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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
Hi All,
Found this one out the hard way: Cobian backup ignores excludes: Cobian backup excludes must be lower case If you dragged and dropped from Windows Explorer, you have to go back and un-capitalize everything I was getting rid of the *.TLG,*.ND, etc. trash files that come with Quick Books. -T |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
T wrote:
Found this one out the hard way: Cobian backup ignores excludes: Cobian backup excludes must be lower case If you dragged and dropped from Windows Explorer, you have to go back and un-capitalize everything I was getting rid of the *.TLG,*.ND, etc. trash files that come with Quick Books. Not a Windows issue. Copying a list of file while retaining the true filename, including any capitalization, is required because there are some programs that are case sensitive. Access through the file I/O system API calls is not case sensitive but file management within the program itself is case sensitive. I thought Cobian Backup was dead for quite awhile now. I see its home page says there is a new owner; however, the forum is dead (well, it was when I tried). Apparently the only means of reporting bugs was through the forums but those may be gone. Using the WayBackMachine site page archive, previous versions of Cobian's home page had a "Contact" e-mail link ). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobian_Backup "Development and support by the original author has been discontinued [3 years ago] with version 11.2.0.582 and the source code has since been sold off." |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
On 11/17/2015 12:38 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: Found this one out the hard way: Cobian backup ignores excludes: Cobian backup excludes must be lower case If you dragged and dropped from Windows Explorer, you have to go back and un-capitalize everything I was getting rid of the *.TLG,*.ND, etc. trash files that come with Quick Books. Not a Windows issue. Copying a list of file while retaining the true filename, including any capitalization, is required because there are some programs that are case sensitive. Access through the file I/O system API calls is not case sensitive but file management within the program itself is case sensitive. I thought Cobian Backup was dead for quite awhile now. I see its home page says there is a new owner; however, the forum is dead (well, it was when I tried). Apparently the only means of reporting bugs was through the forums but those may be gone. Using the WayBackMachine site page archive, previous versions of Cobian's home page had a "Contact" e-mail link ). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobian_Backup "Development and support by the original author has been discontinued [3 years ago] with version 11.2.0.582 and the source code has since been sold off." Hi Vanguard, Definitely a bug in the program. The mask should have been case insensitive. I capitalized the mask because I was matching the case of Quick Books extensions. Took me a bit to figure out why the mask was being ignored. And I reported it here to salt it into Google as Cobian's forum is closed down for some time now. The new owner is listed as: http://www.cobiansoft.com/index.htm Update: The new owner is James Sweeney. I'll update this site soon with more information. Which is great information as there are some bugs I would like fixed. Even though the project has been dead for a while, I still find myself using it a lot, as I have not found anything close that can replace it. I have written a manual backup set rotator to wrap Cobian if anyone wants it. One of Cobian's options is to keep a database of backup sets. This goes severely wrong if you have multiple backup drives. My rotator works around this beautifully. Plus it does disk maintenance every backup. (What? Windows file systems going to hell when you need it the most, like to restore a file? NEVER!) Thank you for the heads up on the new owner. My link to their site did not show it, so I found a better link (the one above) and then it showed up. -T |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
T wrote:
Definitely a bug in the program. The mask should have been case insensitive. I capitalized the mask because I was matching the case of Quick Books extensions. Took me a bit to figure out why the mask was being ignored. And I reported it here to salt it into Google as Cobian's forum is closed down for some time now. The new owner is listed as: http://www.cobiansoft.com/index.htm Update: The new owner is James Sweeney. I'll update this site soon with more information. Been saying that since 25-Jun-2014. Before that and since 23-Apr-2013, it was saying "For Sale: Breaking news: Cobian Backup Source Code is now for sale." Which is great information as there are some bugs I would like fixed. Even though the project has been dead for a while, I still find myself using it a lot, as I have not found anything close that can replace it. Since the new owner who bought the source code has been promising to take up the project First the product was proprietary. Then the author went to open source code. Then he went back to closed code. Then he sold it off. The new owner hasn't changed the web site for 17 months after branding the site with the "new owner" logo. Sure looks like the new owner has no intention of continuing the project. Sometimes a company buys software based on some plan but management discards the plan so the software just collects dust. I worked on a mainframe backup project along with a sysadmin for about a year and had it nearly finished. Mostly just the documentation had to be written. Then the company decided to dump the project. They didn't go with something else. They just decided in their infinitesimal wisdom to not release the project. Another possibility is Sweeney is going to used the purchased source code in a commercial product. So Cobian will remain dead but some new backup program under a different name will show up. Or Sweeney got the code so he could customize it for some internal company use. The copyright notice on the web site still note 2009. With almost a year and half of nothing happening after the code sale, doesn't look like there is much promise that Cobian will become a Lazarus project. A WhoIs on cobiansoft.com still lists the old owner (Cobian). So the new owner hasn't even bothered to update the domain registration. Maybe Sweeney bought the code and then died. It could happen. I have written a manual backup set rotator to wrap Cobian if anyone wants it. One of Cobian's options is to keep a database of backup sets. This goes severely wrong if you have multiple backup drives. My rotator works around this beautifully. Plus it does disk maintenance every backup. (What? Windows file systems going to hell when you need it the most, like to restore a file? NEVER!) There is an old Sourceforge project at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cobianbackup/ Looks abandoned; however, maybe you could get your code hosted there (along with a comment that the Sourceforge version is old and to go to cobiansoft.com or cobian.se to get the latest version). |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
On 11/18/2015 01:58 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: Definitely a bug in the program. The mask should have been case insensitive. I capitalized the mask because I was matching the case of Quick Books extensions. Took me a bit to figure out why the mask was being ignored. And I reported it here to salt it into Google as Cobian's forum is closed down for some time now. The new owner is listed as: http://www.cobiansoft.com/index.htm Update: The new owner is James Sweeney. I'll update this site soon with more information. Been saying that since 25-Jun-2014. Before that and since 23-Apr-2013, it was saying "For Sale: Breaking news: Cobian Backup Source Code is now for sale." Which is great information as there are some bugs I would like fixed. Even though the project has been dead for a while, I still find myself using it a lot, as I have not found anything close that can replace it. Since the new owner who bought the source code has been promising to take up the project First the product was proprietary. Then the author went to open source code. Then he went back to closed code. Then he sold it off. The new owner hasn't changed the web site for 17 months after branding the site with the "new owner" logo. Sure looks like the new owner has no intention of continuing the project. Sometimes a company buys software based on some plan but management discards the plan so the software just collects dust. I worked on a mainframe backup project along with a sysadmin for about a year and had it nearly finished. Mostly just the documentation had to be written. Then the company decided to dump the project. They didn't go with something else. They just decided in their infinitesimal wisdom to not release the project. That has got to take the wind out of your lungs! Another possibility is Sweeney is going to used the purchased source code in a commercial product. So Cobian will remain dead but some new backup program under a different name will show up. Or Sweeney got the code so he could customize it for some internal company use. The copyright notice on the web site still note 2009. With almost a year and half of nothing happening after the code sale, doesn't look like there is much promise that Cobian will become a Lazarus project. A WhoIs on cobiansoft.com still lists the old owner (Cobian). So the new owner hasn't even bothered to update the domain registration. Maybe Sweeney bought the code and then died. It could happen. I have written a manual backup set rotator to wrap Cobian if anyone wants it. One of Cobian's options is to keep a database of backup sets. This goes severely wrong if you have multiple backup drives. My rotator works around this beautifully. Plus it does disk maintenance every backup. (What? Windows file systems going to hell when you need it the most, like to restore a file? NEVER!) There is an old Sourceforge project at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cobianbackup/ Looks abandoned; however, maybe you could get your code hosted there (along with a comment that the Sourceforge version is old and to go to cobiansoft.com or cobian.se to get the latest version). It ain't looking too good. Fortunately, the old version still works well. I would love to see an Open Source version of something like this. One not chocked full of junkware as is Free File Sync (FFS) (Open Candy). FFS also has issues with Volume Shadow copy Service: as far as I can tell, it defaults to regular copy if it finds no locks. This causes others trying to get a lock while FFS is operating on the file to crash. Cobian's Volume Shadow works flawlessly. Of course, if we were to ever get a professional grade file system on Windows -- EXT4, XFS, etc. -- this would not be an issue, not to mention the capitalized file names issues either. |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 04:31:40 -0800, T wrote:
Definitely a bug in the program. The mask should have been case insensitive. I capitalized the mask because I was matching the case of Quick Books extensions. Took me a bit to figure out why the mask was being ignored. And I reported it here to salt it into Google as Cobian's forum is closed down for some time now. I don't think there is any real pathway or link between here and Google. -- Char Jackson |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
On 11/18/2015 02:41 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 04:31:40 -0800, T wrote: Definitely a bug in the program. The mask should have been case insensitive. I capitalized the mask because I was matching the case of Quick Books extensions. Took me a bit to figure out why the mask was being ignored. And I reported it here to salt it into Google as Cobian's forum is closed down for some time now. I don't think there is any real pathway or link between here and Google. I am not finding it is groups.google.com either. That is sad. There is a lot of intellectual knowledge on this group that could benefit a lot of others. |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
In message , T writes:
On 11/18/2015 02:41 PM, Char Jackson wrote: [] I don't think there is any real pathway or link between here and Google. I am not finding it is groups.google.com either. That is sad. There is a lot of intellectual knowledge on this group that could benefit a lot of others. I don't think they do alt.* 'groups. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf science is not intended to be foolproof. Science is about crawling toward the truth over time. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2 |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
T wrote:
On 11/18/2015 01:58 PM, VanguardLH wrote: T wrote: Definitely a bug in the program. The mask should have been case insensitive. I capitalized the mask because I was matching the case of Quick Books extensions. Took me a bit to figure out why the mask was being ignored. And I reported it here to salt it into Google as Cobian's forum is closed down for some time now. The new owner is listed as: http://www.cobiansoft.com/index.htm Update: The new owner is James Sweeney. I'll update this site soon with more information. Been saying that since 25-Jun-2014. Before that and since 23-Apr-2013, it was saying "For Sale: Breaking news: Cobian Backup Source Code is now for sale." Which is great information as there are some bugs I would like fixed. Even though the project has been dead for a while, I still find myself using it a lot, as I have not found anything close that can replace it. Since the new owner who bought the source code has been promising to take up the project First the product was proprietary. Then the author went to open source code. Then he went back to closed code. Then he sold it off. The new owner hasn't changed the web site for 17 months after branding the site with the "new owner" logo. Sure looks like the new owner has no intention of continuing the project. Sometimes a company buys software based on some plan but management discards the plan so the software just collects dust. I worked on a mainframe backup project along with a sysadmin for about a year and had it nearly finished. Mostly just the documentation had to be written. Then the company decided to dump the project. They didn't go with something else. They just decided in their infinitesimal wisdom to not release the project. That has got to take the wind out of your lungs! Another possibility is Sweeney is going to used the purchased source code in a commercial product. So Cobian will remain dead but some new backup program under a different name will show up. Or Sweeney got the code so he could customize it for some internal company use. The copyright notice on the web site still note 2009. With almost a year and half of nothing happening after the code sale, doesn't look like there is much promise that Cobian will become a Lazarus project. A WhoIs on cobiansoft.com still lists the old owner (Cobian). So the new owner hasn't even bothered to update the domain registration. Maybe Sweeney bought the code and then died. It could happen. I have written a manual backup set rotator to wrap Cobian if anyone wants it. One of Cobian's options is to keep a database of backup sets. This goes severely wrong if you have multiple backup drives. My rotator works around this beautifully. Plus it does disk maintenance every backup. (What? Windows file systems going to hell when you need it the most, like to restore a file? NEVER!) There is an old Sourceforge project at: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cobianbackup/ Looks abandoned; however, maybe you could get your code hosted there (along with a comment that the Sourceforge version is old and to go to cobiansoft.com or cobian.se to get the latest version). It ain't looking too good. Fortunately, the old version still works well. I would love to see an Open Source version of something like this. One not chocked full of junkware as is Free File Sync (FFS) (Open Candy). That runs only when called by the installer. It's a DLL file that the installer calls to present the on-demand advertized bloatware. If you just say No to all the additional offers (which you have to do, anyway, for the bloatware that is bundled with other installers) or block the outbound connection then OpenCandy is irrelevant. It gets a lot of undo attention because users do not know how it actually works. FFS also has issues with Volume Shadow copy Service: as far as I can tell, it defaults to regular copy if it finds no locks. This causes others trying to get a lock while FFS is operating on the file to crash. I wanted to copy my data files to my local OneDrive, Google Drive, or similar folder and have the client sync it to an online copy; i.e., use the local sync client to put a copy of the data-only backup up to online storage. However, I wanted the output to be zipped to reduce the disk footprint and with a password. FFS can't do zipping (so it also can't do passwording). It's just a file sync tool. So I went to SyncBackFree which does do .zip output w/password. Nope, the freeware SyncBack won't do VSS, either. You have to pay to get that. For me, about the only files (that I care about regarding potential to restore later) that neither FFS or SyncBackFree couldn't grab (because they don't use VSS) are my e-mail files. I leave my e-mail client loaded all the time so those files are always inuse. However, I use IMAP to my e-mail accounts. That means the IMAP server is itself my backup mechanism. What's in my local copy is the same as what is in the server copy hence the point of using IMAP as the sync protocol. If I install a new e-mail client, do a fresh install of the old one, do a whole new install of the OS with e-mail client, or connect using an e-mail client on another host, what I see in the e-mail client is what I see up on the server. In fact, while I am not susceptible on the client side, I am susceptible to the server and its control over my account. In about 20 years of using IMAP, I think the IMAP server screwed up my Inbox maybe twice. However, I don't use my Inbox as the sole repository of e-mails that I want to keep. I move those into another folder. So any screwup of the Inbox folder is limited to maybe a week's worth of messages that I haven't yet deleted or moved out of there. If you use IMAP to your e-mail account, you don't have to backup the local files. If you need to add VSS to FFS, SyncBack, or some other file sync tool, maybe you could use VSScopy (http://www.vsscopy.com/). I haven't used it so I do not know if it has a CLI (command-line interface) to let you run it from the command line - so you could use it in a batch file or script where you run it first to sync files to a temp/hold folder and then use FFS or SyncBack to upload the files to NAS or online storage. Oh look, I just visited the VSScopy web site and see it does have a CLI: http://vsscopy.com/support/faqs.html I remember looking at VSScopy before but uninstalled it because I needed to work in cooperation with other sync/backup tools. Now that I know it has a CLI, I might look at it again. Cobian's Volume Shadow works flawlessly. Of course, if we were to ever get a professional grade file system on Windows -- EXT4, XFS, etc. -- this would not be an issue, not to mention the capitalized file names issues either. To be fair, FFS and Syncback are primarily synchronization tools. After all, even if they did support VSS, they could only support it for reading the locked file to save a copy up on the server (or wherever is the saved copy of the files). They can't be used to restore those files while the originals are still locked. For e-mail, yeah, you could unload the e-mail program but you can't do that for the system files. They have a different goal for handling files than a backup program despite users often use FFS or SyncBack as backup programs. I can use a big screwdriver as a pry bar, too. Considering Easeus ToDo Home and Macrium Reflect have free versions (and you can even find an older version of Acronis True Image that is free *if* the backed up HDD is made by Western Digital) and since they support VSS, I'm not sure what's the point of continuing to use Cobian. Macrium Reflect Free only does full and differential backups but Easeus free does full, differential, and incrementals. Even when Cobian was actively supported, there were other free alternatives. Typically the lack of changing to another backup program is user inertia: they don't want to learn a different program despite most of the concepts are the same. You're probably not an immotile user. Perhaps your customers are. |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
Char Jackson wrote:
T wrote: I reported it here to salt it into Google as Cobian's forum is closed down for some time now. I don't think there is any real pathway or link between here and Google. Correct. Searching Google Groups (groups.google.com) is not the same as searching using Google's web crawler (www.google.com). For example, if I search on "vanguardLH" (sans quotes) at www.google.com, I see my posts in web-based forums. None of the hits are for my posts in Usenet. There are leeching forums. They use an NNTP-to-HTTP gateway to copy posts to/from Usenet into their web-based forum. This lets them pretend they have a larger audience. Alas, many of those **** up the References header (it is not part of the forum software's database for its records so any replies that go back out to Usenet won't have a References header which means hierarchical threading is lost). In the above www.google.com search, I did see some of my posted leeched from Usenet turn up hits at web-based forums, like vistax64.com, pcbanter.com, office-outlook.com, etc. Howard's Usenet archive is too hard to use (unless you already know the MID on which you want to search for a specific article). Google has destroyed the Deja News archive they acquired as searching is nearly impossible and rarely focused on the actual search criteria. Expecting a post here to get visibility outside of Usenet, like into the leeching NNTP-to-HTTP gatewayed forums or a circumstantial hit (not a search) at Google Groups, will get so little visibility, especially to other Cobian users, that you'd stand a better chance with a lottery. Too bad the professed "new owner" of Cobian doesn't identify himself at the old web site, in the abandoned Sourceforge project, or even bother to change registration of the domain to himself with valid contact info. After 17 months of announcing he bought the code, it's highly likely that the project is dead or getting usurped into some other project. |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes: On 11/18/2015 02:41 PM, Char Jackson wrote: [] I don't think there is any real pathway or link between here and Google. I am not finding it is groups.google.com either. That is sad. There is a lot of intellectual knowledge on this group that could benefit a lot of others. I don't think they do alt.* 'groups. They do the alt.* groups, just not all of them. Think of them as grandfathered from dejanews. The Google archive lacks the manual intervention required to newgroup alt.* additions. If there was an email address for the maintainer, we could send an email and request the addition of the group. Paul |
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found an exclude bug in Cobian Backup
On 11/18/2015 06:12 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
That runs only when called by the installer. It's a DLL file that the installer calls to present the on-demand advertized bloatware. If you just say No to all the additional offers (which you have to do, anyway, for the bloatware that is bundled with other installers) or block the outbound connection then OpenCandy is irrelevant. It gets a lot of undo attention because users do not know how it actually works. I make sure I always run the "Custom" installer for such reasons. Once I find such nonsense, I develop a distrust of the developer and usually will avoid his stuff from that point on. I have enough trouble with the TRASH that Flash and Java updates trying to trick my users into installing. And I am somewhat annoyed at Firefox for making Yahoo the default search engine. That and including Bing in its list of search engines. Thunderbird comes with Bing as its default. I remove it post hast from Thunderbird. |
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