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  #31  
Old January 17th 19, 04:27 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
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1. It asked me to choose - all options were 7 SP1, but Home
Premium etc., and plain or OEM (which it called COEM). Since the 7
HP I have came with the machine, I chose the latter - was that
right? The sticker (which I took the opportunity to copy - it's
not inside the battery compartment or anything, so was in danger
of rubbing off) has five groups of five characters, rather than
one group being "OEM", but I think they stopped doing that a
while ago - is that right? (I. e. are even OEM keys from stickers
now 5 groups of 5 characters?) If not, should I download the
non-OEM .iso instead - how would I tell? (Although the Windows
came with the machine, the machine came from a reseller, not new.)
[]
The COEM could be "System Builder OEM". That's a non-retail SKU that
doesn't allow moving between PCs. I don't know if the license key
would activate that or not.
[]
Do you think I should download the other one, or is mine likely to be
the (C)OEM one I've downloaded? (I guess the other one is "Retail"?)


The Heidoc tool isn't likely to stop you.


No, I didn't think it would; I just meant I have no great desire to
download both, so which one should I get for my Toshiba laptop - the
(C)OEM one I've got, or the other one?

I'm _unlikely_ to use either, as I image from time to time, and can't
really see me ever using other than the image; there was just a slight
"get it while it's still available" feel that made me get it at all.
[]


These might be the ones I got for the laptop.

X17-24209__64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 (bootable).iso 3.3GB
X17-24208__32-bit Windows 7 Home Premium x86 SP1 (bootable).iso 2.5GB

The Test Machine got a System Builder x64 Pro disc, and
the nearest ISOs I see on disk are these. I'm using Pro
for the memory license enhanced limit (later OSes, the
limits are high enough this is less of an issue).

Win7_Pro_SP1_English_COEM_x32.iso 2.5GB
GSP1RMCPRXFREO_EN_DVD_X17-58517.ISO 3.3GB

The problem with comparing the size, is there exist
more than one copy of the SP1 version. As something
got fixed in the installer or something and the ISO
was re-issued. So comparing that lot with byte-precision
won't guarantee an answer on how identical they are.

I don't have a very fast connection, but I've got
plenty of "cap" and if there's a remote possibility I'll need
it, it gets downloaded. Some of my content comes from
the DigitalRiver era, where no license key need be
entered, and we didn't need Heidoc either. You have
to use these opportunities when they arise.

If you're short of storage, then I'd understand.

Back when I had the 5Mbit/sec ADSL I used to *hate*
downloading stuff like that, because it took forever.
But I got a slightly faster connection since then,
and downloading those is annoying but not traumatic.

Paul
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Old January 17th 19, 03:32 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default (OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
1. It asked me to choose - all options were 7 SP1, but Home
Premium etc., and plain or OEM (which it called COEM). Since the
7 HP I have came with the machine, I chose the latter - was that
right? The sticker (which I took the opportunity to copy - it's
not inside the battery compartment or anything, so was in danger
of rubbing off) has five groups of five characters, rather than
one group being "OEM", but I think they stopped doing that a
while ago - is that right? (I. e. are even OEM keys from
stickers now 5 groups of 5 characters?) If not, should I
download the non-OEM .iso instead - how would I tell? (Although
the Windows came with the machine, the machine came from a
reseller, not new.)
[]
The COEM could be "System Builder OEM". That's a non-retail SKU that
doesn't allow moving between PCs. I don't know if the license key
would activate that or not.
[]
Do you think I should download the other one, or is mine likely to
be the (C)OEM one I've downloaded? (I guess the other one is
"Retail"?)

The Heidoc tool isn't likely to stop you.

No, I didn't think it would; I just meant I have no great desire to
download both, so which one should I get for my Toshiba laptop - the
(C)OEM one I've got, or the other one?
I'm _unlikely_ to use either, as I image from time to time, and
can't really see me ever using other than the image; there was just a
slight "get it while it's still available" feel that made me get it
at all.
[]


These might be the ones I got for the laptop.

X17-24209__64-bit Windows 7 Home Premium x64 SP1 (bootable).iso 3.3GB
X17-24208__32-bit Windows 7 Home Premium x86 SP1 (bootable).iso 2.5GB

The Test Machine got a System Builder x64 Pro disc, and
the nearest ISOs I see on disk are these. I'm using Pro
for the memory license enhanced limit (later OSes, the
limits are high enough this is less of an issue).

Win7_Pro_SP1_English_COEM_x32.iso 2.5GB
GSP1RMCPRXFREO_EN_DVD_X17-58517.ISO 3.3GB

The problem with comparing the size, is there exist
more than one copy of the SP1 version. As something
got fixed in the installer or something and the ISO
was re-issued. So comparing that lot with byte-precision
won't guarantee an answer on how identical they are.

I don't have a very fast connection, but I've got
plenty of "cap" and if there's a remote possibility I'll need
it, it gets downloaded. Some of my content comes from
the DigitalRiver era, where no license key need be
entered, and we didn't need Heidoc either. You have
to use these opportunities when they arise.


That's just it: one of them there's *NO* possibility - not a remote
possibility - I'll need it; I'm just not sure which one. When I run the
HeiDoc tool and select W7, it gives me:

Select edition
Windows 7 SP1
Windows 7 Home Basic SP1
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1
Windows 7 Professional SP1
Windows 7 Professional SP1 Upgrade
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1
Windows 7 SP1 OEM
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 COEM
Windows 7 Professional SP1 COEM
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 COEM

Obviously I go for one of the Home Premium ones, as that's what I've
got. I _assumed_ it's the (C)OEM one, but I'm not entirely sure, as my
sticker doesn't contain "OEM" in place of one of the five-letter groups.
(The one I got - "Win7_HomePrem_SP1_English_COEM_x32.iso" - is
2,564,476,928 bytes [MD5 EC49E3869291F2DC0AAE53C21F3AC51A].)


If you're short of storage, then I'd understand.


Not short - 3.5G would not make a large dent in my 630G free [though if
I downloaded everything I might ever need (e. g. all 8 of the above), I
could soon fill it with downloads I'm never going to use]. But it's more
the principle of the thing.

If my question (do I need the non-[C]OEM one or the [C]OEM one) is less
simple than it seems to me - which, given the amount of apparently
ancillary information you're giving me, is perhaps the case - then I
apologise.

Back when I had the 5Mbit/sec ADSL I used to *hate*
downloading stuff like that, because it took forever.
But I got a slightly faster connection since then,
and downloading those is annoying but not traumatic.

Paul

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  #33  
Old January 17th 19, 07:19 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Default (OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"

On 17/01/2019 14:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I don't have a very fast connection, but I've got
plenty of "cap" and if there's a remote possibility I'll need
it, it gets downloaded. Some of my content comes from
the DigitalRiver era, where no license key need be
entered, and we didn't need Heidoc either. You have
to use these opportunities when they arise.

That's just it: one of them there's*NO* possibility - not a remote
possibility - I'll need it; I'm just not sure which one. When I run the
HeiDoc tool and select W7, it gives me:

Select edition
Windows 7 SP1
Windows 7 Home Basic SP1
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1
Windows 7 Professional SP1
Windows 7 Professional SP1 Upgrade
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1
Windows 7 SP1 OEM
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 COEM
Windows 7 Professional SP1 COEM
Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 COEM

Obviously I go for one of the Home Premium ones, as that's what I've
got. I_assumed_ it's the (C)OEM one, but I'm not entirely sure, as my
sticker doesn't contain "OEM" in place of one of the five-letter groups.
(The one I got - "Win7_HomePrem_SP1_English_COEM_x32.iso" - is
2,564,476,928 bytes [MD5 EC49E3869291F2DC0AAE53C21F3AC51A].)

If you're short of storage, then I'd understand.

Not short - 3.5G would not make a large dent in my 630G free [though if
I downloaded everything I might ever need (e. g. all 8 of the above), I
could soon fill it with downloads I'm never going to use]. But it's more
the principle of the thing.

If my question (do I need the non-[C]OEM one or the [C]OEM one) is less
simple than it seems to me - which, given the amount of apparently
ancillary information you're giving me, is perhaps the case - then I
apologise.


If your COA (5*5) isn't accepted by Microsoft here;
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...nload/windows7
Then your COA must be an (C)OEM.

I personally downloaded the 'Retail' version as well but never needed it.
If when you go to install the W7 then when entering the COA then it will
iether be accepted or will tell you that the COA is not for that Version.
  #34  
Old January 17th 19, 11:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Patrick
writes:
On 17/01/2019 14:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
That's just it: one of them there's*NO* possibility - not a remote
possibility - I'll need it; I'm just not sure which one. When I run the
HeiDoc tool and select W7, it gives me:
Select edition
Windows 7 SP1
Windows 7 Home Basic SP1
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1

[]
Windows 7 SP1 OEM
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 COEM

[]
Obviously I go for one of the Home Premium ones, as that's what I've

[]
If my question (do I need the non-[C]OEM one or the [C]OEM one) is
less
simple than it seems to me - which, given the amount of apparently
ancillary information you're giving me, is perhaps the case - then I
apologise.


If your COA (5*5) isn't accepted by Microsoft here;
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...nload/windows7
Then your COA must be an (C)OEM.


Thanks. I entered my sticker code there, and got

"Error

The product key you've entered appears to be for software which was
pre-installed by the device manufacturer. Please contact the device
manufacturer for software recovery options."

So that sounds like my decision to take the OEM one was the right one.

I personally downloaded the 'Retail' version as well but never needed it.
If when you go to install the W7 then when entering the COA then it
will iether be accepted or will tell you that the COA is not for that
Version.


I don't expect ever to use even my OEM one; I can't think of how it
would ever not be easier to use one of my images, or of a circumstance
where I couldn't. But good to have it (-:
--
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he was eventually struck off by the BMA in 1968 for not knowing his gluteus
maximus from his humerus.
  #35  
Old January 18th 19, 12:19 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default (OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Patrick
writes:
On 17/01/2019 14:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
That's just it: one of them there's*NO* possibility - not a remote
possibility - I'll need it; I'm just not sure which one. When I run the
HeiDoc tool and select W7, it gives me:
Select edition
Windows 7 SP1
Windows 7 Home Basic SP1
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1

[]
Windows 7 SP1 OEM
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 COEM

[]
Obviously I go for one of the Home Premium ones, as that's what I've

[]
If my question (do I need the non-[C]OEM one or the [C]OEM one) is less
simple than it seems to me - which, given the amount of apparently
ancillary information you're giving me, is perhaps the case - then I
apologise.


If your COA (5*5) isn't accepted by Microsoft here;
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/soft...nload/windows7
Then your COA must be an (C)OEM.


Thanks. I entered my sticker code there, and got

"Error

The product key you've entered appears to be for software which was
pre-installed by the device manufacturer. Please contact the device
manufacturer for software recovery options."

So that sounds like my decision to take the OEM one was the right one.

I personally downloaded the 'Retail' version as well but never needed it.
If when you go to install the W7 then when entering the COA then it
will iether be accepted or will tell you that the COA is not for that
Version.


I don't expect ever to use even my OEM one; I can't think of how it
would ever not be easier to use one of my images, or of a circumstance
where I couldn't. But good to have it (-:


I downloaded two for comparison.

Win7_HomePrem_SP1_English_COEM_x32.iso 2,564,476,928 bytes
Win7_HomePrem_SP1_English_x32.iso 2,564,476,928 bytes

I ran Hashdeep on the files, modified the drive letter
in the output text file, then "diffed" them. The only files
that disagree on checksum is \sources\ei.cfg on each.

[EditionID]
HomePremium
[Channel]
OEM
[VL]
0

[EditionID]
HomePremium
[Channel]
Retail
[VL]
0

If you were to remove ei.cfg from a disc, then all
the overlaid images on the disk should magically appear.
There is at least one dedicated tool for removing ei.cfg...
And there are other ways to do it (because at some point in
the past, I did that).

You're not missing much.

If you open \sources\install.wim with 7ZIP, you'll see
five folders numbered 1 through 5, plus an XML file
with the details of what is in each folder. This tells
me, if ei.cfg was removed, the install menu would have
at least five options for installation (... Home Premium,
Pro, Ultimate...) .

By checksumming the install.wim from the outside, that
removed the need to examine thousands of files inside. The
WIM images are the same.

When MSDN subscription DVDs are released, those are more
likely to be missing ei.cfg out of the box. A subscription
user then sees the five menu items during installation
and can pick one.

Paul
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Old January 20th 19, 06:52 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 15/01/2019 23:05, Java Jive wrote:

Just now I'm trying to downgrade a W7 build from Ultimate to Home
Premium without wasting the two months of installation, configuration,
customisation, and testing that it took to make the original Ultimate
build.Â* If Windows was truly modular and Object-Orientated, it would be
a simple thing to do, but Windows is such a steaming monolithic pile of
sphagettified **** that it's almost impossible to do this.


Astonishingly, I seem to have managed it. Here's how - note that the
below assumes that the intended target system has already been
successfully booted using the Ultimate build, but, most probably, the
latter has not been activated, as it was copied from another activated PC:

0) Optionally, but advisedly, you will probably want to backup the
target Ultimate system disk/partition - which as above is assumed to
be working, except for activation, on the intended target PC - using
an imaging program of your choice. FWIW, I use Ghost.

1) On a spare HD in the intended target PC, create a vanilla Home
Premium build with all devices recognised and all updates installed (the
latter assumes that the original Ultimate build was fully updated, which
it was).

2) Mount both the target Ultimate disk (U) and the new Home Premium (H)
disk as extra disks in another working windows system, which for
preference should NOT be the intended target system. To help avoid
confusion, you could give them drive letters U: and H: respectively.

3) If you haven't already on the individual builds when creating them,
you will probably need to select each in turn and give 'Administrators'
ownership throughout each of the two Windows directory heirarchies:
H:\Windows
U:\Windows

4) Temporarily rename H:\Windows\System32\config to, say,
'configHP'.

5) Copy HP over U by running a command prompt as administrator and
giving the command ...
xcopy /c /y /b /h /r /e /x H:\Windows\*.* U:\Windows\*.*

6) Rename H:\Windows\System32\configHP back to 'config'.

7) On the computer acting as host for these steps, run Regedit, and
select 'HKLM'.

8) Still in Regedit, choose File, Load hive, and load ...
U:\Windows\System32\configHP\SOFTWARE
(note 'configHP', *not* 'config')
.... giving a suitable key name for the hive, say, 'U2HP'.

9) Navigate to both ...
HKLM\U2HP\Software\Microsoft\Windows
HKLM\U2HP\Software\Microsoft\WindowsNT
.... and export each key, giving them suitable filenames, say Windows.reg
and WindowsNT.reg, saving them most conveniently in
U:\Windows\System32\configHP

10) Select on HKLM\U2HP and choose File, Unload hive.

11) Repeat step 8 to load the corresponding Ultimate hive from:
U:\Windows\System32\config\SOFTWARE
(it really is 'config' this time)
.... being sure to give *exactly* the same key name as above, 'U2HP'

10) Import the two registry files saved above in step 7.

11) Repeat step 8 to unload the hive.

12) Delete or rename the file:
U:\Windows\Ultimate.xml

13) Eject the two disks from the temporary host system. and load the
Ultimate disk back in its intended target PC.

14) Boot the target PC, which may take longer than usual, as Windows
tries to work out what happened :-) Quite likely it will prompt you for
authentication as soon as you log on, so authenticate using your Home
Premium disk key, and then restart.

The Control Panel system page still says 'Ultimate' - I don't know
whether it might turn out to be important to change that, and I haven't
discovered how anyway - but the same page also shows the build as
being authenticated, so :-), at least for now!
  #37  
Old January 22nd 19, 09:06 PM posted to alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 20/01/2019 17:52, Java Jive wrote:

The Control Panel system page still says 'Ultimate'Â* -Â* I don't know
whether it might turn out to be important to change that, and I haven't
discovered how anywayÂ* -Â* but the same page also shows the build as
being authenticated, so :-), at least for now!


I've discovered the cause of the above. It seems that the directory ...
H:\Windows\Branding
.... did not copy to ...
U:\Windows\Branding
.... successfully, probably because either ...

:-( The permissions on either the source or destination directory
were too tight

.... or ...

:-( The files were copied, but the originals were automatically
restored when the target PC was next booted and took a long time to do so.

I copied the directory into the target PC and was allowed to do so even
though Windows was then running on it, so that suggests to me that
permissions were not a problem, and the second possible explanation is
more likely to be the correct one. Since re-copying the files, the
logon screen and the Control Panel System page now correctly show Home
Premium.

Also, the instructions given above were based on memory, and since
posting them I've checked some of them and found some slight errors, so,
in case it should benefit others, I append corrected instructions below.

0) Optionally, but advisedly, you will probably want to backup the
target Ultimate system disk/partition - which is assumed to be working,
except for activation, on the intended target PC - using an imaging
program of your choice. FWIW, I use Ghost.

1) On a spare HD in the intended target PC, create a vanilla Home
Premium build with all devices recognised and all updates installed (the
latter assumes that the original Ultimate build was fully updated, which
it was).

2) Mount both the target Ultimate disk (U) and the new Home Premium (H)
disk as extra disks in another working windows system, which for
preference should NOT be the intended target system. To help avoid
confusion, you could give them drive letters U: and H: respectively.

3) If you haven't already on the individual builds when creating them,
you will probably need to select each in turn and give 'Administrators'
ownership throughout each of the two Windows directory heirarchies ...
H:\Windows
U:\Windows
.... which you can do from Explorer by rt-clicking each in turn, and
choosing Properties, Security, Advanced, Owner, Edit. Probably also you
will have to grant Administrators Full access throughout both
heirarchies by running a command prompt as administrator and giving the
commands ...
icacls H:\Windows\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F
icacls U:\Windows\*.* /C /Q /L /T /grant Administrators:F

4) Temporarily rename H:\Windows\System32\config to, say,
'configHP'.

5) Going back to the administrator command prompt, copy HP over U by
giving the command ...
xcopy /c /y /b /h /r /e /x H:\Windows\*.* U:\Windows\*.*

6) Rename H:\Windows\System32\configHP back to 'config'.

7) On the computer acting as host for these steps, run Regedit.

8) Still in Regedit, select 'HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE', choose File, Load
hive, and load ...
U:\Windows\System32\configHP\SOFTWARE
(note 'configHP', *not* 'config')
.... giving a suitable key name for the hive, say, 'U2HP'.

9) Navigate to both ...
HKLM\U2HP\Microsoft\Windows
HKLM\U2HP\Microsoft\WindowsNT
.... and export each key, giving them suitable filenames, say Windows.reg
and WindowsNT.reg, saving them most conveniently in
U:\Windows\System32\configHP

10) Select HKLM\U2HP and choose File, Unload hive.

11) Repeat step 8 to load the corresponding Ultimate hive from:
U:\Windows\System32\config\SOFTWARE
(it really is 'config' this time)
.... being sure to give *exactly* the same key name as above, 'U2HP'

10) Import the two registry files saved above in step 7.

11) Repeat step 10 to unload the hive.

12) Delete or rename the file:
U:\Windows\Ultimate.xml

13) Delete or rename the directory:
U:\Windows\System32\spp\tokens\skus\Security-SPP-Component-SKU-Ultimate

14) If you are confident of having done everything coreectly, now, or
else at some time in the future, delete the directory:
U:\Windows\System32\configHP

15) Eject the two disks from the temporary host system. and load the
Ultimate disk back in its intended target PC.

16) Boot the target PC, which may take longer than usual, as Windows
tries to work out what happened. Quite likely it will restrict
usability and prompt you for authentication as soon as you log on, so
authenticate using your Home Premium disk key, and then restart to
regain full functionality.
 




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