OK/Cancel dialog, which way round?

On 01/06/2019 00.59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2019 23:31:53 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:



I don't buy cleaners that need bags.* My Vax has a cloth bag I
empty.My Dyson doesn't have any bag at all, although it's rather
disgusting to
see the dirt spinning round a transparent container - very weird idea.

I'll may get one when the current ones I have with paper bags do break
down.

You can probably get a cloth bag replacement for your current model.

Nope. And I don't want it.

Why not?* It saves you having to obtain replacements.* Mine has lasted
the life of the vacuum - 30 years so far.

Because it doesn't filter as well, and I'm allergic to dust mites.
Besides, emptying the dust bag is terrible for my health.


And whatever you do, do not buy a Dyson, they're unreliable
****.Typical British engineering.

I know :-)

And remotes.... I have several for TV, DVD, blueray,
etc. Every one has buttons in different places. I have
to turn up the lights to find stop, pause, or FF because
I can't remember them all. They all have the same
buttons, but all in different places.

....Sorry. This stuff turns me into Andy Rooney.

All that annoys me too.* Even some cars.* I gave my neighbour a
lift in
her own car recently (she felt too unwell to drive), and I could not
find the switch for the headlights!* Every car I've ever owned has
it on
the stalk along with the indicator.* This weird (Rover) car had a
separate switch on the dashboard!

Opel too.

I'd forgotten about them.* An Opel Corsa with not only the headlight
switch on the dash, but the interior light on the same control!* I'd
never encountered a car before where the switch for the interior light
wasn't on the interior light.

No, my Corsa has the interior light on the ceiling, as every car I have
seen.

Maybe only budget or earlier Corsas had it that way.* It was quite
common, as I easily found the switch by Googling and finding many other
drivers wondering how to turn the ****ing interior light on.

Then only the driver can do it.

All external lights are on knob on the dash, left hand side.

On most cars, all the lights are on the stick on the left, indicators
and headlamps and foglights.* Brakes obviously work by the brake pedal.

Intermittents are on a stick on the steering pillar.

What are "intermittents"?

Sorry, blinkers. Translation error.


Long/short headlights selector on the same small stick.

Long and short headlights?* You use weird terms.* Do you mean dipped and
full beam?

Yes. Again, translation errors :-)
I don't know what are the English usual words for things that I never
talk about in years ;-)

And those are terms not easy to find in a dictionary. Dipped and full
beam... Ok! :-)

We call them "crossing light" and "road light", or rather short/long
lights :-) You see, "crossing" because you use when crossing with
another vehicle in the other direction.


Oh, you call that stalk.

Not sure what it's called officially.* I might say stick or stalk.

Oh, I forgot!* I can switch the left or right hand parking aka position
lights by turning that stick left or right when the keys are removed. I
found that out years after owning the car, the handbook is horrible.
Apparently that feature is needed in Germany, when parking by night on
some streets.

My Golf had that, the wrong way round.* I'd indicate left, come to a
halt and stop the car, then find the left position lamp was on, instead
of the right.


--
Cheers, Carlos.

With a quizzical look, Peter Moylan observed:
On 31/05/19 06:32, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
I've never really noticed which way round these things are in Windows,
but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards and MacOS
has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An affirmative
action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the right. It's
been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically assume
the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.

Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...

Only in C programming, not in the better programming languages.

Say what? I don't know of ANY programming language where 0 is true,
however much it incorporates Truth and Beauty.

(0 means false in C, at least according to the compile I did today)

/dps

--
"What do you think of my cart, Miss Morland? A neat one, is not it?
Well hung: curricle-hung in fact. Come sit by me and we'll test the
springs."
(Speculative fiction by H.Lacedaemonian.)

On 01/06/19 16:50, Snidely wrote:
With a quizzical look, Peter Moylan observed:
On 31/05/19 06:32, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
I've never really noticed which way round these things are in
Windows, but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it
backwards and MacOS has it correct. OK on the right, this
makes more sense. An affirmative action is moreso, yes is 1,
no is 0, ok should be to the right. It's been annoying me
recently in a game (Civ VI) when I automatically assume the
button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.

Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...

Only in C programming, not in the better programming languages.

Say what? I don't know of ANY programming language where 0 is true,
however much it incorporates Truth and Beauty.

(0 means false in C, at least according to the compile I did today)

Yes, sorry, I phrased that badly. I was thinking of the
library functions where 0 means "success" and -1 means "failure".
(Except in the case where there can be multiple failure codes.)

This is possible because, in a language with weak type checking, -1 is a
valid unsigned integer.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW, Australia

On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 03:37:10 +0200, Carlos E.R., another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:


We call them "crossing light" and "road light", or rather short/long
lights :-) You see, "crossing" because you use when crossing with
another vehicle in the other direction.

I call HIM a retarded troll, and YOU a retarded troll-feeding senile idiot!

On 31/05/2019 15.10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2019 02:48:52 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 31/05/2019 00.14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2019 22:31:19 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 30/05/2019 23.04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:57:14 +0100, Mayayana
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Commander Kinsey wrote:
| I've never really noticed which way round these things are in
Windows,
| but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards
and
MacOS
| has it correct.Â* OK on the right, this makes more sense.Â* An
affirmative
| action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the
right.It's
| been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I
automatically
assume
| the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.
|
| Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing...
|
| Since when was TRUE 0?

Â*A great example of 1st world problems.

Â*Yes, 0 is false. True is 1 or -1. (A 32-bit value with all bits
switched on is -1.)

Google "what is the value of true in C".

Answer:

The bottom line is that, whenever a Boolean value is generated by an
expression, it ... ... yields 1 if the specified relation is true and 0
if it is false. The result has type int. So, yes, the result of any
Boolean-generating expression will be one for true, or zero for false.


But:

https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/true-invocation.html



16.2 true: Do nothing, successfully

true does nothing except return an exit status of 0, meaning
success. It
can be used as a place holder in shell scripts where a successful
command is needed, although the shell built-in command : (colon) may do
the same thing faster. In most modern shells, true is a built-in
command, so when you use ‘true’ in a script, you’re probably using the
built-in command, not the one documented here.

But what we're talking about here is the attitude of the user.Â* Most
users have never heard of true being 0.Â* However most are familiar with
a car, you use the right pedal for more speed, the left pedal for
less.Hence the right button should be ok or yes, and the left button
cancel
or no.

Middle pedal here is less.

Obviously I'm only talking about the two speed pedals.

That's not obvious to me - here most cars have three pedals.


But we programmers never thought in those terms.

What other sensible way is there?

Try with politics :-p

?

Right side being right, true, better :-P


And some mouse drivers (typically touchpads) have an optional function
to jump the pointer automatically to the default button. Switch it
on or
off, your choice.

That would be fine if nothing ever stole focus.Â*Â* But I've lost count of
the number of times I'm typing an email and accidentally said "yes" to a
dialog from another program.

Yep. So I don't enable that automatism.

There is no way that I know of to disable it.

Oops. Simple in Linux. I thought Windows would have it - must have, I
have not noticed the automatism in my laptop.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 12:36:15 +0200, Carlos E.R., another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered again:

Oops. Simple in Linux. I thought Windows would have it - must have, I
have not noticed the automatism in my laptop.

You are doing this on purpose now, right, my senile little cretin? LOL Guess
what! I'm doing it on purpose, too, you troll-feeding idiot! LOL

"Peter Moylan" wrote

| (0 means false in C, at least according to the compile I did today)
|
| Yes, sorry, I phrased that badly. I was thinking of the
| library functions where 0 means "success" and -1 means "failure".
| (Except in the case where there can be multiple failure codes.)
|

That's not boolean. It's a numeric error code.
The 0 just means "OK" or "success". Generally, if the
only return possible is 0 or -1 it's only because
there's no useful error information to return via
other values. Even then, -1 isn't false. It's "failed".

On Sat, 01 Jun 2019 11:36:15 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 31/05/2019 15.10, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2019 02:48:52 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 31/05/2019 00.14, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2019 22:31:19 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 30/05/2019 23.04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 30 May 2019 21:57:14 +0100, Mayayana
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Commander Kinsey wrote:
| I've never really noticed which way round these things are in
Windows,
| but from a Google search, it appears Windows has it backwards
and
MacOS
| has it correct. OK on the right, this makes more sense. An
affirmative
| action is moreso, yes is 1, no is 0, ok should be to the
right.It's
| been annoying me recently in a game (Civ VI) when I
automatically
assume
| the button on the right is "yes" and click the wrong one.
|
| Except usually "yes" is TRUE which is 0 not 1 in programing....
|
| Since when was TRUE 0?

A great example of 1st world problems.

Yes, 0 is false. True is 1 or -1. (A 32-bit value with all bits
switched on is -1.)

Google "what is the value of true in C".

Answer:

The bottom line is that, whenever a Boolean value is generated by an
expression, it ... ... yields 1 if the specified relation is true and 0
if it is false. The result has type int. So, yes, the result of any
Boolean-generating expression will be one for true, or zero for false.


But:

https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/true-invocation.html



16.2 true: Do nothing, successfully

true does nothing except return an exit status of 0, meaning
success. It
can be used as a place holder in shell scripts where a successful
command is needed, although the shell built-in command : (colon) may do
the same thing faster. In most modern shells, true is a built-in
command, so when you use ‘true’ in a script, you’re probably using the
built-in command, not the one documented here.

But what we're talking about here is the attitude of the user. Most
users have never heard of true being 0. However most are familiar with
a car, you use the right pedal for more speed, the left pedal for
less.Hence the right button should be ok or yes, and the left button
cancel
or no.

Middle pedal here is less.

Obviously I'm only talking about the two speed pedals.

That's not obvious to me - here most cars have three pedals.

Here too, but it's obvious to anyone with a brain that we're discussing the two pedals which control speed.

But we programmers never thought in those terms.

What other sensible way is there?

Try with politics :-p

?

Right side being right, true, better :-P

And it is. The left side steals money from you to pay for others. Charity should always be optional.

And some mouse drivers (typically touchpads) have an optional function
to jump the pointer automatically to the default button. Switch it
on or
off, your choice.

That would be fine if nothing ever stole focus. But I've lost count of
the number of times I'm typing an email and accidentally said "yes" to a
dialog from another program.

Yep. So I don't enable that automatism.

There is no way that I know of to disable it.

Oops. Simple in Linux. I thought Windows would have it - must have, I
have not noticed the automatism in my laptop.

It depends how badly written the programs are on your machine. I can assure you stealing focus is allowed by default in Windows 10.

On Sat, 01 Jun 2019 03:27:29 +0100, wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
OK on the right, this makes more sense.

It also matches the way the human language is read and the directionality
of time's arrow.

Do something?
No and abandon this Yes and continue
and go back to what to the next thing
you were previously that you want to
doing do
------------------ -----------------


Also:
ESCAPE KEY RETURN KEY
NO YES

Agreed and well put.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| It also matches the way the human language is read and the
directionality
| of time's arrow.
|
| Do something?
| No and abandon this Yes and continue
| and go back to what to the next thing
| you were previously that you want to
| doing do
| ------------------ -----------------

| Agreed and well put.

Quite an offbeat, philosophical, but creative
rationalization for your view. Now I guess you
can move on to yes/no/cancel and abort/retry/ignore.
Quantum directionality?

On Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:14:22 +0100, Mayayana wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| It also matches the way the human language is read and the
directionality
| of time's arrow.
|
| Do something?
| No and abandon this Yes and continue
| and go back to what to the next thing
| you were previously that you want to
| doing do
| ------------------ -----------------

| Agreed and well put.

Quite an offbeat, philosophical, but creative
rationalization for your view. Now I guess you
can move on to yes/no/cancel and abort/retry/ignore.
Quantum directionality?

The third state is medium and should be placed inbetween.

"No for god's sake don't close that without saving! / Nevermind just keep it open I'm still working on it. / Yes I'm sure I want to close it, I ****ed it up and you can delete the changes."

On Sat, 01 Jun 2019 02:37:10 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 01/06/2019 00.59, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2019 23:31:53 +0100, Carlos E.R.
wrote:



I don't buy cleaners that need bags. My Vax has a cloth bag I
empty.My Dyson doesn't have any bag at all, although it's rather
disgusting to
see the dirt spinning round a transparent container - very weird idea.

I'll may get one when the current ones I have with paper bags do break
down.

You can probably get a cloth bag replacement for your current model.

Nope. And I don't want it.

Why not? It saves you having to obtain replacements. Mine has lasted
the life of the vacuum - 30 years so far.

Because it doesn't filter as well, and I'm allergic to dust mites.
Besides, emptying the dust bag is terrible for my health.

Fair enough.

And whatever you do, do not buy a Dyson, they're unreliable
****.Typical British engineering.

I know :-)

And remotes.... I have several for TV, DVD, blueray,
etc. Every one has buttons in different places. I have
to turn up the lights to find stop, pause, or FF because
I can't remember them all. They all have the same
buttons, but all in different places.

....Sorry. This stuff turns me into Andy Rooney.

All that annoys me too. Even some cars. I gave my neighbour a
lift in
her own car recently (she felt too unwell to drive), and I could not
find the switch for the headlights! Every car I've ever owned has
it on
the stalk along with the indicator. This weird (Rover) car had a
separate switch on the dashboard!

Opel too.

I'd forgotten about them. An Opel Corsa with not only the headlight
switch on the dash, but the interior light on the same control! I'd
never encountered a car before where the switch for the interior light
wasn't on the interior light.

No, my Corsa has the interior light on the ceiling, as every car I have
seen.

Maybe only budget or earlier Corsas had it that way. It was quite
common, as I easily found the switch by Googling and finding many other
drivers wondering how to turn the ****ing interior light on.

Then only the driver can do it.

Pretty stupid as the passenger might want to.

All external lights are on knob on the dash, left hand side.

On most cars, all the lights are on the stick on the left, indicators
and headlamps and foglights. Brakes obviously work by the brake pedal.

Intermittents are on a stick on the steering pillar.

What are "intermittents"?

Sorry, blinkers. Translation error.

Yes, we usually have those, headlights, and foglights (which I've never used as they look identical to brakelights) on the left stick. Wipers on the right stick, along with radio volume etc.

Long/short headlights selector on the same small stick.

Long and short headlights? You use weird terms. Do you mean dipped and
full beam?

Yes. Again, translation errors :-)
I don't know what are the English usual words for things that I never
talk about in years ;-)

And those are terms not easy to find in a dictionary. Dipped and full
beam... Ok! :-)

We call them "crossing light" and "road light", or rather short/long
lights :-) You see, "crossing" because you use when crossing with
another vehicle in the other direction.

To me "crossing" means at right angles. It's someone at 180 degrees to you you want to dip for.

Mind you, this new stupid idea of daytime running lights has lights as bright as full/road lights on all the bloody time, dazzling everyone coming towards you.

Oh, you call that stalk.

Not sure what it's called officially. I might say stick or stalk.

Oh, I forgot! I can switch the left or right hand parking aka position
lights by turning that stick left or right when the keys are removed. I
found that out years after owning the car, the handbook is horrible.
Apparently that feature is needed in Germany, when parking by night on
some streets.

My Golf had that, the wrong way round. I'd indicate left, come to a
halt and stop the car, then find the left position lamp was on, instead
of the right.

On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 12:14:22 -0400, Mayayana, another obviously brain dead,
troll-feeding senile idiot, blathered again:


Quite an offbeat

He actually IS a ******, and he always beats off after he successfully
baited a few senile idiots on these groups. It's the Scottish ******'s way
of having some surrogate sex.

Gay ****** Birdbrain on Women:

Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) about women:
"I don't want one. Easy enough to get one if I wanted one."
MID:


Gay ****** Birdbrain about women:
"I don't want one, they're nothing but a nuisance."
MID:

More of ****** Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) strange world:
"Women should learn to enjoy sex.."
MID:

More from Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) strange sociopathic
world:
"...men are superior, so a woman dressed as a man looks better, not worse."
MID:

Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) sociopathic "mind" at work:
"Satan is god's wife. Woman are evil."
MID:

More of Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) "deep thinking":
"A woman should never be allowed to operate anything technical."
MID:

More of Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) deep thinking:
"Looking at a woman the wrong way is now illegal. Raising your eyebrow at an
inappropriate time gets you a jail term. At this rate there won't be any
kids being born soon."


Gay ****** Birdbrain about women:
"99% of females are not worth having."
MID:

--
More of Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL) notorious sociopathic
BULL****:
"How come England has a Scotland Yard but Scotland doesn't have an England
Yard? Are the English no good as cops so they import them from up here?"
MID:

On 31/05/2019 22:15, Peeler wrote:
For some inexlicable reason that demented sociopath from Scotland
successfully keeps leading you around by your senile noses! Well, one good
explanation would of course be your senility! G
If you are talking about that idiot by the current name of Kinsey then
we have all killfiled him long ago ever since he started calling himself
some knife and some sword. Can't remember the exact name without
referring to my database but rest assured that we don't see his posts
here. Yes some demented senile psychopaths will continue feeding him
but that is all they do. They should also be killfiled at any early
opportunity to clean up this newsgroup.

Path: aioe.org!news.mixmin.net!news.neodome.net!feeder1. usenet.farm!feed.usenet.farm!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!ne wsfeed9.news.xs4all.nl!85.12.16.68.MISMATCH!peer01 .ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.am 4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx21.am4.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Peeler
Subject: Troll-feeding Senile IDIOT Alert!
Newsgroups: alt.usage.english,alt.comp.os.windows-10
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Organization: A Void
References:
X-Newsreader: Pan/0.141
Lines: 54
Message-ID:
X-Complaints-To: http://abuse.usenetxs.com
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 01 Jun 2019 18:30:28 UTC
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 20:30:11 +0200
X-Received-Bytes: 2829
X-Received-Body-CRC: 4033640652
Xref: aioe.org alt.usage.english:842817 alt.comp.os.windows-10:92594




--
With over 950 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

On Fri, 31 May 2019 20:45:45 GMT, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

On 31/05/2019 15.10, Peeler wrote:
On Fri, 31 May 2019 12:40:43 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

What has all this demented **** got to do with a group like aue, you
driveling IDIOTS?

You can just kill the thread, if it is so disturbing to you. Maybe
you
enjoy telling people how idiots we are.

Make that "troll-feeding senile idiots", idiot!


Enough. I'm killing you. You can insult me all you wish.


Fo your next trick; kill the xposting that the trolls hope will engender
a flame-war.
[fu set to w10]

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug.