Added hard drive - but only have 4-pin molex - no available SATA power cables

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:55:58 -0400, Paul wrote:

Peter Jason wrote:
You can by-pass all this, and reduce the clutter
and tangle by using one of these.....
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-5-...354341581.html

Unfortunately, Peter's suggestion *increases* the clutter greatly,
compared to internal installation. I have at least half a dozen 1-bay
and 2-bay external docks from when Newegg tossed them in with every hard
drive purchase, but I don't use them because of the increased clutter. I
also don't use them because they all have USB2 interfaces, but it's the
clutter that kills it for me.

I have two for 3 HDD & an SSD and I'm getting a
third for some old IDE HDDs.

Note for the power they plug into a wall socket
via a small transformer.


And how many wall adapters do you have so far ?

I have eight of them right now.

I don't really have room for any more. There
are no good bays left for them. (Some of mine are
mounted in 3D, using cross-shaped 1 to 3 adapters.)

These things are great. And give you extra mileage from
your power strip. You may not be able to use these
on adjacent strip outlets, as you need them to be
spaced to make room for the height of the adapter.
I have around four power strips (the one for the
wall adapters is switched).

https://www.amazon.com/3-grounded-Ou.../dp/B0065N2T5A

I consider that an outdoor product. The bright orange gives it away.
Also, the orientation is 90-degrees wrong for my outlet strips.

I use 1-foot extension cords, similar to the link below (although I get
them at Walmart), to get the wall warts away from the outlet. Not only
can I use every outlet that way, but the wall warts aren't crammed
tightly together, allowing them to run a bit cooler.

https://www.amazon.com/KMC-Extension.../dp/B075WC3LZG

When I first saw 1-foot extension cords at Walmart, I thought the idea
was ridiculous, but they've turned out to be one of the handiest things
to have around. I've probably got 18-20 of them in service around the
house at the moment.

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

I use 1-foot extension cords, similar to the link below (although I get
them at Walmart), to get the wall warts away from the outlet. Not only
can I use every outlet that way, but the wall warts aren't crammed
tightly together, allowing them to run a bit cooler.

https://www.amazon.com/KMC-Extension.../dp/B075WC3LZG

When I first saw 1-foot extension cords at Walmart, I thought the idea
was ridiculous, but they've turned out to be one of the handiest things
to have around. I've probably got 18-20 of them in service around the
house at the moment.

there are also 6 inch extension cords:
https://www.amazon.com/6-Inch-Power-...et/dp/B00DVRUT
XW

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 18:15:06 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar
wrote:

On Fri, 1 Jun 2018 05:04:32 +0000 (UTC), Frank Weg
wrote:

Either a new power supply (which is probably overkill) because this power
supply only has 3 SATA flat power cables, or an adapter from molex to SATA,
or an adapter from one SATA to two SATA cable ends.

What is generally the best idea when you need 1 more flat SATA power?

SATA drives still have the round pin power connector or you could
use an adapter.

Round pin power connector? As in Molex? I haven't seen a SATA drive with
a Molex power connector since about 2008 or so. I think that was a very
short-lived idea.

Char Jackson wrote:

Lucifer Morningstar wrote:

Frank Weg wrote:

Either a new power supply (which is probably overkill) because this
power supply only has 3 SATA flat power cables, or an adapter from
molex to SATA, or an adapter from one SATA to two SATA cable ends.

What is generally the best idea when you need 1 more flat SATA
power?

SATA drives still have the round pin power connector or you could
use an adapter.

Round pin power connector? As in Molex? I haven't seen a SATA drive with
a Molex power connector since about 2008 or so. I think that was a very
short-lived idea.

I have. Such SATA drives have the SATA data connector, SATA power
connector, and a 4-pin Molex connector. As I recall, you must use only
ONE of the power connectors to prevent feedback to the PSU through the
other power connector.

SATA drive with both the SATA power and Molex power connectors:
https://c1.neweggimages.com/BizIntel...w1/image05.jpg
https://static.makeuseof.com/wp-cont.../02/SATA07.png

SATA HDD with just the Molex power connector:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...d9c7ff71f5a7-c

However, it's been a long time since I've seen those. When SATA was
getting introduced into the consumer-grade market, and because PSUs were
not generally providing SATA power connectors or too few of them
(because PATA drives were still the massive majority of drive types at
that time), the Molex power connector was included. Users wanting to
use SATA drives (mostly because it was new so it must be better, uh huh)
in their old computers didn't have PSUs with many SATA power connectors,
if any. The mobo or a card had to have the SATA data ports but the old
PSU might only have Molex power connectors. There was a period of
crossover from PATA to SATA, and drive makers still wanted to market
their SATA drives to the market share of old computer users.

I didn't bother to verify Lucy's claim that there are "still" HDDs
around with a Molex power connector. I didn't notice any being
currently sold at Newegg; however, Newegg doesn't sell everything
currently available, so I've had to go elsewhere for more unique
hardware.

On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:34:27 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Char Jackson
wrote:

I use 1-foot extension cords, similar to the link below (although I get
them at Walmart), to get the wall warts away from the outlet. Not only
can I use every outlet that way, but the wall warts aren't crammed
tightly together, allowing them to run a bit cooler.

https://www.amazon.com/KMC-Extension.../dp/B075WC3LZG

When I first saw 1-foot extension cords at Walmart, I thought the idea
was ridiculous, but they've turned out to be one of the handiest things
to have around. I've probably got 18-20 of them in service around the
house at the moment.

there are also 6 inch extension cords:
https://www.amazon.com/6-Inch-Power-Extension-5-Pack-Outlet/dp/B00DVRUTXW

Dang it, you made me look at mine and you're right. The ones that I have
are 6 inches. Good call.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:55:58 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Peter Jason wrote:
You can by-pass all this, and reduce the clutter
and tangle by using one of these.....
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-5-...354341581.html

I have two for 3 HDD & an SSD and I'm getting a
third for some old IDE HDDs.

Note for the power they plug into a wall socket
via a small transformer.


And how many wall adapters do you have so far ?

I have eight of them right now.

I don't really have room for any more. There
are no good bays left for them. (Some of mine are
mounted in 3D, using cross-shaped 1 to 3 adapters.)

These things are great. And give you extra mileage from
your power strip. You may not be able to use these
on adjacent strip outlets, as you need them to be
spaced to make room for the height of the adapter.
I have around four power strips (the one for the
wall adapters is switched).

https://www.amazon.com/3-grounded-Ou.../dp/B0065N2T5A

*******

Some of the docks aren't properly ballasted so they
stay put. They can also transfer vibration to the drive
(versus a tray that uses silicon grommets for shock relief).

Paul

I use a quality power board ....
https://postimg.cc/image/ng7tr8bgt/
with individual switches. The board is fixed to
the wall, to get it off the bench, with plumber's
roofing silicone (use a broom handle or similar to
hold it until the silicone sets (usually
overnight)) and this gives a secure fix without
any drilling for screw holes etc. To remove it,
use a bread knife of similar to prise it off.
I have several, & they work OK; but buy the
quality ones.

On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 10:28:19 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:55:58 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Peter Jason wrote:
You can by-pass all this, and reduce the clutter
and tangle by using one of these.....
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-5-...354341581.html

I have two for 3 HDD & an SSD and I'm getting a
third for some old IDE HDDs.

Note for the power they plug into a wall socket
via a small transformer.


And how many wall adapters do you have so far ?

I have eight of them right now.

I don't really have room for any more. There
are no good bays left for them. (Some of mine are
mounted in 3D, using cross-shaped 1 to 3 adapters.)

These things are great. And give you extra mileage from
your power strip. You may not be able to use these
on adjacent strip outlets, as you need them to be
spaced to make room for the height of the adapter.
I have around four power strips (the one for the
wall adapters is switched).

https://www.amazon.com/3-grounded-Ou.../dp/B0065N2T5A

*******

Some of the docks aren't properly ballasted so they
stay put. They can also transfer vibration to the drive
(versus a tray that uses silicon grommets for shock relief).

Paul

I use a quality power board ....
https://postimg.cc/image/ng7tr8bgt/
with individual switches. The board is fixed to
the wall, to get it off the bench, with plumber's
roofing silicone (use a broom handle or similar to
hold it until the silicone sets (usually
overnight)) and this gives a secure fix without
any drilling for screw holes etc. To remove it,
use a bread knife of similar to prise it off.
I have several, & they work OK; but buy the
quality ones.

In your first post, you referred to "reduce the clutter and tangle."
After viewing your photo, I see that you were joking. What a mess.

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 10:28:19 +1000, Peter Jason wrote:

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:55:58 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Peter Jason wrote:
You can by-pass all this, and reduce the clutter
and tangle by using one of these.....
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-5-...354341581.html

I have two for 3 HDD & an SSD and I'm getting a
third for some old IDE HDDs.

Note for the power they plug into a wall socket
via a small transformer.

And how many wall adapters do you have so far ?

I have eight of them right now.

I don't really have room for any more. There
are no good bays left for them. (Some of mine are
mounted in 3D, using cross-shaped 1 to 3 adapters.)

These things are great. And give you extra mileage from
your power strip. You may not be able to use these
on adjacent strip outlets, as you need them to be
spaced to make room for the height of the adapter.
I have around four power strips (the one for the
wall adapters is switched).

https://www.amazon.com/3-grounded-Ou.../dp/B0065N2T5A

*******

Some of the docks aren't properly ballasted so they
stay put. They can also transfer vibration to the drive
(versus a tray that uses silicon grommets for shock relief).

Paul
I use a quality power board ....
https://postimg.cc/image/ng7tr8bgt/
with individual switches. The board is fixed to
the wall, to get it off the bench, with plumber's
roofing silicone (use a broom handle or similar to
hold it until the silicone sets (usually
overnight)) and this gives a secure fix without
any drilling for screw holes etc. To remove it,
use a bread knife of similar to prise it off.
I have several, & they work OK; but buy the
quality ones.

In your first post, you referred to "reduce the clutter and tangle."
After viewing your photo, I see that you were joking. What a mess.

The wires could always be siliconed to the wall.

Or we could invite Skybuck over, to show him how to
"tape" the wires to the wall :-)

The wires from my "rats nest", they first rise up from the
power strip area, and loop around the support column of my AV
rack. And then the wire isn't under a lot of tension as it
"flies through the air" to the computer table :-) The computer
table is two pieces of 3/4" 4'x4' half sheets bolted
together (strong enough you can stand on it). You wouldn't
want your computer table to fly away in a wind storm.

The only good thing I can say about my clutter, is
you can't walk into it by accident. But it doesn't have
a lot of other positive qualities.

Paul

On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:47:50 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

I didn't bother to verify Lucy's claim that there are "still" HDDs
around with a Molex power connector. I didn't notice any being
currently sold at Newegg; however, Newegg doesn't sell everything
currently available, so I've had to go elsewhere for more unique
hardware.

More unique is impossible as unique means one only.

On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 22:55:58 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Peter Jason wrote:
You can by-pass all this, and reduce the clutter
and tangle by using one of these.....
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2-5-...354341581.html

I have two for 3 HDD & an SSD and I'm getting a
third for some old IDE HDDs.

Note for the power they plug into a wall socket
via a small transformer.


And how many wall adapters do you have so far ?

I have eight of them right now.

All my drives are USB powered. They don't need a separate power
supply. The one I like most is made by Verbartim. It is a Verbatim
53177 2TB Store and Go. That capacity would have taken up a whole
floor when I started working on computers about 40 years ago. How
things have changed!

Steve

--
http://www.npsnn.com

On 06/02/2018 02:32 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

[snip]

I use 1-foot extension cords, similar to the link below (although I get
them at Walmart), to get the wall warts away from the outlet. Not only
can I use every outlet that way, but the wall warts aren't crammed
tightly together, allowing them to run a bit cooler.

https://www.amazon.com/KMC-Extension.../dp/B075WC3LZG

When I first saw 1-foot extension cords at Walmart, I thought the idea
was ridiculous, but they've turned out to be one of the handiest things
to have around. I've probably got 18-20 of them in service around the
house at the moment.

An ordinary extension cord costs less, and has outlets for 2 or 3 wall
warts.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" --
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

On 06/03/2018 05:50 AM, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

[snip]

All my drives are USB powered. They don't need a separate power
supply. The one I like most is made by Verbartim. It is a Verbatim
53177 2TB Store and Go. That capacity would have taken up a whole
floor when I started working on computers about 40 years ago. How
things have changed!

Steve

About that time I had a job interview at a major aircraft plant. They
showed me their computer room, which had 3 washing-machine sized hard
drives with a total capacity of 1.5GB.

Now I'm trying to imagine 1,3334 times that, as would be required to
hold 2TB.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another" --
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"

On 6/3/2018 2:02 AM, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:47:50 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

I didn't bother to verify Lucy's claim that there are "still" HDDs
around with a Molex power connector. I didn't notice any being
currently sold at Newegg; however, Newegg doesn't sell everything
currently available, so I've had to go elsewhere for more unique
hardware.

More unique is impossible as unique means one only.


Just get a molex-sata adapter cable: https://goo.gl/JZWkGY


https://smile.amazon.com/Power-Cable...+adapter&psc=1

On Sun, 03 Jun 2018 19:02:39 +1000, Lucifer Morningstar wrote:

On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:47:50 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

I didn't bother to verify Lucy's claim that there are "still" HDDs
around with a Molex power connector. I didn't notice any being
currently sold at Newegg; however, Newegg doesn't sell everything
currently available, so I've had to go elsewhere for more unique
hardware.

More unique is impossible as unique means one only.

Useful though - my house is one of four that are 'identical', but there are
small differences, e.g. Where I put a large loft-hatch in my house would be
impossible to do exactly the same next door due to a major joist being about
an inch along.
This means that each of the four is unique (in more than piffling details)
but the one with two rooms knocked into one is 'more' unique.
It's the difference between 'hard' terminology (which should always be used
for technical subjects) and heuman 'fuzzy' terminology. That's why computers
will never quite manage to be like us, although the Turing test was passed
many years ago, when 'help' lines were first 'manned' by automata
indistinguishable from computers. However, the other way round...
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

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On 06/02/2018 02:47 PM, VanguardLH wrote:

[snip]

SATA HDD with just the Molex power connector:
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qim...d9c7ff71f5a7-c

So what looks like a SATA power connector must not work.

[snip]