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  #16  
Old June 19th 12, 06:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:48:49 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

[snip]

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and


Hardly. Someone can still download what he prefers. When I
first got onto the Net back in 1995, my ISP supplied some basic
software. Without it, I might not have found out about USENET. I was
always free to switch. Free Agent I stuck with, upgrading to the paid
version at one point. I eventually switched from Netscape to Firefox.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko


So we should applaud some software vendor filling up our hard disks with
software that is NOT part of the operating system. Guess you just love
all that bundleware that comes with many programs. You must have a
couple dozen toolbars in your web browser now installed by you because,
gee, it came bundled with some software but, of course, you could decide
to get something else.

You might like pudding but would you really appreciate your car dealer
filling up your new car with pudding? Does it really take you buying a
new car to find out about pudding?
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  #17  
Old June 19th 12, 06:49 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 19 Jun 2012, Paul wrote in
alt.windows7.general:

Found an interesting tidbit in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail

"Windows 7

It is found in a folder titled 'Windows Mail', but it is
unused. Windows Mail can be re-enabled in Windows 7, but the
file itself is hidden and doesn't load anything at all. Look
on http://www.sevenforums.com/ for information on re-enabling
WinMail.exe."

I found the tutorial here.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials...dows-mail.html

That looks complicated enough, I'd do a "System Image" of my
Windows 7 partitions, before trying it. Then, if you get in
trouble, recovery is painless.

And if you get it working, there are web pages for setup.

http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/email/WindowsMail/


I tried it and it worked! I had made an earlier attempt a year or two
ago, where I tried copying the Windows Mail folder from a Vista
installation, but I couldn't get it to work. This new (to me) method
works, and now I have Windows Mail on this Win7 computer. I may never
use it, but at least I know it can be done.
  #18  
Old June 19th 12, 07:36 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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RH Breener wrote:

I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.


That's just one part of the wonderful bloatware that HP pre-installs on
their computer. When you purchase a pre-built computer with a
pre-installed OS means you get bloatware.

Windows 7 doesn't come with an e-mail client. HP decided they knew best
what you should use for an e-mail client. Complain to HP about all the
bloatware they toss on their pre-built, pre-configured computers.

There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as
in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't
find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of
downloaded mail.


This newsgroup discusses Windows 7. A better newsgroup for discussing
Windows Live Mail is:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

By the way, yes, you can get WLM to *not* download e-mails that exceed a
maximum size. After installing WLM into virtual machine, it took longer
to find out how to get at the dialog to define rules then to see if a
rule clause were available to limit the size of downloads.

For your claim of "no way to set a rule to keep large files from
downloading", how long did you spend looking at the clauses that you can
add to rules? What was the reason you didn't want to select to include
the following clauses in a rule?

Where the message is more than size
Do not Download it from the server

Did you add the stop clause to this rule (so subsequent rules don't
force a download should they have to interrogate the body of the
message)? If you have more than one rule defined, where was this one
positioned within your set of rules? That is, what other rules were
defined before this one?

How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7?


Several posters have mentioned that you cannot run Outlook Express on
Windows 7. Well, that's strictly true under Windows 7 itself but not if
you have an edition of Windows 7 that runs XP Mode which is a virtual
machine running a copy of Windows XP and which does include Outlook
Express. "W-7" doesn't tell anyone WHICH edition of Windows 7 that you
are using. If your edition of Windows 7 supports XP Mode, yes, you can
run Outlook Express under the VM for Windows XP as a guest running under
Windows 7.

http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-to...-in-windows-7/
  #19  
Old June 19th 12, 10:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?


I bought the same HP system with W7. I didn't even try WindowsLiveMail
because I had already seem the mess it makes of Usenet. I installed
Forte Agent because that is what I have used for email and Usenet
since 1995 and aim to continue to use it no matter what!

Steve

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  #20  
Old June 19th 12, 01:13 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:07:07 -0400, Big Steel wrote:

Just use Thunderbird it is free.


Lots of good alternatives; PC-Alpine if you like that text/curses
look, or Opera perhaps that has a good email client.
  #21  
Old June 19th 12, 01:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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mechanic wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 19:07:07 -0400, Big Steel wrote:

Just use Thunderbird it is free.


Lots of good alternatives; PC-Alpine if you like that text/curses
look, or Opera perhaps that has a good email client.


Pegasus Mail (www.pmail.com). Free, all the features. You can look at
your mail on the POP server and decide which to download and which to
delete. Filtering, Baysian spam filtering, etc, etc...

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  #22  
Old June 19th 12, 05:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 00:49:26 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

Gene Wirchenko wrote:

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:48:49 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

[snip]

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and


Hardly. Someone can still download what he prefers. When I
first got onto the Net back in 1995, my ISP supplied some basic
software. Without it, I might not have found out about USENET. I was
always free to switch. Free Agent I stuck with, upgrading to the paid
version at one point. I eventually switched from Netscape to Firefox.


So we should applaud some software vendor filling up our hard disks with
software that is NOT part of the operating system. Guess you just love


In your eagerness to grind your axe, you have missed some
possibilities:

1) First of all, I stated "ISP" not "software vendor".

2) The software was supplied on disk.

all that bundleware that comes with many programs. You must have a
couple dozen toolbars in your web browser now installed by you because,
gee, it came bundled with some software but, of course, you could decide
to get something else.


No. I avoid toolbars. Firefox added a Google search toolbar in
one version. I got rid of it quickly.

You might like pudding but would you really appreciate your car dealer
filling up your new car with pudding? Does it really take you buying a
new car to find out about pudding?


That is not what I am talking about. I was offered the software.
That helped get me started. I was quite free to not install the
software.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
  #23  
Old June 19th 12, 08:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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RH Breener wrote:

I can't locate the place to make the rules, ...


See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest
version won't install on Windows XP.

The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7
http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)
  #24  
Old June 19th 12, 08:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
...

"Bruce Hagen" wrote in message
...

"RH Breener" wrote in message
...
Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a
really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a
copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?



I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a
size
rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can
see.





Inline with snippage.


I can't locate the place to make the rules,



See VanguardLH's reply.



and for some reason the software
downloads old messages from the gmail server that I've seen months ago.



Menu Button | Options | Email Accounts | This Mail Account | Properties |
Advanced. Uncheck: Leave a copy of messages on the server.



My inbox gets swamped and I can't find any way to mark and delete a

large
number of email messages. I don't see any "select all."



Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.


To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.
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  #25  
Old June 19th 12, 08:56 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:41:08 -0700, "Bruce Hagen"
wrote:

Ctrl+A is a global "Select All" in Windows.

To delete all: Highlight one and Ctrl + A will highlight them all. -
Delete.

To delete a section: Highlight the first one you want to delete. Scroll
down to the last one and click on it while holding the Shift key down. -
Delete.

To delete multiple messages that are interspersed: Hold down the Ctrl key
while you click on each message to highlight. - Delete.


Might as well also mention the capability to highlight multiple
non-contiguous ranges by using a combination of Shift and Control.

Highlight the first one, then scroll to the end of that range and
select the last one while holding Shift. Scroll to the beginning of
the next range and select the first one while holding Control, then
scroll to the end of that range and select the last one while holding
both Shift and Control. Additional ranges, as well as additional
singles, can be added to the selection in any order until you have
everything selected that you want.

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  #26  
Old June 19th 12, 09:04 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Bruce Hagen[_2_]
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
...

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
...
RH Breener wrote:

I can't locate the place to make the rules, ...


See my earlier reply. Yes, you can define a rule that prevents
downloading messages that exceed a specified size. The clauses were
available in the prior version so I suspect they are still available in
the newer version.

And, yes, Microsoft likes to make difficult finding how to define rules
in WLM. I eventually decided to stop hunting around the given UI and
use the options to show the menu bar. Once I got the menu bar
displayed, finding where to define the rules was easy. That was under
the older version of WLM that will install on Windows XP. The latest
version won't install on Windows XP.


The new version incorporates Microsoft's penchant for GUI changes by
using the ribbon bar. From articles I've read for that newer version,
you go under the Folders tab in the ribbon bar whereupon then you get
to
see the Message Rules button.

Create a New Mail Rule in Windows Live Mail in Windows 7
http://ww2.cox.com/residential/centr...00000000000%7D
(found by Google search on: "windows live mail" create rule)


I found it. Thank you. Of the two though, I think I'll end up using
Thunderbird if I can't get WM to work. I don't understand why MS
doesn't have it as a download since a lot of people don't seem to like
WLM and are looking for ways to get WM to work on their W7 computers.





MS isn't going to promote Thunderbird. They want everyone to drink their
kool-aid.


Mozilla Newsgroups:

news.mozilla.org
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  #27  
Old June 19th 12, 09:28 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
...

"Peter Jason" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 16:09:25 -0700, "RH Breener"
wrote:

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a
really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?


I had this sort of trouble when I upgraded from
XP. I finally bit the bullet and bought
Outlook10 and have not regretted it.
Peter


Can I try before I buy? A trial period perhaps? Is it like WindowsMail
on Vista?



You can download a trial here.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook

FYI: Outlook does not do news.


When I got this Win7 machine, I did the WinMail hack and have it for news
ever since. (Check my message headers). I used WLMail 2009 for about a
month and switched to TB. TB is a bit different than OE, but it's got some
great free add-ons. Like "mail merge" for one.

http://www.google.com/search?q=thund...I7GGHP_enUS449
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  #28  
Old June 19th 12, 09:29 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"RH Breener" wrote in message
...

"Ken Blake" wrote in message
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brevity snipped

Not really a patch. You just need to copy it from Windows Vista to
Windows 7.


From what I read online this morning, there's more to it than that. It's
more complicated than moving say a DVD burner program from Vista to W-7
and firing it up. And on some forums people tried it and couldn't get it
to work for them.


Vista's WinMail has been working well on Win 7 for well over a year and a
half
on my main machine.
When you copy it over from Vista, don't forget to give yourself full
permissions
on all of the files. And start the Winmail.exe from a shortcut pinned to
your taskbar.

Chris


  #29  
Old June 19th 12, 09:47 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:21:12 -0700, RH Breener wrote:

This PC is set to auto-update and is so new I have no idea if it has SP1
installed. Where would I look to see if it's already there?


Open the Start Menu, right click the "Computer" shortcut and choose
"Properties".

The info is in the top part of the panel in the section labeled "Windows
edition".

Just for kicks, read the whole panel while you're there :-)

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  #30  
Old June 19th 12, 09:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 15:12:08 -0700, RH Breener wrote:

"R. C. White" wrote in message
ecom...
Hi, RH.

As you probably have learned by now, Win7 comes from Microsoft with NO
mail/news client at all. HP must have added WLM to your machine.
Microsoft got tired of complaints about "bloat" in Windows Vista and
prior, so they removed several add-on features, including mail/news, from
Win7. They say that we are now free to select any mail/news client we
want (Thunderbird, Agent, or any of several others) and install it
ourselves.

OE will not run on Win7. WM will not run on Win7, either, officially.
But some users have made it work with a patch that should not be too hard
to find. (I haven't looked for it because I prefer WLM to WM. I'll
probably get flamed for that.)

RC


No flames. To each is or her own. smile


Hey - we can flame if we want!

Also smiling...

BTW, your typo made me want to correct it. How about "To each is or er
own"?

Yes, I'm still smiling.

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