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Any hope for trackpad mouse on win10-64?
The major remaining deal breaker issue in my win10 migration saga,
assuming the activation fubar gets fixed, is the trackpad mouse. My workstation does not have room for a mouse. And a mouse hurts my wrist. I have a Cirque GB400 Serial/PS2 trackpad mouse. Been using it on win7-32 for years plugged into the PS/2 port. The scroll function works great. I can make the thing work in 32-bit win10, but not 64-bit. An additional complication is that I don't have a PS/2 port on this Dell Optiplex 780. I've done extensive experimentation with drivers on a different computer that does have the PS/2 port without success. I've tried usb to PS/2 to serial converters. I've tried usb to serial coverters. I have a box full of cirque and alps serial and PS/2 trackpads. All the same. I can move the mouse around, but swiping the right side of the trackpad does not scroll. The scroll feature is a deal breaker. I must have it! The Optiplex 780 does not have a PS/2 port, but does have a serial port. Plugged into that, I get the stock windows driver, but no scrolling. The available drivers seem to be 32-bit only. There exists a USB version of the Cirque trackpad. Cirque claims that the drivers are win8 certified and "should work with win10". Given that the device costs 4x the investment in the whole computer, I'm afraid to take the risk. I have a Logitech K400r with built-in trackpad. Two finger scroll works, but the keyboard sucks. Having the trackpad on the right instead of directly in front of the keyboard makes it awkward. I like to move the pointer with the right hand and click with the left. Drawing a graphic shape with one hand is problematic. I have a Logitech TK-820 keyboard/trackpad. Same problems as the K400r. Keyboard sucks. Trackpad way off to the right of center. They add the complication that it has no buttons. You press directly on the pad to click. It's virtually impossible to click without moving the pointer...what were they thinking... The thing has very aggressive power saving/sleep, so there are random delays between moving the finger and moving the pointer. I have two no-name USB keyboards with trackpads in the center where they belong, but the keyboards are horrible. Scroll works on those. The recurrent theme is that USB devices can scroll and PS/2 or serial devices can't in win10-64. Best so far is the TK-820 with a chunk of wood glued to the trackpad so I can click it with my palm without moving the pointer as much, but it's still awkward. And the trackpad is so sensitive that I'm always getting clicks when all I wanted was to move. Yes, you can turn off the touch-clicks, but that introduces other awkwardness. I added an Alps trackpad in front of the keyboard. It won't scroll, but the pointer and buttons work so I can move with the right hand on the TK-820 and click with the left on the Alps. I also have a logitech mouse. Not enough room on the desk to move it much, but the scroll wheel and buttons can be used in conjunction with either trackpad. One more complication, the Alps trackpad is the only one that will let me move across most of the screen with one swipe. Even with pointer sensitivity set to max, the other standalone trackpads won't get me more than about 1/4 of the screen per swipe. So, what now? I've considered taking the trackpad out of the K400r keyboard and mounting that in front of the keyboard. Problem is that the mechanical construction doesn't lend itself to doing that. I need a 3D printer. I considered bringing the click button wire out of the Tk-820 and moving the buttons where I want them. But I can already do that with a mouse. Another possibility is to use a smartphone with a VNC client or similar as the trackpad. Looking for ideas. Making 32-bit drivers work on 64-bit system? 64-bit trackpad driver that scrolls a cirque serial trackpad? Yes, the obvious solution is to spend $50 on a USB trackpad and hope it works. But I'm cheap. I'd probably opt to move the power cord, fire up 32-bit win7 where everything worked, and keep on trukin'. So far, the only advantage to 64-bit is that I can use 8GB of ram. Win-10 has no advantage other than I'll have to switch eventually. Might as well build it in anticipation of that. |
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Any hope for trackpad mouse on win10-64?
Mike wrote:
The major remaining deal breaker issue in my win10 migration saga, assuming the activation fubar gets fixed, is the trackpad mouse. My workstation does not have room for a mouse. And a mouse hurts my wrist. I have a Cirque GB400 Serial/PS2 trackpad mouse. Been using it on win7-32 for years plugged into the PS/2 port. The scroll function works great. I can make the thing work in 32-bit win10, but not 64-bit. An additional complication is that I don't have a PS/2 port on this Dell Optiplex 780. I've done extensive experimentation with drivers on a different computer that does have the PS/2 port without success. I've tried usb to PS/2 to serial converters. I've tried usb to serial coverters. I have a box full of cirque and alps serial and PS/2 trackpads. All the same. I can move the mouse around, but swiping the right side of the trackpad does not scroll. The scroll feature is a deal breaker. I must have it! The Optiplex 780 does not have a PS/2 port, but does have a serial port. Plugged into that, I get the stock windows driver, but no scrolling. The available drivers seem to be 32-bit only. There exists a USB version of the Cirque trackpad. Cirque claims that the drivers are win8 certified and "should work with win10". Given that the device costs 4x the investment in the whole computer, I'm afraid to take the risk. I have a Logitech K400r with built-in trackpad. Two finger scroll works, but the keyboard sucks. Having the trackpad on the right instead of directly in front of the keyboard makes it awkward. I like to move the pointer with the right hand and click with the left. Drawing a graphic shape with one hand is problematic. I have a Logitech TK-820 keyboard/trackpad. Same problems as the K400r. Keyboard sucks. Trackpad way off to the right of center. They add the complication that it has no buttons. You press directly on the pad to click. It's virtually impossible to click without moving the pointer...what were they thinking... The thing has very aggressive power saving/sleep, so there are random delays between moving the finger and moving the pointer. I have two no-name USB keyboards with trackpads in the center where they belong, but the keyboards are horrible. Scroll works on those. The recurrent theme is that USB devices can scroll and PS/2 or serial devices can't in win10-64. Best so far is the TK-820 with a chunk of wood glued to the trackpad so I can click it with my palm without moving the pointer as much, but it's still awkward. And the trackpad is so sensitive that I'm always getting clicks when all I wanted was to move. Yes, you can turn off the touch-clicks, but that introduces other awkwardness. I added an Alps trackpad in front of the keyboard. It won't scroll, but the pointer and buttons work so I can move with the right hand on the TK-820 and click with the left on the Alps. I also have a logitech mouse. Not enough room on the desk to move it much, but the scroll wheel and buttons can be used in conjunction with either trackpad. One more complication, the Alps trackpad is the only one that will let me move across most of the screen with one swipe. Even with pointer sensitivity set to max, the other standalone trackpads won't get me more than about 1/4 of the screen per swipe. So, what now? I've considered taking the trackpad out of the K400r keyboard and mounting that in front of the keyboard. Problem is that the mechanical construction doesn't lend itself to doing that. I need a 3D printer. I considered bringing the click button wire out of the Tk-820 and moving the buttons where I want them. But I can already do that with a mouse. Another possibility is to use a smartphone with a VNC client or similar as the trackpad. Looking for ideas. Making 32-bit drivers work on 64-bit system? 64-bit trackpad driver that scrolls a cirque serial trackpad? Yes, the obvious solution is to spend $50 on a USB trackpad and hope it works. But I'm cheap. I'd probably opt to move the power cord, fire up 32-bit win7 where everything worked, and keep on trukin'. So far, the only advantage to 64-bit is that I can use 8GB of ram. Win-10 has no advantage other than I'll have to switch eventually. Might as well build it in anticipation of that. http://catalog.update.microsoft.com Search on cirque. ec11ae01-47c7-436d-976a-0275988560ec_f02551c3d52f9546ccd3e5b097098b072b440 293.cab 39,357 bytes GlideTpd.inf and two other files There are references to a Glidepoint 4.0 software, which may go with the driver package. It's possible your scroll function is a filter driver of some sort. But may involve more than just those files on the Catalog site. Also, for some reason, I'm getting references to "Adesso" as well as "Cirque", when looking for a copy of Glidepoint 4.0. This is the most recent Glidepoint I could find, 3.7.1 . https://web.archive.org/web/20150626...GlidePoint.zip It was mentioned here. http://www.adesso.com/productmanuals..._Touchpads.pdf I've no idea what the history of these companies is. Or whether these drivers were ever intended for the GB400. Some of these HID devices don't have the strongest PNP identifier schemes, and the driver/control could grab just about anything HID on the machine with some of them. Paul |
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Any hope for trackpad mouse on win10-64?
On 11/9/2018 8:56 PM, Paul wrote:
Mike wrote: The major remaining deal breaker issue in my win10 migration saga, assuming the activation fubar gets fixed, is the trackpad mouse. My workstation does not have room for a mouse.* And a mouse hurts my wrist. I have a Cirque GB400 Serial/PS2 trackpad mouse. Been using it on win7-32 for years plugged into the PS/2 port. The scroll function works great. I can make the thing work in 32-bit win10, but not 64-bit. An additional complication is that I don't have a PS/2 port on this Dell Optiplex 780. I've done extensive experimentation with drivers on a different computer that does have the PS/2 port without success. I've tried usb to PS/2 to serial converters. I've tried usb to serial coverters. I have a box full of cirque and alps serial and PS/2 trackpads.* All the same. I can move the mouse around, but swiping the right side of the trackpad does not scroll.* The scroll feature is a deal breaker.* I must have it! The Optiplex 780 does not have a PS/2 port, but does have a serial port. Plugged into that, I get the stock windows driver, but no scrolling. The available drivers seem to be 32-bit only. There exists a USB version of the Cirque trackpad.* Cirque claims that the drivers are win8 certified and "should work with win10". Given that the device costs 4x the investment in the whole computer, I'm afraid to take the risk. I have a Logitech K400r with built-in trackpad.* Two finger scroll works, but the keyboard sucks.* Having the trackpad on the right instead of directly in front of the keyboard makes it awkward.* I like to move the pointer with the right hand and click with the left.* Drawing a graphic shape with one hand is problematic. I have a Logitech TK-820 keyboard/trackpad.* Same problems as the K400r. Keyboard sucks.* Trackpad way off to the right of center. They add the complication that it has no buttons.* You press directly on the pad to click.* It's virtually impossible to click without moving the pointer...what were they thinking... The thing has very aggressive power saving/sleep, so there are random delays between moving the finger and moving the pointer. I have two no-name USB keyboards with trackpads in the center where they belong, but the keyboards are horrible.* Scroll works on those. The recurrent theme is that USB devices can scroll and PS/2 or serial devices can't in win10-64. Best so far is the TK-820 with a chunk of wood glued to the trackpad so I can click it with my palm without moving the pointer as much, but it's still awkward.* And the trackpad is so sensitive that I'm always getting clicks when all I wanted was to move.* Yes, you can turn off the touch-clicks, but that introduces other awkwardness. I added an Alps trackpad in front of the keyboard.* It won't scroll, but the pointer and buttons work so I can move with the right hand on the TK-820 and click with the left on the Alps.* I also have a logitech mouse.* Not enough room on the desk to move it much, but the scroll wheel and buttons can be used in conjunction with either trackpad. One more complication, the Alps trackpad is the only one that will let me move across most of the screen with one swipe.* Even with pointer sensitivity set to max, the other standalone trackpads won't get me more than about 1/4 of the screen per swipe. So, what now? I've considered taking the trackpad out of the K400r keyboard and mounting that in front of the keyboard.* Problem is that the mechanical construction doesn't lend itself to doing that. I need a 3D printer. I considered bringing the click button wire out of the Tk-820 and moving the buttons where I want them.* But I can already do that with a mouse. Another possibility is to use a smartphone with a VNC client or similar as the trackpad. Looking for ideas. Making 32-bit drivers work on 64-bit system? 64-bit trackpad driver that scrolls a cirque serial trackpad? Yes, the obvious solution is to spend $50 on a USB trackpad and hope it works.* But I'm cheap.* I'd probably opt to move the power cord, fire up 32-bit win7 where everything worked, and keep on trukin'.* So far, the only advantage to 64-bit is that I can use 8GB of ram.* Win-10 has no advantage other than I'll have to switch eventually.* Might as well build it in anticipation of that. http://catalog.update.microsoft.com Search on cirque. ec11ae01-47c7-436d-976a-0275988560ec_f02551c3d52f9546ccd3e5b097098b072b440 293.cab ** 39,357 bytes ** GlideTpd.inf and two other files There are references to a Glidepoint 4.0 software, which may go with the driver package. Yep, I tried several of those. Problem is that none of the recent cirque drivers support the serial interface. The drivers claim to have been installed, but when I try to link the touchpad to them, it complains that they are not compatible. It's possible your scroll function is a filter driver of some sort. But may involve more than just those files on the Catalog site. Also, for some reason, I'm getting references to "Adesso" as well as "Cirque", when looking for a copy of Glidepoint 4.0. I had little success with the glidepoint drivers on the adesso keyboard/touchpad combo. But the adesso drivers did work on the adesso USB keyboard. Problem is that the keyboard is horrible to use. This is the most recent Glidepoint I could find, 3.7.1 . There's also a 3.7.2 that doesn't scroll. The most recent drivers I can find that claim to support serial touchpads are for windows ME and earlier. There's also an xp update in that package, but it doesn't solve the scroll problem. And they won't even try to install on a 64-bit system. https://web.archive.org/web/20150626...GlidePoint.zip It was mentioned here. http://www.adesso.com/productmanuals..._Touchpads.pdf I've no idea what the history of these companies is. Or whether these drivers were ever intended for the GB400. Some of these HID devices don't have the strongest PNP identifier schemes, and the driver/control could grab just about anything HID on the machine with some of them. I think the difference is in the USB interface. That stuff works on the USB keyboard/touchpads that I have, but the keyboards are crap and impossible to type on with any accuracy or speed. The usb to serial or PS/2 adapters don't help. The Cirque download page says they won't work, but I tried anyway...unsuccessfully. I think I may be out of luck. ** Paul |
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Any hope for trackpad mouse on win10-64?
On 11/10/2018 1:33 AM, Mike wrote:
On 11/9/2018 8:56 PM, Paul wrote: Mike wrote: The major remaining deal breaker issue in my win10 migration saga, assuming the activation fubar gets fixed, is the trackpad mouse. My workstation does not have room for a mouse.* And a mouse hurts my wrist. I have a Cirque GB400 Serial/PS2 trackpad mouse. Been using it on win7-32 for years plugged into the PS/2 port. The scroll function works great. I can make the thing work in 32-bit win10, but not 64-bit. An additional complication is that I don't have a PS/2 port on this Dell Optiplex 780. I've done extensive experimentation with drivers on a different computer that does have the PS/2 port without success. I've tried usb to PS/2 to serial converters. I've tried usb to serial coverters. I have a box full of cirque and alps serial and PS/2 trackpads.* All the same. I can move the mouse around, but swiping the right side of the trackpad does not scroll.* The scroll feature is a deal breaker.* I must have it! The Optiplex 780 does not have a PS/2 port, but does have a serial port. Plugged into that, I get the stock windows driver, but no scrolling. The available drivers seem to be 32-bit only. There exists a USB version of the Cirque trackpad.* Cirque claims that the drivers are win8 certified and "should work with win10". Given that the device costs 4x the investment in the whole computer, I'm afraid to take the risk. I have a Logitech K400r with built-in trackpad.* Two finger scroll works, but the keyboard sucks.* Having the trackpad on the right instead of directly in front of the keyboard makes it awkward.* I like to move the pointer with the right hand and click with the left.* Drawing a graphic shape with one hand is problematic. I have a Logitech TK-820 keyboard/trackpad.* Same problems as the K400r. Keyboard sucks.* Trackpad way off to the right of center. They add the complication that it has no buttons.* You press directly on the pad to click.* It's virtually impossible to click without moving the pointer...what were they thinking... The thing has very aggressive power saving/sleep, so there are random delays between moving the finger and moving the pointer. I have two no-name USB keyboards with trackpads in the center where they belong, but the keyboards are horrible.* Scroll works on those. The recurrent theme is that USB devices can scroll and PS/2 or serial devices can't in win10-64. Best so far is the TK-820 with a chunk of wood glued to the trackpad so I can click it with my palm without moving the pointer as much, but it's still awkward.* And the trackpad is so sensitive that I'm always getting clicks when all I wanted was to move.* Yes, you can turn off the touch-clicks, but that introduces other awkwardness. I added an Alps trackpad in front of the keyboard.* It won't scroll, but the pointer and buttons work so I can move with the right hand on the TK-820 and click with the left on the Alps.* I also have a logitech mouse.* Not enough room on the desk to move it much, but the scroll wheel and buttons can be used in conjunction with either trackpad. One more complication, the Alps trackpad is the only one that will let me move across most of the screen with one swipe.* Even with pointer sensitivity set to max, the other standalone trackpads won't get me more than about 1/4 of the screen per swipe. So, what now? I've considered taking the trackpad out of the K400r keyboard and mounting that in front of the keyboard.* Problem is that the mechanical construction doesn't lend itself to doing that. I need a 3D printer. I considered bringing the click button wire out of the Tk-820 and moving the buttons where I want them.* But I can already do that with a mouse. Another possibility is to use a smartphone with a VNC client or similar as the trackpad. Looking for ideas. Making 32-bit drivers work on 64-bit system? 64-bit trackpad driver that scrolls a cirque serial trackpad? Yes, the obvious solution is to spend $50 on a USB trackpad and hope it works.* But I'm cheap.* I'd probably opt to move the power cord, fire up 32-bit win7 where everything worked, and keep on trukin'.* So far, the only advantage to 64-bit is that I can use 8GB of ram.* Win-10 has no advantage other than I'll have to switch eventually.* Might as well build it in anticipation of that. http://catalog.update.microsoft.com Search on cirque. ec11ae01-47c7-436d-976a-0275988560ec_f02551c3d52f9546ccd3e5b097098b072b440 293.cab *** 39,357 bytes *** GlideTpd.inf and two other files There are references to a Glidepoint 4.0 software, which may go with the driver package. Yep, I tried several of those.* Problem is that none of the recent cirque drivers support the serial interface.** The drivers claim to have been installed, but when I try to link the touchpad to them, it complains that they are not compatible. It's possible your scroll function is a filter driver of some sort. But may involve more than just those files on the Catalog site. Also, for some reason, I'm getting references to "Adesso" as well as "Cirque", when looking for a copy of Glidepoint 4.0. I had little success with the glidepoint drivers on the adesso keyboard/touchpad combo. But the adesso drivers did work on the adesso USB keyboard. Problem is that the keyboard is horrible to use. This is the most recent Glidepoint I could find, 3.7.1 . There's also a 3.7.2 that doesn't scroll. The most recent drivers I can find that claim to support serial touchpads are for windows ME and earlier.* There's also an xp update in that package, but it doesn't solve the scroll problem.* And they won't even try to install on a 64-bit system. https://web.archive.org/web/20150626...GlidePoint.zip It was mentioned here. http://www.adesso.com/productmanuals..._Touchpads.pdf I've no idea what the history of these companies is. Or whether these drivers were ever intended for the GB400. Some of these HID devices don't have the strongest PNP identifier schemes, and the driver/control could grab just about anything HID on the machine with some of them. I think the difference is in the USB interface.* That stuff works on the USB keyboard/touchpads that I have, but the keyboards are crap and impossible to type on with any accuracy or speed.* The usb to serial or PS/2 adapters don't help. The Cirque download page says they won't work, but I tried anyway...unsuccessfully. I think I may be out of luck. *** Paul You are a cheap, Jew ******* who jerks off entirely too much. Stop watching videos of little Jewish boys performing fellatio on midgets, don't jack your dick 20 times a day, then you'll be able to use a normal mouse. |
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On 2018-11-09, Mike wrote:
The major remaining deal breaker issue in my win10 migration saga, assuming the activation fubar gets fixed, is the trackpad mouse. I'm using the Logitech TrackMan Marble / Marble Mouse for all my computers (the Windows 10 one is 32-bits though). This review site also lists and reviews many more brands/types of trackballs: https://www.trackballmouse.org/logitech-trackman-marble/ |
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Any hope for trackpad mouse on win10-64?
On 11/12/2018 1:46 AM, Rasta Robert wrote:
I'm using the Logitech TrackMan Marble / Marble Mouse for all my computers (the Windows 10 one is 32-bits though). This review site also lists and reviews many more brands/types of trackballs: https://www.trackballmouse.org/logitech-trackman-marble/ Trackball mouse... best device to play an old arcade center game called Missile Command! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmvqAEo-oZw -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 ¤£*ɶU! ¤£¶BÄF! ¤£½ä¿ú! ¤£´©¥æ! ¤£¥´¥æ! ¤£¥´§T! ¤£¦Û±þ! ¤£¨D¯«! ½Ð¦Ò¼{ºî´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
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On 2018-11-12 10:20 a.m., Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 11/12/2018 1:46 AM, Rasta Robert wrote: I'm using the Logitech TrackMan Marble / Marble Mouse for all my computers (the Windows 10 one is 32-bits though). This review site also lists and reviews many more brands/types of trackballs: https://www.trackballmouse.org/logitech-trackman-marble/ Trackball mouse... best device to play an old arcade center game called Missile Command! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmvqAEo-oZw I used to love that game on my old Coleco Gemini (Atari 2600 clone). -- SilverSlimer Minds: @silverslimer |
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