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Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros.
I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata enclosure. To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight. I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based. Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2. I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office. xxx |
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On 01/04/2011 05:00, Student wrote:
Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros. I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata enclosure. To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight. I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based. Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2. I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office. xxx Missed the boat with WHAT? |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:40:37 +0100, Gordon wrote:
On 01/04/2011 05:00, Student wrote: Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros. I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata enclosure. To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight. I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based. Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2. I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office. xxx Missed the boat with WHAT? Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 - they had a better product. |
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On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 04:00:48 +0000, Student wrote:
Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros. Intrigued? In what way? I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata enclosure. To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight. I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based. Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2. In what way? Were you expecting it to be more like Windows this time around? From your previous experience with Linux, you should have known that would not be the case. I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office. "Use what works best for you" has always been my advice when people ask me which OS is "best." From an AmigaOS-skipped-Windows-entirely-and-went-directly-to-Linux-10- years-ago user, Stef |
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ray wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:40:37 +0100, Gordon wrote: On 01/04/2011 05:00, Student wrote: Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros. I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata enclosure. To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight. I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based. Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2. I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office. xxx Missed the boat with WHAT? Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 - they had a better product. No way! I ran OS/2 v2.x and I was a beta tester for OS/2 v3. And the beta testing things were doing just fine. But just like in IBM's style, they screwed up in the released version. They changed many of the drivers and a huge amount of beta testers couldn't even get it to install (including myself). Better product, my eye! I have at least a dozen computers right in this room alone. And I can take that Warp install CD and I can guarantee you that it will not install on any of them. Then there was all of those FixPaks! Most of them broke more than they fixed. And old bugs were coming back to haunt OS/2. That is because every time IBM tried to fix something, they made it worse than ever before. Then they would plug back the old code that had the old bugs. It wasn't a failure of IBM's marketing! Hell IBM spent 2 billion dollars on OS/2 alone. It was a failure of IBM's programmers couldn't program their way out of a wet paper bag. And IBM made promises they couldn't keep. This later became well known as FUD. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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On 04/02/2011 12:09 PM, BillW50 wrote:
I have at least a dozen computers right in this room alone. Why do you have so many? -- Alias |
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ray wrote:
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:40:37 +0100, Gordon wrote: On 01/04/2011 05:00, Student wrote: Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros. I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata enclosure. To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight. I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based. Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2. I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office. xxx Missed the boat with WHAT? Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 - they had a better product. Marketing is a factor, sure, but that alone doesn't explain why a system costing $100 to $300 overwhelms one that is free. Progress in Linux seems to be a measure of how closely it imitates Windows. -- Crash "The real question is not whether machines think but whether men do." ~ B. F. Skinner ~ |
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On 04/02/2011 01:15 PM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
ray wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:40:37 +0100, Gordon wrote: On 01/04/2011 05:00, Student wrote: Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros. I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata enclosure. To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight. I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based. Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2. I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office. xxx Missed the boat with WHAT? Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 - they had a better product. Marketing is a factor, sure, but that alone doesn't explain why a system costing $100 to $300 overwhelms one that is free. Progress in Linux seems to be a measure of how closely it imitates Windows. Sorry, but it's the other way round. Beryl and Compiz came out before Aero and is much more configurable. A mini view from the task bar of open apps came out in Linux long before Vista had it. Linux has had multiple imaging programs long before Windows 7 had it. Linux had a UAC long before Vista. Windows has yet to have multiple desktops without third party programs. Windows has yet to have one source for updates. Windows has yet to have the architecture that Linux has to prevent malware. The reason that Windows is number one is not quality but marketing and FUD, FUD which you seemed to have swallowed whole. -- Alias |
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On 02/04/2011 12:15, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Marketing is a factor, sure, but that alone doesn't explain why a system costing $100 to $300 overwhelms one that is free. Progress in Linux seems to be a measure of how closely it imitates Windows. So can you explain why Linux netbooks, that were OUTSELLING the equivalent Windows ones, suddenly disappeared from the shelves? Surely retailers give their customers what they want to buy, and they wanted Linux Netbooks and yet, suddenly, they all disappeared, with only XP netbooks available, all of a sudden. Now I wonder WHY that happened? |
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On 4/2/2011 7:21 AM, Alias wrote:
On 04/02/2011 01:15 PM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: ray wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:40:37 +0100, Gordon wrote: On 01/04/2011 05:00, Student wrote: Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros. I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata enclosure. To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight. I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based. Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2. I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office. xxx Missed the boat with WHAT? Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 - they had a better product. Marketing is a factor, sure, but that alone doesn't explain why a system costing $100 to $300 overwhelms one that is free. Progress in Linux seems to be a measure of how closely it imitates Windows. Sorry, but it's the other way round. Beryl and Compiz came out before Aero and is much more configurable. A mini view from the task bar of open apps came out in Linux long before Vista had it. Linux has had multiple imaging programs long before Windows 7 had it. Linux had a UAC long before Vista. Windows has yet to have multiple desktops without third party programs. Windows has yet to have one source for updates. Windows has yet to have the architecture that Linux has to prevent malware. The reason that Windows is number one is not quality but marketing and FUD, FUD which you seemed to have swallowed whole. You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you. |
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On 02/04/2011 12:38, Big Steel wrote:
You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you. Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the Windows ones DO? |
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On 4/2/2011 7:45 AM, Gordon wrote:
On 02/04/2011 12:38, Big Steel wrote: You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you. Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the Windows ones DO? Bull****, the Linux Web servers are being compromised all of the time. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141651/attack_against_linux_apache_servers_intensifying.h tml |
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On 04/02/2011 01:38 PM, Big Steel wrote:
On 4/2/2011 7:21 AM, Alias wrote: On 04/02/2011 01:15 PM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: ray wrote: On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 09:40:37 +0100, Gordon wrote: On 01/04/2011 05:00, Student wrote: Linux has always intrigued me and I have tried many distros. I now have a computer with eSATA. I had a spare hard disk and eSata enclosure. To pass my time I tried Linux again tonight. I tried Ubuntu, Mint gnome and Mint debian based. Honestly Linux missed the boat just as IBM missed the boat with OS2. I am firmlly entrenched in windows 7 at home and xp at my office. xxx Missed the boat with WHAT? Evidently, marketing. IMHO, that was IBM's shortcoming with OS2 - they had a better product. Marketing is a factor, sure, but that alone doesn't explain why a system costing $100 to $300 overwhelms one that is free. Progress in Linux seems to be a measure of how closely it imitates Windows. Sorry, but it's the other way round. Beryl and Compiz came out before Aero and is much more configurable. A mini view from the task bar of open apps came out in Linux long before Vista had it. Linux has had multiple imaging programs long before Windows 7 had it. Linux had a UAC long before Vista. Windows has yet to have multiple desktops without third party programs. Windows has yet to have one source for updates. Windows has yet to have the architecture that Linux has to prevent malware. The reason that Windows is number one is not quality but marketing and FUD, FUD which you seemed to have swallowed whole. You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you. And the reason you think I would care what someone who has some big steel stuck up his ass believes? -- Alias |
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On 04/02/2011 01:49 PM, Big Steel wrote:
On 4/2/2011 7:45 AM, Gordon wrote: On 02/04/2011 12:38, Big Steel wrote: You can keep that little pipe dream going about how Linux as an architecture to prevent malware. I no more belive than I believe you. Pipedream eh? So that's why well over 50% of the world's web servers are Linux and yet, strange to seem, they don't get infected - the Windows ones DO? Bull****, the Linux Web servers are being compromised all of the time. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/141651/attack_against_linux_apache_servers_intensifying.h tml Puhlease, the above article is three years old. -- Alias |
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Gordon wrote: On 02/04/2011 12:15, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote: Marketing is a factor, sure, but that alone doesn't explain why a system costing $100 to $300 overwhelms one that is free. Progress in Linux seems to be a measure of how closely it imitates Windows. So can you explain why Linux netbooks, that were OUTSELLING the equivalent Windows ones, suddenly disappeared from the shelves? That is an easy answer. As I have four of those netbooks that came with Linux on them. Because none of them came with Windows at first and they only came with Linux on them. You couldn't buy a netbook back then with Windows on it. As there just wasn't any. Windows could run on them, but they didn't sell netbooks with Windows on them because Windows licenses would add too much of the cost of the netbook. They did include Windows drivers if you wanted to put Windows on it (which you had to provide yourself). And that is what most people did. Then Microsoft came along and told the manufactures if you want Windows on them, we'll give you netbook pricing for Windows. They jumped at the deal. And all of those Linux netbooks suddenly became unsellable. As nobody wanted a Linux netbook if they could get a Windows one for a few bucks more. Surely retailers give their customers what they want to buy, and they wanted Linux Netbooks and yet, suddenly, they all disappeared, with only XP netbooks available, all of a sudden. Now I wonder WHY that happened? Customers didn't want Linux netbooks, they wanted Windows netbooks. And once became available and affordable for netbooks, Linux netbooks disappeared. There has been a number of manufactures who refuses to sell any machines with Windows on them (including IBM for a time). All had to learn the hard lesson that Linux machines don't sell and virtually nobody wants them. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) Centrino Core Duo 1.83G - 2GB - Windows XP SP3 |
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