz wrote:

Two words: Windows Update. They need to fix that. Computer
constantly writing to disk gigabytes of data is *not
acceptable*. And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing
nothing... You need at least 2GB to fire up program
without having to swap out.... That is 64 bit version. I
guess that for 32 bit version you need half of that...

who cares. memory is cheap, as is disk space.


But not on a new iMac. You can't even get inside on the 4k
model. You either select all that should be in the mac or live
with its slowness. And memory from Apple has never been cheap,
and neither are their hard drives or SSDs.

Apple and its users have always been proud to tell us that you
need to buy a specific brand of RAM for the Mac if you want to
maintain stability. It seemed pretty lame at the time that I
owned Macs (2003-2005) but I think that it's still the same story
today. Meanwhile, the PC actually offers you the opportunity to
put whatever RAM you want in there.

It's bull****. You heard one guy once tell you that.

To be honest, I don't really care if you believe me. However, web
forums at the time were very clear in telling you that you had to buy
whatever brand Apple uses or else you were exposing yourself to
problems. It turned out to be garbage, but it seems that zealots at
the time were not as honest as today's edition.

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Islam is a disease
Gab.AI: @silverslimer
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In article , Silver Slimer wrote:


Apple and its users have always been proud to tell us that you
need to buy a specific brand of RAM for the Mac if you want to
maintain stability. It seemed pretty lame at the time that I
owned Macs (2003-2005) but I think that it's still the same story
today. Meanwhile, the PC actually offers you the opportunity to
put whatever RAM you want in there.

It's bull****. You heard one guy once tell you that.

To be honest, I don't really care if you believe me. However, web
forums at the time were very clear in telling you that you had to buy
whatever brand Apple uses or else you were exposing yourself to
problems. It turned out to be garbage, but it seems that zealots at
the time were not as honest as today's edition.

web forums are your reference?

you're an idiot.

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On 2016-10-06 3:33 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Silver Slimer
wrote:


The more they accumulate, the slower the computer gets.

nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect
speed.

Theoretically, that's true.

not just theoretically, but in reality.

http://www.theeldergeek.com/disk_cleanup_utility.htm

"To keep a PC running smoothly, regular maintenance is critical.
Many users shy away from maintenance tasks, thinking it is a
long, drawn out manual affair, but the Disk Cleanup Utility can
easily determine which files on a hard drive may no longer be
needed and delete those files. In addition to freeing up
potentially significant amounts of hard drive space, using Disk
Cleanup on a regular basis can significantly improve system
performance."

don't believe everything you read.

Which is why I'm joyfully disregarding everything you write.

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Silver Slimer
Islam is a disease
Gab.AI: @silverslimer
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In article
Alan Baker wrote:

On 2016-10-06 6:44 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-05 8:05 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/05/2016 03:08 PM, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Melzzzzz wrote:

Two words: Windows Update. They need to fix that. Computer
constantly writing to disk gigabytes of data is *not
acceptable*. And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing
nothing... You need at least 2GB to fire up program without
having to swap out.... That is 64 bit version. I guess that
for 32 bit version you need half of that...

who cares. memory is cheap, as is disk space.


But not on a new iMac. You can't even get inside on the 4k model.
You either select all that should be in the mac or live with its
slowness. And memory from Apple has never been cheap, and neither
are their hard drives or SSDs.

Apple and its users have always been proud to tell us that you need to
buy a specific brand of RAM for the Mac if you want to maintain
stability. It seemed pretty lame at the time that I owned Macs
(2003-2005) but I think that it's still the same story today.
Meanwhile, the PC actually offers you the opportunity to put whatever
RAM you want in there.

It's bull****. You heard one guy once tell you that.

nospam wrote:

In article , GreyCloud
wrote:

The more they
accumulate, the slower the computer gets.

nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect speed.


It does over time. After 4 years and updates on win7, it does start to
slow down. It's the registry that the system has to paw thru serially
on boot up.

registry issues have nothing to do with stuff that hasn't been deleted.

Idiot. Stuff which hasn't been deleted has Registry entries. In some cases
*hundreds* of entries for a single application

The registry is loaded into memory at boot time, and it stays there. And it
*grows* with every installed application

Do you idiots *ever* get something technical right?

On 2016-10-06 1:43 PM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-06 1:33 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-06 6:44 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-05 8:05 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
On 10/05/2016 03:08 PM, nospam wrote:
In article ,
Melzzzzz wrote:

Two words: Windows Update. They need to fix that. Computer
constantly writing to disk gigabytes of data is *not
acceptable*. And Win 10 takes 1-1.5GB of RAM sitting doing
nothing... You need at least 2GB to fire up program
without having to swap out.... That is 64 bit version. I
guess that for 32 bit version you need half of that...

who cares. memory is cheap, as is disk space.


But not on a new iMac. You can't even get inside on the 4k
model. You either select all that should be in the mac or live
with its slowness. And memory from Apple has never been cheap,
and neither are their hard drives or SSDs.

Apple and its users have always been proud to tell us that you
need to buy a specific brand of RAM for the Mac if you want to
maintain stability. It seemed pretty lame at the time that I
owned Macs (2003-2005) but I think that it's still the same story
today. Meanwhile, the PC actually offers you the opportunity to
put whatever RAM you want in there.

It's bull****. You heard one guy once tell you that.

To be honest, I don't really care if you believe me. However, web
forums at the time were very clear in telling you that you had to buy
whatever brand Apple uses or else you were exposing yourself to
problems. It turned out to be garbage, but it seems that zealots at
the time were not as honest as today's edition.

Well then if the answer was found in web forums, you should have no
trouble providing a couple of examples...

On 2016-10-06 2:49 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
nospam wrote:

In article , GreyCloud
wrote:

The more they
accumulate, the slower the computer gets.

nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect speed.


It does over time. After 4 years and updates on win7, it does start to
slow down. It's the registry that the system has to paw thru serially
on boot up.

registry issues have nothing to do with stuff that hasn't been deleted.

Idiot. Stuff which hasn't been deleted has Registry entries. In some cases
*hundreds* of entries for a single application

Which has nothing to do with deleting FILES. Uninstalling applications,
perhaps...

....but that wasn't what was under discussion:

'The remaining problem is that after updating, Windows keeps the UPDATE
FILES on the hard disk for God knows what reason.'


The registry is loaded into memory at boot time, and it stays there. And it
*grows* with every installed application

Do you idiots *ever* get something technical right?

In article
GreyCloud wrote:

On 10/05/2016 08:48 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Silver Slimer wrote:


Like I said before, it has already been resolved with forced updates.
The remaining problem is that after updating, Windows keeps the update
files on the hard disk for God knows what reason.

that's to be able to undo the update in case there are any problems,
which is a very good idea and since disk space is cheap, who cares, and
it eventually auto-deletes anyway (i think it's 10 days).

The more they
accumulate, the slower the computer gets.

nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect speed.


It does over time. After 4 years and updates on win7, it does start to
slow down. It's the registry that the system has to paw thru serially
on boot up. Delete a program here and there and install a few new
programs, and the registry starts to get bigger and bigger. The
uninstall procedure varies from vendor to vendor, so not all registry
items are deleted. This makes the registry get fatter over the years.

Alan Baker wrote:

On 2016-10-06 2:49 PM, Peter Köhlmann wrote:
nospam wrote:

In article , GreyCloud
wrote:

The more they
accumulate, the slower the computer gets.

nonsense. it only takes up disk space. it doesn't affect speed.


It does over time. After 4 years and updates on win7, it does start to
slow down. It's the registry that the system has to paw thru serially
on boot up.

registry issues have nothing to do with stuff that hasn't been deleted.

Idiot. Stuff which hasn't been deleted has Registry entries. In some
cases *hundreds* of entries for a single application

Which has nothing to do with deleting FILES. Uninstalling applications,
perhaps...

...but that wasn't what was under discussion:

'The remaining problem is that after updating, Windows keeps the UPDATE
FILES on the hard disk for God knows what reason.'


And the registry contains links to those files