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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
"Paul" wrote
| | Win2K uses to support multiple hardware profiles, | and if you requested to start a new profile, the | profile "started empty". | | On WinXP, a second profile would start life as a | "duplicate" of the first profile. That means, if | you had a dock that your laptop plugged into, the | second profile would have all the usual drivers, plus | the NIC driver for the dock. WinXP didn't have the | convenient feature of making an "empty" ENUM, because | that would promote the idea of moving the OS between | machines. Having these ENUM capabilities says nothing | about bypassing activation, and activation is an | ever-present threat. | | I have deleted ENUM on Windows 10 and then rebooted, | and the OS quite nicely survives the loss of drivers Interesting. I stopped deleting ENUM after Win98 and never create hardware profiles. I just image without IDE drivers, copy it over, then start installing the new drivers. That's on XP. So far I only have disk images for Win7 boxes and haven't needed to use them yet. I've prepped those by removing the boot partition, so that it's a 1-partition image. |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
In message , Paul
writes: [] However, this tool will bypass the key requirement. If you needed a "Windows 7 Home Premium" for your Dell, you could get it this way. And as long as you have the license key from the COA sticker, do a reinstall with your new disc. No key need be entered, to get an ISO download using this too. I presume you mean you _do_ need the sticker key to do the actual (re)install, just not to get the ISO - right? https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno.../67-microsoft- windows-iso-download-tool The Digital River era (where there were URLs pointing to direct downloads), that stopped some time ago. Paul -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The modern world so often thinks that the way to relax is by doing absolutely nothing, and I've never really understood that. Nigella Lawson in RT 2015/10/31-11/6 |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On 15/01/2019 23:28, Mayayana wrote:
"Java Jive" wrote | In 2000/XP, if these were fairly bog-standard, you could copy a build | from one PC to another and there was a reasonable chance it would work, | but if you imaged a build onto new hardware requiring different boot | drivers, booting would stall with a famous 0x0000007b BSOD which means | that the boot hardware it was expecting could not be found. I don't know what you mean by boot hardware. In my experience only IDE drivers have been a problem. The rest is mainly standard and Windows will use defaults until drivers can be installed for motherboard, audio, graphics, etc. Read the link I gave. Usually the cause of the BSOD is different chip drivers for disk access, but also I've had at least one motherboard that needed a particular driver for the graphics port (ie not the graphics card itself but the interface it plugged into). And don't forget IDE was not the only way of accessing a HD, there was also SCSI & SATA, the first of which would need a driver for the SCSI card, and the second of which might have needed a driver if it couldn't mimic IDE/PATA. | Next the boot files did and still do make the same mistake, and instead | of looking for a Windows system in the same partition as themselves, | they need to be told where to find it. So, as I discovered yesterday as | it happens, if I transfer the CD-ROM/HardDrive adaptor containing the | Windows XP partition disk from the CD-bay of my laptop to that of its | docking station, and try to boot XP, I get the f*king BSOD mentioned above! You need to edit boot.ini, as you probably figured out. Of course, but I only wanted to do it temporarily, and it wasn't worth the fag. But I agree that MS have done their best to thwart things. They keep changing boot config. They did that monstrous mess with Vista/7 where there can be a separate, small boot partition if you don't know enough to remove it. Lots of little gotchas. I assume Win8/10 is similar to Vista/7, and that 6/8/10 are all basically variations on Windows 6, with or without Metro tacked on. That's pretty much the case. |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On 15/01/2019 23:23, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Java Jive writes: [] Just now I'm trying to downgrade a W7 build from Ultimate to Home Why? (Just curious; not saying you shouldn't!) Licensing reasons, I only have one Ultimate Licence, but now want to use the same build on a PC that only has a Home Premium licence. |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
In message , Java Jive
writes: On 15/01/2019 23:23, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Java Jive writes: [] Just now I'm trying to downgrade a W7 build from Ultimate to Home Why? (Just curious; not saying you shouldn't!) Licensing reasons, I only have one Ultimate Licence, but now want to use the same build on a PC that only has a Home Premium licence. Why did you not start from HP? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "On the whole, I'm in favour of the state getting out of people's lives, but I would not have a problem with voting being made compulsory. But if you did that, you'd have to have a box for 'None of the above'." Jeremy Paxman, quoted in RT 2015/5/2-8 |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: [] However, this tool will bypass the key requirement. If you needed a "Windows 7 Home Premium" for your Dell, you could get it this way. And as long as you have the license key from the COA sticker, do a reinstall with your new disc. No key need be entered, to get an ISO download using this tool. I presume you mean you _do_ need the sticker key to do the actual (re)install, just not to get the ISO - right? Yes. Need the key for install. Don't need the key for the download. Paul |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Paul writes: [] However, this tool will bypass the key requirement. If you needed a "Windows 7 Home Premium" for your Dell, you could get it this way. And as long as you have the license key from the COA sticker, do a reinstall with your new disc. No key need be entered, to get an ISO download using this tool. I presume you mean you _do_ need the sticker key to do the actual (re)install, just not to get the ISO - right? Yes. Need the key for install. Don't need the key for the download. Paul Thanks. I've just downloaded https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...67-microsoft-w indows-iso-download-tool and run it, and downloaded a .iso as you recommended. Two observations: 1. It asked me to choose - all options were 7 SP1, but Home Premium etc., and plain or OEM (which it called COEM). Since the 7 HP I have came with the machine, I chose the latter - was that right? The sticker (which I took the opportunity to copy - it's not inside the battery compartment or anything, so was in danger of rubbing off) has five groups of five characters, rather than one group being "OEM", but I think they stopped doing that a while ago - is that right? (I. e. are even OEM keys from stickers now 5 groups of 5 characters?) If not, should I download the non-OEM .iso instead - how would I tell? (Although the Windows came with the machine, the machine came from a reseller, not new.) 2. I clicked the relevant Download button, but nothing happened. (The cursor _did_ change from an arrow to a hand when over it.) [I have an audible and visible traffic indicator, bitmeter2, so I knew it wasn't.] I clicked the Copy Link button, and pasted it into my browser of preference (an old Firefox), and a download did start. (And finish.) Not a problem, but I thought I'd mention it. Thanks again for the pointer to the tool. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "On the whole, I'm in favour of the state getting out of people's lives, but I would not have a problem with voting being made compulsory. But if you did that, you'd have to have a box for 'None of the above'." Jeremy Paxman, quoted in RT 2015/5/2-8 |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Paul writes: [] However, this tool will bypass the key requirement. If you needed a "Windows 7 Home Premium" for your Dell, you could get it this way. And as long as you have the license key from the COA sticker, do a reinstall with your new disc. No key need be entered, to get an ISO download using this tool. I presume you mean you _do_ need the sticker key to do the actual (re)install, just not to get the ISO - right? Yes. Need the key for install. Don't need the key for the download. Paul Thanks. I've just downloaded https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...67-microsoft-w indows-iso-download-tool and run it, and downloaded a .iso as you recommended. Two observations: 1. It asked me to choose - all options were 7 SP1, but Home Premium etc., and plain or OEM (which it called COEM). Since the 7 HP I have came with the machine, I chose the latter - was that right? The sticker (which I took the opportunity to copy - it's not inside the battery compartment or anything, so was in danger of rubbing off) has five groups of five characters, rather than one group being "OEM", but I think they stopped doing that a while ago - is that right? (I. e. are even OEM keys from stickers now 5 groups of 5 characters?) If not, should I download the non-OEM .iso instead - how would I tell? (Although the Windows came with the machine, the machine came from a reseller, not new.) 2. I clicked the relevant Download button, but nothing happened. (The cursor _did_ change from an arrow to a hand when over it.) [I have an audible and visible traffic indicator, bitmeter2, so I knew it wasn't.] I clicked the Copy Link button, and pasted it into my browser of preference (an old Firefox), and a download did start. (And finish.) Not a problem, but I thought I'd mention it. Thanks again for the pointer to the tool. The COEM could be "System Builder OEM". That's a non-retail SKU that doesn't allow moving between PCs. I don't know if the license key would activate that or not. When I tried the experiment, I reinstalled Windows 7 Home Premium, probably a Retail version, onto my laptop, and I still had to use phone activation with the 56 digit numbers, to complete the activation step. I doubt any OS "precisely matches" the intention of that COA sticker key, and maybe that's why I had to use phone activation. The thing is, your original machine purchase had Home Premium, and the feature set of *any* Home Premium should be the same, whether it's Retail (movable), System Builder OEM (unmovable), or Royalty OEM (Dell/HP/Acer unmovable). But the first two should be installable using media you can download, and as long as the phone activation step works, you probably don't care. Every time you reinstall, you will be facing the same phone activation step (no humans). If you do something out of the ordinary, it's always possible a human will pick up the line, instead of the machine. It hasn't happened to me, because I've done so few of these things. If you "use" your copy too many times (regardless of type), that's when the key gets locked. If you move a Retail copy 50 times, they don't like that. And if they tell you to **** off, you'll be ****ing off :-) :-) This is based on their suspicion (without proof) of license abuse. I could for example, install the same Retail copy on 50 machines, disconnect the network cable, and then feed them monthly .msu files and keep them up to date. And they would not know, except for the 50 activations on the server. It's assumed that a useful machine needs an internet connection (which they can see). Machines which connect to do Windows Update, likely leave a footprint, and then they'd probably have evidence something fishy is going on, before the counter gets to a preferably high number. Like everything about licensing/activation, don't expect the details to be documented with precision. Details are left out to put miscreants at a disadvantage. When I did my reinstall, all I knew was I *should* be able to do it, without any assurance I could complete the whole process. Paul |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On 15/01/2019 14:55, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Why? Images are so much better. And you thought this would be very useful for Windows 10 users!! are you some idiot cross-posting anything useless stuff? Have you got a proper job or are you living in some geriatric ward? Why should windows 10 users worry about what happens to Windows 7? -- With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows. |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
Wolf K wrote:
On 2019-01-15 18:03, Paul wrote: https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool There are also other sites that offer W7 ISOs, but I'm leery of those. Best, All that Heidoc does, is trick the Microsoft server into preparing a folder on the server with the ISO in it. The user downloads the file from Microsoft, using that URL. The file itself, doesn't come from the Heidoc site. Microsoft stomps on sites which host materials themselves. But there's not much Microsoft can do about torrents (which are distributed over a lot of equipment). For anything hosted on third-party sites, you'd need SHA1 as a bare minimum, and some people no longer trust SHA1. Even though I've not seen any confirmed cases in print that it's cracked. MD5 on the other hand, is easily circumvented, and doesn't require much horsepower at all to construct a counterfeit file (mod the file so that the MD5 value doesn't change). If SHA256 falls, then all your Bitcoins are worthless. Paul |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On Wed, 16 Jan 2019 02:11:42 +0000, ? Good Guy ?
wrote: On 15/01/2019 14:55, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: Why? Images are so much better. And you thought this would be very useful for Windows 10 users!! are you some idiot cross-posting anything useless stuff? Have you got a proper job or are you living in some geriatric ward? Why should windows 10 users worry about what happens to Windows 7? I agree, they should have much greater concerns. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
On 16/01/2019 00:13, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Java Jive writes: On 15/01/2019 23:23, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Java Jive writes: [] Just now I'm trying to downgrade a W7 build from Ultimate to Home Â*Why? (Just curious; not saying you shouldn't!) Licensing reasons, I only have one Ultimate Licence, but now want to use the same build on a PC that only has a Home Premium licence. Why did you not start from HP? Because I had to do the build on a secondary less powerful PC while still being able to use the old, not very good build on the primary one. |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] 1. It asked me to choose - all options were 7 SP1, but Home Premium etc., and plain or OEM (which it called COEM). Since the 7 HP I have came with the machine, I chose the latter - was that right? The sticker (which I took the opportunity to copy - it's not inside the battery compartment or anything, so was in danger of rubbing off) has five groups of five characters, rather than one group being "OEM", but I think they stopped doing that a while ago - is that right? (I. e. are even OEM keys from stickers now 5 groups of 5 characters?) If not, should I download the non-OEM .iso instead - how would I tell? (Although the Windows came with the machine, the machine came from a reseller, not new.) [] The COEM could be "System Builder OEM". That's a non-retail SKU that doesn't allow moving between PCs. I don't know if the license key would activate that or not. [] Do you think I should download the other one, or is mine likely to be the (C)OEM one I've downloaded? (I guess the other one is "Retail"?) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf User Error: Replace user, hit any key to continue. |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] 1. It asked me to choose - all options were 7 SP1, but Home Premium etc., and plain or OEM (which it called COEM). Since the 7 HP I have came with the machine, I chose the latter - was that right? The sticker (which I took the opportunity to copy - it's not inside the battery compartment or anything, so was in danger of rubbing off) has five groups of five characters, rather than one group being "OEM", but I think they stopped doing that a while ago - is that right? (I. e. are even OEM keys from stickers now 5 groups of 5 characters?) If not, should I download the non-OEM .iso instead - how would I tell? (Although the Windows came with the machine, the machine came from a reseller, not new.) [] The COEM could be "System Builder OEM". That's a non-retail SKU that doesn't allow moving between PCs. I don't know if the license key would activate that or not. [] Do you think I should download the other one, or is mine likely to be the (C)OEM one I've downloaded? (I guess the other one is "Retail"?) The Heidoc tool isn't likely to stop you. When you have the discs, you can compare them for us, and tell us how they differ. https://web.archive.org/web/20070915...ver-retail.htm Find your setupp.ini file in the i386 directory on your XP CD. Open it with Notepad of similar. Pid=55034000 Retail = 51882 335 Volume License = 51883 270 OEM = 82503 OEM https://wiki.lunarsoft.net/wiki/Product_IDs So basically the idea is, an unbranded disc (not a Dell), the only difference might be found in a single file. In the example above, it's the setupp.ini file. But that's from the WinXP era. The Vista+ era is likely to do something similar. The disc images might be *almost* identical for all I know. if the tables of values were reliable, you could likely "make any disc from any other disc". It would be harder to make an HP disc from a Dell disc, because each has "custom cruft". Also, clearing one of those files (ei.cfg???) will make a disc generic and a menu should appear listing all the overlaid images available on the disc. Maybe a Win10 disc has eight OS images (which are very similar and only slightly different from one another). So you can take discs that don't have a menu, and bring the menu back. All what you need, is an "ISO editor" for adding or removing files. Paul |
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(OT) "Windows 7 enters its final year of free support"
In message , Paul
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Paul writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [] 1. It asked me to choose - all options were 7 SP1, but Home Premium etc., and plain or OEM (which it called COEM). Since the 7 HP I have came with the machine, I chose the latter - was that right? The sticker (which I took the opportunity to copy - it's not inside the battery compartment or anything, so was in danger of rubbing off) has five groups of five characters, rather than one group being "OEM", but I think they stopped doing that a while ago - is that right? (I. e. are even OEM keys from stickers now 5 groups of 5 characters?) If not, should I download the non-OEM .iso instead - how would I tell? (Although the Windows came with the machine, the machine came from a reseller, not new.) [] The COEM could be "System Builder OEM". That's a non-retail SKU that doesn't allow moving between PCs. I don't know if the license key would activate that or not. [] Do you think I should download the other one, or is mine likely to be the (C)OEM one I've downloaded? (I guess the other one is "Retail"?) The Heidoc tool isn't likely to stop you. No, I didn't think it would; I just meant I have no great desire to download both, so which one should I get for my Toshiba laptop - the (C)OEM one I've got, or the other one? I'm _unlikely_ to use either, as I image from time to time, and can't really see me ever using other than the image; there was just a slight "get it while it's still available" feel that made me get it at all. [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf There's not an app for that. |
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