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In article , Snit
wrote:


PDF is evil, Windows users avoid that Apple-based ****.

LOL! So you have no method on Windows. OK.

Oh, and PDF is an Adobe product, not Apple.

not anymore it isn't. pdf is an official iso standard.

True... but it started with Adobe and they still are the de facto standard.

pdf started with adobe, but it *not* adobe anymore nor is it a de facto
standard.

it's an official iso standard, iso 32000-1:2008:
https://www.iso.org/standard/51502.html

But the idea it is "Apple" is sorta silly.

it's not silly at all. it's an amazing level of ignorance and stupidity.

This is similar to the MS Office file formats -- they are open but MS is
still the de facto standard.

ms office is not an official iso standard nor will it ever be.

there are also a bunch of them. sometimes even microsoft's own apps
can't read certain variants.

In article , Snit
wrote:

Before and after OS X, I found exactly the opposite. Windows users
including
myself just can't understand how to use Macs. They look like something
designed for kids to play with. They're like tablets, no settings
available
anywhere, everything fluffed over to make it "simple" so it's impossible
to
actually do anything.

nonsense. there are extensive settings and in fact, are more
configurable than windows systems. with unix under the hood, someone
could do pretty much anything.

Instead of a count of settings I think it makes more sense to look at the
type of tasks people do and what they are likely to want to get those tasks
done.

true, but trolls don't care about tasks. they only look at which number
is bigger.

I have seen that often. Heck, look at Linux "advocates" and how they are so
happy to have so much "choice" of desktop environments but so hesitant to
talk about tasks they think desktop Linux handles well.

it's not just linux. people often cite specs to 'prove' one product is
better than the other.

more gigahertz, more pixels, more buttons, whatever it is. at the end
of the day, it makes very little difference.

it's not like anyone can even tell what the specs of the computer that
was used to produce a photo, video, brochure or whatever else.

Windows does have some features macOS does not, at least not easily or
without third party software. Setting volume per program, for example, is
easier on Windows (though can be done with third party programs on macOS).

and macs have features windows doesn't.

pick the best tool for the job.

Absolutely agree. I tend to use Macs but also use Windows and Linux. For
others: use what you like and what you think will serve you well. I do not
get the religious fervor of many over what OS they use. Just silly to me.

i use all platforms.

In article , James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:

PDF is evil, Windows users avoid that Apple-based ****.

LOL! So you have no method on Windows. OK.

We don't make a habit of using PDF. That's for Apple users.

your ignorance knows no bounds.

Oh, and PDF is an Adobe product, not Apple.

Apple and Adobe have always ben in bed together.

nonsense.

That's why Apple users love
Photoshop.

as do windows users.

photoshop's user base is roughly half mac, half windows.



And what's more (older?) Mac OS
versions wouldn't even let you copy and paste a file!

because that's a very stupid way to move files, and dragging is faster.

On Thu, 04 May 2017 20:42:18 +0100, Snit wrote:

On 5/4/17, 12:39 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2017 20:21:26 +0100, Snit wrote:

On 5/4/17, 12:11 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

I'm also not fluent in any other language, but I speak a small bit of
German, Spanish, French, and Italian (Italian the most, since I've
traveled in Italy extensively). No Tagolog; my guitar teacher is
Philippine, but he speaks English fluently, perhaps better than he
speaks Tagolog.

I grew up Jewish

That explains why you're so stupid.

Wow... that is pretty extreme bigotry.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is.

Why?

Anyone who thinks god exists is a
complete and utter moron. And just now you said you believed in science.....

Irrelevant.

Science is not compatible with religion. One requires intelligence, the other requires childish stupidity.

I think it is hogwash to look at
different groups and rate them by IQ, but if you want to use such nonsense
look to see where Ashkenazi are found on such lists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Jews are all pedantic lawyer types. We'd be better off without them.

And more of your bigotry. Heck, read the page and see what areas they are
mentioned in.

I'm still waiting t hear why you think bigotry is wrong.

BUT, that does not show how all Jews or even all Ashkenazi are. Yes, I am
Ashkenazi but I am NEVER going to pretend that makes me better than others
or whatever.

If you are religious, you're a fool.

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The probability that a given thread has degenerated into a ****ing contest is directly proportional to its number of replies.

On Thu, 04 May 2017 20:45:52 +0100, Snit wrote:

On 5/4/17, 12:36 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2017 20:17:30 +0100, Snit wrote:

On 5/4/17, 12:02 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2017 19:23:29 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On 5/4/17, 11:10 AM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

...
Neither do I, of course. If I had, I wouldn't have known it should
have been "proofread."

I wasn't castigating him for the error; note the vbg.

No offense was taken... and it is rather funny to make a mistake with
the
word "proofread".


Yes, my point exactly.

Why do you call it a mistake? Proofread and proof read mean the same.

Using onelook.com I do not see the "proof read" variant, nor doing a
quick
Google search. I accept it as an error.

It's just an alternative. What else could it mean? I am reading it again
for
proof it is correct, so proof read.

Da' fakt dat hit kan B undrestood dose knot mene et iz korekt.

Correct is meaningless if it works.

I think my above sentence is a good example of why that is not the case.

I had no trouble reading it. So what was your point?

One that went over your head.

You claimed it was wrong to write like you did, yet I read it perfectly. You failed miserably like you always do.

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Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway

On 5/4/17, 12:49 PM, in article ,
"nospam" wrote:

In article , Snit
wrote:


PDF is evil, Windows users avoid that Apple-based ****.

LOL! So you have no method on Windows. OK.

Oh, and PDF is an Adobe product, not Apple.

not anymore it isn't. pdf is an official iso standard.

True... but it started with Adobe and they still are the de facto standard.

pdf started with adobe, but it *not* adobe anymore nor is it a de facto
standard.

What makes you think the Acrobat Reader is no longer the de facto standard?

it's an official iso standard, iso 32000-1:2008:
https://www.iso.org/standard/51502.html

Not in contention.

But the idea it is "Apple" is sorta silly.

it's not silly at all. it's an amazing level of ignorance and stupidity.

I would say ignorance... but not stupidity. No reason for everyone to know
these things.

This is similar to the MS Office file formats -- they are open but MS is
still the de facto standard.

ms office is not an official iso standard nor will it ever be.

there are also a bunch of them. sometimes even microsoft's own apps can't read
certain variants.

I am speaking of the "Office Open XML File Formats" which are ISO standards
and for which MS Office is the de facto standard tool for working with them.

https://www.iso.org/standard/51463.html


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On 5/4/17, 12:49 PM, in article ,
"nospam" wrote:

In article , Snit
wrote:

Before and after OS X, I found exactly the opposite. Windows users
including myself just can't understand how to use Macs. They look like
something designed for kids to play with. They're like tablets, no
settings available anywhere, everything fluffed over to make it "simple"
so it's impossible to actually do anything.

nonsense. there are extensive settings and in fact, are more configurable
than windows systems. with unix under the hood, someone could do pretty
much anything.

Instead of a count of settings I think it makes more sense to look at the
type of tasks people do and what they are likely to want to get those tasks
done.

true, but trolls don't care about tasks. they only look at which number
is bigger.

I have seen that often. Heck, look at Linux "advocates" and how they are so
happy to have so much "choice" of desktop environments but so hesitant to
talk about tasks they think desktop Linux handles well.

it's not just linux. people often cite specs to 'prove' one product is
better than the other.

more gigahertz, more pixels, more buttons, whatever it is. at the end
of the day, it makes very little difference.

it's not like anyone can even tell what the specs of the computer that
was used to produce a photo, video, brochure or whatever else.

Agreed. And often you will see features done so poorly they are not really
there for any apparent reason other than to be able to be shown on a check
box as being "supported". Image rotation and masking in LibreOffice, for
example. Yeah, you can sorta get it to work but what a mess.

Windows does have some features macOS does not, at least not easily or
without third party software. Setting volume per program, for example, is
easier on Windows (though can be done with third party programs on macOS).

and macs have features windows doesn't.

pick the best tool for the job.

Absolutely agree. I tend to use Macs but also use Windows and Linux. For
others: use what you like and what you think will serve you well. I do not
get the religious fervor of many over what OS they use. Just silly to me.

i use all platforms.

Apple IIgs?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On 5/4/17, 12:42 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

....
Maybe you can show some examples of where you think Windows makes things
easier. Here are just a couple where I think macOS makes things easier...
the first two are based on comments from other's comments in COLA:

1) Someone spoke of liking to be able to look words up in different
dictionaries (I think dictionary.com, Google "define", and the Urban
dictionary). I already had added some of these to my system -- tools where
from most (though not quite all) programs I can right-click on a word or
selected phrase and do a quick search. I added the ones he mentioned which
I did not have and showed them all working. While I show this in only
one program keep in mind they work with most:

https://youtu.be/N1wbphwWqu4

That's what google is for.

Wait: I am not going to Google the answer for you. As far as I know it
cannot be done. And if you just want Google you can see in the menu it is
there, at the top. Do not even need to add a service.

I'm talking about using google to look up a dictionary.

Ah, so nothing nearly as efficient as what I show. Fair enough. That was
sorta my point -- macOS offers choice there where the competition does not.
And it makes things more efficient for the user.

2) Filling out, naming, and annotating a PDF Form: someone spoke of filling
out a PDF they found online. This is a common task, of course. And it is
common people who receive these forms will read them with Adobe products
(good or bad that is how it is) so it is important that the tools use work
with them. I showed filling in the form including adding more than just
content in the pre-set fields. Could have also showed arrows and circles
and
more, even using the above tools, but those did not really apply. Still,
what if you wanted to look up info on "Head of Household" -- the tools I
show would come in handy there, too:

https://youtu.be/mqiaPeY1YaI

PDF is evil, Windows users avoid that Apple-based ****.

LOL! So you have no method on Windows. OK.

We don't make a habit of using PDF. That's for Apple users.

Oh, and PDF is an Adobe product, not Apple.

Apple and Adobe have always ben in bed together. That's why Apple users love
Photoshop.

So another task not handled as well by Windows. OK.

3) Was it you who talked of proxy icons? Not sure?

I replied to someone (you?) mentioning them, and I said they were pointless.

But I showed an example where they are of value.

I can do everything you can with a proxy icon without using it.

Look forward to the video where you show doing things similar to what I
showed you he https://youtu.be/OFaXv9h2Ato. Somehow, though, I think my
wait will be very, very long.

But made a quick video to show how they and some related features can be
used. Keep in mind the eagle picture is buried deep so dragging its
file-browser icon would be less practical (though, not shown in the video,
the path I do show is "live" -- I could have clicked on any folder in
the path to open it):

https://youtu.be/OFaXv9h2Ato

These are all very basic and common tasks... and as I noted the first two
are based on other's comments in COLA where the last one is from someone
(might have even been you) referencing a comment of mine about proxy icons.

Not sure that would ever allow me to do anything I can't already do.

Sure. You can still open files and the like. I am talking about streamlining
workflows. THAT is the benefit, not letting you do something you absolutely
could not do.

I've never found myself hunting about and slowing myself down.

So show it. Do the things I show... have a file open that is heavily buried
in an arbitrary place... and then do the things I show.

My guess: you never will.

I use folders with a dual-pane window like this (the example here is
actually form Windows XP!):
http://www.daleisphere.com/wp-conten...ws-explorer-fo
ld ers-view.jpg

That clearly does not let you do the same thing but it is a good feature of
Windows which can only be done on macOS with having two windows open.

Probably the biggest reason the Mac file system is a piece of ****. Two
windows to move files about!

That has nothing to do with the file system and also is not even true. Not
in the slightest!

Oh my god! And what's more (older?) Mac OS versions wouldn't even let you
copy and paste a file!

Irrelevant to what they do now. But if you want to look at older issues it
took FAR too long to make resizing windows from any side a reality on macOS
(or OS X). Just insane. Now you can resize proportionally or by the center,
which I do not use often but when I do want I find it comes in handy and is
something Windows does not have (that I know of). Same with window edges
snapping to each other... GNOME and other Linux DEs had that for a long time
before macOS got it.

While Apple should be given credit for many of the aspects of the modern GUI
it is not as if others have not added ideas or benefits. Heck, even
contextual menus were not seen first in Macs.

Not a huge deal to do so but they do not move together and the like, so I can
certainly see places where that offers benefits the Mac does not have. Fair
enough on that... but nothing that gives you the same benefits of proxy
icons.

Still can't think of a reason I'd want it.

Well, I showed you benefits... and you have yet to show how you would do
things as well on your system. I can lead a horse to water...

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On 5/4/17, 1:46 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

....
I grew up Jewish

That explains why you're so stupid.

Wow... that is pretty extreme bigotry.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is.

Why?

By nature irrational and selfish... a demand for special entitlements and a
denial of equal rights.

Anyone who thinks god exists is a
complete and utter moron. And just now you said you believed in
science.....

Irrelevant.

Science is not compatible with religion. One requires intelligence, the other
requires childish stupidity.

There are religious scientists... so your claim is demonstrably not true.
And keep in mind I am an atheist. It is not like I am backing any given
religion!

I think it is hogwash to look at
different groups and rate them by IQ, but if you want to use such nonsense
look to see where Ashkenazi are found on such lists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jewish_intelligence

Jews are all pedantic lawyer types. We'd be better off without them.

And more of your bigotry. Heck, read the page and see what areas they are
mentioned in.

I'm still waiting t hear why you think bigotry is wrong.

Stated above.

BUT, that does not show how all Jews or even all Ashkenazi are. Yes, I am
Ashkenazi but I am NEVER going to pretend that makes me better than others
or whatever.

If you are religious, you're a fool.

I am an atheist but I am not bigoted against religious people.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On 5/4/17, 1:48 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

It's just an alternative. What else could it mean? I am reading it
again
for
proof it is correct, so proof read.

Da' fakt dat hit kan B undrestood dose knot mene et iz korekt.

Correct is meaningless if it works.

I think my above sentence is a good example of why that is not the case.

I had no trouble reading it. So what was your point?

One that went over your head.

You claimed it was wrong to write like you did, yet I read it perfectly. You
failed miserably like you always do.

As noted, I can lead a horse to water but I cannot make him drink. You have
to take some responsibility for your own understanding (or lack of it).

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On Thu, 04 May 2017 22:26:27 +0100, Snit wrote:

On 5/4/17, 1:46 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

...
I grew up Jewish

That explains why you're so stupid.

Wow... that is pretty extreme bigotry.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is.

Why?

By nature irrational and selfish... a demand for special entitlements and a
denial of equal rights.

We aren't equal. Different species and so forth.

Anyone who thinks god exists is a
complete and utter moron. And just now you said you believed in
science.....

Irrelevant.

Science is not compatible with religion. One requires intelligence, the other
requires childish stupidity.

There are religious scientists... so your claim is demonstrably not true.

People can be half stupid.

And keep in mind I am an atheist. It is not like I am backing any given
religion!

You admitted to being Jewish. You complain about anyone poking fun at Jews.

BUT, that does not show how all Jews or even all Ashkenazi are. Yes, I am
Ashkenazi but I am NEVER going to pretend that makes me better than others
or whatever.

If you are religious, you're a fool.

I am an atheist but I am not bigoted against religious people.

So you're not sure about atheism then? If you knew you were right, you'd consider all religious folk to be utter morons.

--
Maybe . . .
Flying saucers are real and the Air Force doesn't exist.

On 5/4/17, 12:49 PM, in article ,
"nospam" wrote:

In article , James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:

PDF is evil, Windows users avoid that Apple-based ****.

LOL! So you have no method on Windows. OK.

We don't make a habit of using PDF. That's for Apple users.

your ignorance knows no bounds.

Oh, and PDF is an Adobe product, not Apple.

Apple and Adobe have always ben in bed together.

nonsense.

That's why Apple users love
Photoshop.

as do windows users.

photoshop's user base is roughly half mac, half windows.

I know that used to be the case but have not seen stats in some time. Do you
have any fairly recent ones?

And what's more (older?) Mac OS
versions wouldn't even let you copy and paste a file!

because that's a very stupid way to move files, and dragging is faster.

It is not something I do often but there was enough demand for it I can see
why Apple added it.

I was happier when they added things like resizing from any side (and they
took it further and added proportional resizing as well as resizing from the
center... both of which I only rarely use but they are sometimes helpful)
and when they added contextual menus and drag indicators. Oh, and windows
snapping to each other. All of these were seen first on Windows or Linux DEs
and later came to the Mac.

The Mac introduced the world to what most things we consider the norm in
modern GUIs, but it is not as if others have not added to that.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

On 5/4/17, 2:30 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

On Thu, 04 May 2017 22:26:27 +0100, Snit wrote:

On 5/4/17, 1:46 PM, in article , "James Wilkinson
Sword" wrote:

...
I grew up Jewish

That explains why you're so stupid.

Wow... that is pretty extreme bigotry.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

It is.

Why?

By nature irrational and selfish... a demand for special entitlements and a
denial of equal rights.

We aren't equal. Different species and so forth.

As noted: a cry for special entitlements.

Anyone who thinks god exists is a complete and utter moron. And just now
you said you believed in science.....

Irrelevant.

Science is not compatible with religion. One requires intelligence, the
other requires childish stupidity.

There are religious scientists... so your claim is demonstrably not true.

People can be half stupid.

And keep in mind I am an atheist. It is not like I am backing any given
religion!

You admitted to being Jewish. You complain about anyone poking fun at Jews.

I am Ashkenazi... but I am not religious. And I do not like people being
bigoted toward any group based on self-serving bigotry... remember, I
support equal rights.

BUT, that does not show how all Jews or even all Ashkenazi are. Yes, I am
Ashkenazi but I am NEVER going to pretend that makes me better than others
or whatever.

If you are religious, you're a fool.

I am an atheist but I am not bigoted against religious people.

So you're not sure about atheism then?

Sure about what with it?

If you knew you were right, you'd consider all religious folk to be utter
morons.

You are a grand example of how being an atheist does not mean one is always
right.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308

In article , Snit
wrote:

PDF is evil, Windows users avoid that Apple-based ****.

LOL! So you have no method on Windows. OK.

Oh, and PDF is an Adobe product, not Apple.

not anymore it isn't. pdf is an official iso standard.

True... but it started with Adobe and they still are the de facto standard.

pdf started with adobe, but it *not* adobe anymore nor is it a de facto
standard.

What makes you think the Acrobat Reader is no longer the de facto standard?

that's a common app for reading pdf, but not the only way.

it's an official iso standard, iso 32000-1:2008:
https://www.iso.org/standard/51502.html

Not in contention.

apparently it is.

But the idea it is "Apple" is sorta silly.

it's not silly at all. it's an amazing level of ignorance and stupidity.

I would say ignorance... but not stupidity. No reason for everyone to know
these things.

it's clearly both.

This is similar to the MS Office file formats -- they are open but MS is
still the de facto standard.

ms office is not an official iso standard nor will it ever be.

there are also a bunch of them. sometimes even microsoft's own apps can't
read
certain variants.

I am speaking of the "Office Open XML File Formats" which are ISO standards
and for which MS Office is the de facto standard tool for working with them.

https://www.iso.org/standard/51463.html

didn't realize that was iso.

that still leaves older office formats.

In article , Snit
wrote:


That's why Apple users love
Photoshop.

as do windows users.

photoshop's user base is roughly half mac, half windows.

I know that used to be the case but have not seen stats in some time. Do you
have any fairly recent ones?

the exact number doesn't matter. photoshop is *not* in any way mac-only
nor predominantly mac. a substantial number of windows users use
photoshop because it's one of the best, if not the best image editing
app around.

And what's more (older?) Mac OS
versions wouldn't even let you copy and paste a file!

because that's a very stupid way to move files, and dragging is faster.

It is not something I do often but there was enough demand for it I can see
why Apple added it.

it was added solely because windows switchers whined.

cut/paste to move files is inconsistent with the ui. cutting means
*delete* what's selected, whether or not it's pasted, which is *not*
what you want to do when cutting a file. if you don't 'paste' the file,
it should be deleted to remain consistent, except it isn't because that
would cause all sorts of unwanted file deletions.

I was happier when they added things like resizing from any side (and they
took it further and added proportional resizing as well as resizing from the
center... both of which I only rarely use but they are sometimes helpful)
and when they added contextual menus and drag indicators. Oh, and windows
snapping to each other. All of these were seen first on Windows or Linux DEs
and later came to the Mac.

i much prefer being able to drag from the edge of the window.

The Mac introduced the world to what most things we consider the norm in
modern GUIs, but it is not as if others have not added to that.

yep