Any American made AV's out there?

On 11/4/18 1:31 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a customer that is a government contractor.Â* The "Gov'
is really frowning on non-American made Anti Virus products
begin uses at the customer's site -- especially Kaspersky.

Who are the American made AV's?

I know about PC-Matic, but they are not tested by Av-comparatives

https://www.av-comparatives.org/test...eptember-2018/


meaning they are flaky.

-T

Anyone have any experience with ESET? American tech support, great
av-comparative results, and good consumer reviews.

T wrote:
On 11/4/18 1:31 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a customer that is a government contractor. The "Gov'
is really frowning on non-American made Anti Virus products
begin uses at the customer's site -- especially Kaspersky.

Who are the American made AV's?

I know about PC-Matic, but they are not tested by Av-comparatives

https://www.av-comparatives.org/test...eptember-2018/


meaning they are flaky.

-T

Anyone have any experience with ESET? American tech support, great
av-comparative results, and good consumer reviews.

Papers, please...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESET

Founded 1992; 26 years ago in Slovakia

"Dammit. More foreigners." :-)

But probably pretty good at what they do.
ESET has 1300 employees.

Paul

On 2018-11-04 5:23 p.m., T wrote:
On 11/4/18 2:22 PM, T wrote:
MicrosoftÂ*Â*Â*Â*78.6%Â*Â*Â*Â*99.6%Â*Â*Â*Â*99.99%Â *Â*Â*Â*32
PandaÂ*Â*Â*Â*52.2%Â*Â*Â*Â*98.4%Â*Â*Â*Â*99.97%Â*Â*Â *Â*28


How in the world Panda managed to get worse than m$?
It is a shame.

I still remember a time, around, 2002, when Panda was the best AV you
could purchase.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.


--
SilverSlimer

On 11/5/18 6:11 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 02:09:18 -0800, T wrote:

On 11/4/18 9:26 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

To be frank, I can't see why they are picking on Kaspersky.

McCarthyism
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mccarthyism

Guilt by association or, in this case, by location. Kasperky's
headquarters are in Moscow, so they just must be in cohoots with
Russia's SVR RF and FAPSI.


The thing about McCarthyism is that after the cold war ended
and the Soviet Union's archives were opened up, McCarthy
was right.

*Exactly*!

This is a point that is never made. He set those *******s and their
socialist agenda back about a half century.

Russia is now the new boggy man for the Left. It links
in with Trump derangement syndrome.

Trump screwed up the takeover of the U.S.A. by these traitors. They
never saw him coming. He was a joke. But they ain't laughing now.


Speaking of McCarthyism, there is a terrible black list against
Conservatives in the media, academia, and entertainment. If
it wasn't for the double standard, these Lefties would not
any standards at all. Gleichschaltung lives on.

On 11/5/18 8:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On 2018-11-04 5:23 p.m., T wrote:
On 11/4/18 2:22 PM, T wrote:
MicrosoftÂ*Â*Â*Â*78.6%Â*Â*Â*Â*99.6%Â*Â*Â*Â*99.99%Â *Â*Â*Â*32
PandaÂ*Â*Â*Â*52.2%Â*Â*Â*Â*98.4%Â*Â*Â*Â*99.97%Â*Â*Â *Â*28


How in the world Panda managed to get worse than m$?
It is a shame.

I still remember a time, around, 2002, when Panda was the best AV you
could purchase.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.



No Fooling !!!!! I use to sell them, so I know of what
you speak. Got burned pretty bad on that too.

Panda's fall happened shortly after the fired their
Russian consultants. Interesting that Kaspersky seemed
to come into being short afterward. I have never been
able to confirm with anyone that Kaspersky picked up
Panda's consultants

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 10:43:41 -0800, T wrote:

On 11/5/18 8:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On 2018-11-04 5:23 p.m., T wrote:
On 11/4/18 2:22 PM, T wrote:
MicrosoftÂ*Â*Â*Â*78.6%Â*Â*Â*Â*99.6%Â*Â*Â*Â*99.99%Â *Â*Â*Â*32
PandaÂ*Â*Â*Â*52.2%Â*Â*Â*Â*98.4%Â*Â*Â*Â*99.97%Â*Â*Â *Â*28


How in the world Panda managed to get worse than m$?
It is a shame.

I still remember a time, around, 2002, when Panda was the best AV you
could purchase.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen.



No Fooling !!!!! I use to sell them, so I know of what
you speak. Got burned pretty bad on that too.

Panda's fall happened shortly after the fired their
Russian consultants. Interesting that Kaspersky seemed
to come into being short afterward. I have never been
able to confirm with anyone that Kaspersky picked up
Panda's consultants

On that basis you probably never will. Kaspersky came into existence
in 1997. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_Lab
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 02:09:18 -0800, T wrote:

On 11/4/18 9:26 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

To be frank, I can't see why they are picking on Kaspersky.

McCarthyism
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mccarthyism

Guilt by association or, in this case, by location. Kasperky's
headquarters are in Moscow, so they just must be in cohoots with
Russia's SVR RF and FAPSI.


The thing about McCarthyism is that after the cold war ended
and the Soviet Union's archives were opened up, McCarthy
was right.

He had to be right about something.

Russia is now the new boggy man for the Left. It links
in with Trump derangement syndrome.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 11/5/18 3:00 AM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 11/4/18 1:31 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a customer that is a government contractor.Â* The "Gov'
is really frowning on non-American made Anti Virus products
begin uses at the customer's site -- especially Kaspersky.

Who are the American made AV's?

I know about PC-Matic, but they are not tested by Av-comparatives

https://www.av-comparatives.org/test...eptember-2018/


meaning they are flaky.

-T

Anyone have any experience with ESET?Â* American tech support, great
av-comparative results, and good consumer reviews.

Papers, please...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESET

Â*Â*Â* FoundedÂ*Â*Â* 1992; 26 years ago in Slovakia

"Dammit. More foreigners." :-)

But probably pretty good at what they do.
ESET has 1300 employees.

Â*Â* Paul


Hi Paul,

I just spoke to their sales department and their tech department
three times both. Wow. They are a class act. Well, so far.

I am looking into reselling their stuff.

Bitdefender get tagged for unethical billing practices
on customer reviews

-T

On 11/5/18 11:15 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-05 13:39, T wrote:
On 11/5/18 6:11 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 02:09:18 -0800, T wrote:

On 11/4/18 9:26 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

To be frank, I can't see why they are picking on Kaspersky.

McCarthyism
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mccarthyism

Guilt by association or, in this case, by location.Â* Kasperky's
headquarters are in Moscow, so they just must be in cohoots with
Russia's SVR RF and FAPSI.


The thing about McCarthyism is that after the cold war ended
and the Soviet Union's archives were opened up, McCarthy
was right.

*Exactly*!

This is a point that is never made.Â* He set those *******s and their
socialist agenda back about a half century.

Russia is now the new boggy man for the Left.Â* It links
in with Trump derangement syndrome.

Trump screwed up the takeover of the U.S.A. by these traitors.Â* They
never saw him coming.Â* He was a joke.Â* But they ain't laughing now.


Speaking of McCarthyism, there is a terrible black list against
Conservatives in the media, academia, and entertainment.Â* If
it wasn't for the double standard, these Lefties would not
any standards at all.Â* Gleichschaltung lives on.

Er, "Gleichschaltung" was invented by the Nazis. And it doesn't mean
what you think it means. It means ensuring that every institution of the
state, and every private business or enterprise, conforms to the
official ideology. It was enforced. NB the root word, "force". You know,
SS and Gestapo. We're a long way from that. Eg, you can waffle all you
want about the evil lefties, and no black-uniformed men with deaths-head
badges will show up at your door. No will good ol' boys dressed in white
sheets and pointy hats burn a cross on your lawn. No will men wearing
long grey topcoats and a hat with a red star above its peak ask for your
papers before they haul you away. Nor...

The extreme left and right meet in totalitarianism. There's no
difference. Except in the colours of their flags. Which they both
worship as some kind of magic talisman.

To quote Mercutio: A pox on both your houses!


Hi Wolf,

"Gleichschaltung" was indeed used by the Nazis. Its
roots lay in Political Correctness, which was invented
by the Communists. I was taking a jab at Political
Correctness. Specifically the Trump Russia Collusion
farce which is totally fabricated and requirement for
a good Leftist is required to believe.

Your analysis about the right and the left meeting
in totalitarianism is not correct. The right believes
in Limited government, personal responsibility,
and Liberty: the individual, the family, the community,
then the government.

The Left believes that the individual is subservient
to the government.

This business about the Nazis being Right Wing came
about when Patton's tanks rolled into the concentration
camps and those hideous picture that piling out. This
was a YUGE embarrassment to the Left. So the Nazis got
transformed from flaming Leftists to right wingers.
It is a twist of the propagandists tongue.

“National socialism derives from each of two camps
the pure idea that characterises it: National
resolution from bourgeois tradition; vital, creative
socialism from the teaching of Marxism.�
--Adolpf Hitler [January, 1934] Schoenbaum, p.57

Those that have live under both the Nazis and Soviets
say that the only difference was the language they spoke.
I know one of these.

The Nazis were flaming Left Wingers. Actually a lot of
what they believed is similar to our Democratic
Parts, although a bit more violent. But with With
all the violence against Republicans from the Left
these days (Antifaschistische Aktion), they are getting
very similar to Mousseline's Black Shirts.

-T

On 11/5/18 5:00 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-05 17:42, T wrote:
[...]

Your analysis about the right and the left meeting
in totalitarianism is not correct.

History refutes that claim. And it's not my analysis. There have been
many scholars who have noted (and graced) this historical fact. Before I
knew much about the history of the West, I didn't understand how that
meeting of right and left in totalitarianism could come about.

Right wing totalitarianism comes about when Left Wingers Totalitarian
embarrass themselves on the world state and the Left renames them Right
Wing. FLAMING Leftists like the Nazis are a good example. I can't wait
for the Soviets and Bolsheviks to be called Right Wing, especially
if Russia ever comes to grips with the Soviet Terror.

"Meet in totalitarianism" refers to the historical evolution of right-
and left-wing parties after they seize power and attempt to remake
reality to match their fantasies. They share the same fantasy, too,
which is that their ideologies are descriptions of a possible reality, a
reality that their treacherous enemies have prevented them from
enjoying. Hence the inevitable descent into murder.

Â* The right believes
in Limited government, personal responsibility,
and Liberty: the individual, the family, the community,
then the government.
[...]

That's libertarianism, and (unusually, these days) a fairly practical
version. With a couple fo caveats, it's my stance, too. However,
Libertarianism ultimately fails because it ignores that psychopaths
exist. That is, it doesn't accept that in order to have individual
liberty you need strong governance [1] to prevent the strong from
enslaving the weak.

Exactly of Libertarians. But Conservative are not Libertarians.
Limited Government is not no government.

Conservatives believe the only proper use of a central
government is

1) protection from foreign invasion
2) regulation of the currency
3) protection of one individual from another.

The United States was founded on these principles (called
Jeffersonian Liberalism in those days). And it has
server the United States very well.


I don't think you have a good historical understanding of how
governments have evolved, and how ideologies (that includes religions)

You do realize that the two worst tyrannies to ever beset humanity
(Rome and the Soviet Empire) were both taken down by Orthodox
Christians, do you not?

Do not take this too lightly. All the misbehaving believers in
history do not compare to the 200 million souls Left Wing wackos
have cost humanity int he last century.


inevitably adapt to whatever their adherents believe to be reality. Go
back to Plato and Aristotle to get a handle of how it all started.

The first modern democracy very quickly deteriorated into a
dictatorship. Its instrument of Gleichschaltung was the guillotine.

Actually, that is why the American founders did not establish a
democracy (mob rule). We are specifically a representative
republic for exactly those reasons.


[1] There is a difference between government and governance. Government
is the body that makes policy (and interacts with other governments).
Governance is how those policies are implemented. Good government is
pragmatic and non-ideological: its aim is to maintain peace and order so
that people may conduct their private and public life with minimal
interference from their fellow citizens. Good governance relies on rules
and procedures. IOW, it's a bureaucracy. Both are impersonal, in that
the personal beliefs, whims, and desires of the people tasked with
government and governance figure as little as humanly possible in their
deliberations, decisions, and actions.

That's the ideal. It's an ideal that Western liberal democracies strove
towards, and in my reading of history came closer than any others before
them. It began to unravel in the Reagan-and-Thatcher years, when for the
first time since before the 2nd World War the greedy and power-hungry
ones stopped disguising their aim, which was and is to take hold of
government and use it to fulfill their personal goals.

Best,


Reagan-and-Thatcher actually did a lot of unravel the globalists.
You have it backwards

On 11/5/18 5:10 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-05 17:42, T wrote:
[...]
The Left believes that the individual is subservient
to the government.
[...]

That's feudalism. Odd that you think of it as left-wing. I suppose it's
because Lenin claimed he was left-wing. Communists are feudalist through
and through. When you understand that the feudalist aristocracy behaved
exactly like the Communist hierarchy, and you'll see why that's how it
was and is. It's also, I think, the reason that Communism suits the
Chinese. Feudalist loyalty to parents is bred into the bone.

Lenin was a flaming Leftist and Socialists.

It is interesting how socialists when confronted with the
results of socialism always claim that those failed monster
that who thought they were Socialists were not "actually
real" socialists.

Socialism does not work anywhere it is tried. And yes, they were
real socialists. That you do not like the outcome does not make
them any less so.

The reason for all the horrifying results with socialism is that
is only works on paper. In real life, no one will work when they
see the fruits of their labor taken away from them. You have to
force them with the barrel of a gun. And do things that cause
folks to act altruistically, like throw wars. The Soviets
and Nazis for instance. The Nazis when straight to war.

200 millions souls and counting. Time to learn from history
and give up socialism. 200 million souls is enough.

On 11/5/18 5:23 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-05 17:42, T wrote:
[...]
This business about the Nazis being Right Wing came
about when Patton's tanks rolled into the concentration
camps and those hideous picture that piling out.Â* This
was a YUGE embarrassment to the Left.Â* So the Nazis got
transformed from flaming Leftists to right wingers.
It is a twist of the propagandists tongue.
[...]

I assure you that the Nazis not only were right-wing, they insisted on
being right-wing.

Living like Marxists is not Right Wing. Again that is the
twist of the propagandists tongue.


Their rhetoric against the left wing parties is very
much like the current railing at the left by the self-styled
"conservatives".

This is typically of Leftists. They go after ANYONE that has any
organizational power. They don't care if they are fellow
travelers of not. The Nazis went after anyone that could challenged
them, whether or not there was any challenge. The Seventh Day
Adventists, who would not hurt a fly, really took it on the chin.
It was because they had an organization.

And keep in mind that it was not all one direction, the Soviets
funded Antifaschistische Aktion (as Soros funds the current
version here in America) and Antifa and the Brown Shirts were mortal
enemies. And there was no difference between what the believed,
just who they were loyal to. Both were Left Wing Socialists.

Hell, look at Trotsky's experience in the Soviet People's Paradise.
Typical. Does not matter which side you are on.

And is is not interesting that those Leftist who claim socialists
monsters such as the communists were not "real" socialists, but suddenly
they ar when they are trying to prove that Flaming Left Wing Nazis were
Right Wing because the picked on the Communists. Thought they weren't
"Real" socialists. Hmmmmm

I grew up in Austria, which for a generation pretended
it had been a victim of Nazi conquest. So I know something about how
twisted propaganda actually works.

Austria does have to come to grips with just how voluntary that
takeover was.

See, we all (sociopaths excepted) want to think of ourselves as good,
decent people. So we do what we can to rationalise our darkest desires.
I learned long ago that it doesn't work. We are what we are. But we can
become better than that. It begins with realising that some of the
things we want are evil.

Robert Graves (author of I Claudius) tells this story: On a stele in the
North African desert, you will see this inscription by a Roman soldier:
"I have lived long, and seen much. I have found that there are only two
things that make life worth living: power and love. And no man can have
both."

This is why the American Republic divided power over three branches.
Each holding the other in check. We are not a democracy.

A week central government means maximum freedom. As government
increases, freedom and liberty decrease.

On 11/5/18 5:00 PM, Wolf K wrote:
[1] There is a difference between government and governance. Government
is the body that makes policy (and interacts with other governments).
Governance is how those policies are implemented. Good government is
pragmatic and non-ideological: its aim is to maintain peace and order so
that people may conduct their private and public life with minimal
interference from their fellow citizens. Good governance relies on rules
and procedures. IOW, it's a bureaucracy. Both are impersonal, in that
the personal beliefs, whims, and desires of the people tasked with
government and governance figure as little as humanly possible in their
deliberations,Â*decisions,Â*andÂ*actions.


Thomas Paine Said it much better. This is what General Washington
made all of his new recruits read. This from the our war to throw
those imperialistic British monsters out of our country. (We
lost more souls as a percentage of our population in that war
than any other war in our history.)

Society in every state is a blessing, but government even
in its best state is but a necessary evil. We have it
in our power to begin the world over again.

Some writers have so confounded society with government, as
to leave little or no distinction between them; whereas they
are not only different, but have different origins. Society
is produced by our wants, and government by our wickedness;
the former promotes our happiness POSITIVELY by uniting
our affections, the latter NEGATIVELY by restraining our
vices. The one encourages intercourse, the other creates
distinctions. The first a patron, the last a punisher.

-- Common Sense (1776)

T wrote:

Your analysis about the right and the left meeting
in totalitarianism is not correct. The right believes
in Limited government, personal responsibility,
and Liberty: the individual, the family, the community,
then the government.

Totalitarianism is unrelated to the underlying ideology. Extreme ideologies
be it religious, birthright or political all end like that - until they are
overthrown. Trump is a perfect example. He wishes to control the whole
message about him and his "government", so that he remains in power. He
cares for nothing and no-one else.

The Left believes that the individual is subservient
to the government.

This business about the Nazis being Right Wing came
about when Patton's tanks rolled into the concentration
camps and those hideous picture that piling out. This
was a YUGE embarrassment to the Left. So the Nazis got
transformed from flaming Leftists to right wingers.
It is a twist of the propagandists tongue.

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. This had been pored
over for decades. Nazism is fascism which is a right-wing ideology. End.
Of. Story. You can contort your mind which ever way you want, it won't
change the facts for everyone else.

“National socialism derives from each of two camps
the pure idea that characterises it: National
resolution from bourgeois tradition; vital, creative
socialism from the teaching of Marxism.�
--Adolpf Hitler [January, 1934] Schoenbaum, p.57

Those that have live under both the Nazis and Soviets
say that the only difference was the language they spoke.
I know one of these.

Exactly. That's totalitarianism and authoritarianism. Once the ideology is
in power all that remains is to retain power. The best way to achieve that
is to control the people.

The Nazis were flaming Left Wingers. Actually a lot of
what they believed is similar to our Democratic
Parts, although a bit more violent.

"a bit more violent"!!?? Holy ****! The Nazis were genocidal maniacs. how
you can compare them to a mainstream, law abiding political party is
frankly and utterly unbelievable!

On 2018-11-05 11:00 p.m., T wrote:
On 11/5/18 5:10 PM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-11-05 17:42, T wrote:
[...]
The Left believes that the individual is subservient
to the government.
[...]

That's feudalism. Odd that you think of it as left-wing. I suppose
it's because Lenin claimed he was left-wing. Communists are feudalist
through and through. When you understand that the feudalist
aristocracy behaved exactly like the Communist hierarchy, and you'll
see why that's how it was and is. It's also, I think, the reason that
Communism suits the Chinese. Feudalist loyalty to parents is bred into
the bone.

Lenin was a flaming Leftist and Socialists.

It is interesting how socialists when confronted with the
results of socialism always claim that those failed monster
that who thought they were Socialists were not "actually
real" socialists.

All the while being unable to define what "real Socialism" is and how it
can be applied properly.

Socialism does not work anywhere it is tried.Â* And yes, they were
real socialists.Â* That you do not like the outcome does not make
them any less so.

The reason for all the horrifying results with socialism is that
is only works on paper.Â* In real life, no one will work when they
see the fruits of their labor taken away from them.Â* You have to
force them with the barrel of a gun.Â* And do things that cause
folks to act altruistically, like throw wars.Â* The Soviets
and Nazis for instance.Â* The Nazis when straight to war.

200 millions souls and counting.Â* Time to learn from history
and give up socialism.Â* 200 million souls is enough.

The best place to see how well Socialism works is not Venezuela or Cuba;
it is the education system. Whereas before teachers simply shared their
knowledge and gave passing grades to those who understood and failing
ones to the lazy and stupid, the addition of Socialism in everyone's
education system has resulted in students being passed at all costs and
grades becoming increasingly irrelevant. Teachers no longer even have to
have a knowledge of whatever it is they are teaching because the school
board knows that much of it is glorified babysitting and therefore a
typical loser with a high school diploma can manage the task. Graduation
rates are the most fundamental concern, undeserved graduations being a
strong part of it, and few care whether the kids actually understood the
subject matter because they will be given another, easier test, and
another, and another, and another until they pass. The worst part is
that whereas the authority of the principals and the teachers was once
ultimate and acquisition of knowledge was the primary concern for
everyone involved, the parents have since taken over with their idiotic
concern and the acquisition of a piece of paper is the only thing on
their minds.

THAT is Socialism: the destruction of knowledge, undeserved success, a
voice to those who should remain silent and a complete elimination of
power from those who are suddenly tasked with not only being teachers,
but also psychologists, babysitters and parents to human beings the
biological parents are too lazy to actually raise.

--
SilverSlimer
Proud recipient of special entitlements
Fierce adversary of equal rights, improved productivity and error-reduction