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  #16  
Old October 5th 18, 01:32 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Brian Gregory[_2_]
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Default What is/are "Groove"?

On 05/10/2018 01:30, Brian Gregory wrote:
OneDrive for Business (part of Office 2016 Pro Plus and maybe other
Office versions too) uses Groove as an internal name and probably uses
files with Groove in the name.

I got rid of it, and some other parts of Office 2016 Pro Plus that I
have no interest in using the Office 2016 Deployment Tool. But it's not
simple to use.


Sorry forgot link:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49117

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  #17  
Old October 5th 18, 12:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default What is/are "Groove"?

In message , Brian
Gregory writes:
On 05/10/2018 01:30, Brian Gregory wrote:
OneDrive for Business (part of Office 2016 Pro Plus and maybe other
Office versions too) uses Groove as an internal name and probably uses
files with Groove in the name.
I got rid of it, and some other parts of Office 2016 Pro Plus that I
have no interest in using the Office 2016 Deployment Tool. But it's
not simple to use.


Sorry forgot link:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49117

For others who might have been confused, as I was: Brian's link is to
the Office Deployment Tool, not to notes on how to get rid of anything.
(On the whole, IME Microsoft rarely produce notes on how to remove
anything - though occasionally they do and do it well, as in the case of
the "how to remove Office manually" which someone - Mayayana or
VanguardLH* I think - posted a link to earlier in this thread. That was
very comprehensive - down to registry keys, folder names, and so on.)

(*VanguardLH - I've been wondering for ages: what is the origin of
"VanguardLH"?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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  #18  
Old October 5th 18, 02:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

(*VanguardLH - I've been wondering for ages: what is the origin of
"VanguardLH"?)


I first used my legal (given) name as my nym. However, that was not
unique to find just my posts by my nym. Trying to search on me resulted
in finding way too many others with the same name. I wasn't try to hide
in Usenet (and still am not), or trying to hide in a crowd, or trying to
dodge anyone's kill filters.

In fact, I liked when NNTP providers used to add tracking headers that
were unique to the poster: regardless of nymshifting, they could be
identified by their account at an NNTP provider by looking at a header
(typically a non-overview header), like X-Authenticated-User or
X-UserIDNumber. Then NNTP providers gradually became more anonymizing
to their posters.

When I used to play the Thief stealth games and participated in its
web-based forums, I had a gamer nym of Vanguard. I simply moved my
gamer nym into Usenet. As the number of newsgroups enlarged that I
inhabited (I was subscribed up to 52 at one point), I hit one where
someone already used that nym. To be polite to the that poster and
prevent confusion in identities, I simply added my first and lastname
initials.

My legal name is worthless as a unique Internet identity. I've not yet
found anyone else using VanguardLH. If someone starts, I've had that
nym for a couple decades and they would be the one that is rude by
stepping on mine. You'll notice I add other headers to even more
identify my posts. If someone wants to plonk me, they definitely have
more than enough ammo with a neverchanging nym and e-mail address in the
From header along with using the other headers (if their newsreader can
include testing on non-overview headers). If someone filters on me,
it's very likely I am not interested in any reply they might've
otherwise made to my posts. I'm not desparate to see every article.

So, are you going to next ask me why I use as my e-mail
address? Clue: LH is not a valid [cc]TLD.
  #19  
Old October 5th 18, 09:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH

In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

(*VanguardLH - I've been wondering for ages: what is the origin of
"VanguardLH"?)


Thanks for the following explanation!

I first used my legal (given) name as my nym. However, that was not
unique to find just my posts by my nym. Trying to search on me resulted
in finding way too many others with the same name. I wasn't try to hide
in Usenet (and still am not), or trying to hide in a crowd, or trying to
dodge anyone's kill filters.

In fact, I liked when NNTP providers used to add tracking headers that
were unique to the poster: regardless of nymshifting, they could be
identified by their account at an NNTP provider by looking at a header
(typically a non-overview header), like X-Authenticated-User or
X-UserIDNumber. Then NNTP providers gradually became more anonymizing
to their posters.


And we all know one particular nymshifter, don't we! (I'm not going to
give his current name or he'll just shift again, and I'll have to set
new kill rules again.)

When I used to play the Thief stealth games and participated in its
web-based forums, I had a gamer nym of Vanguard. I simply moved my
gamer nym into Usenet. As the number of newsgroups enlarged that I
inhabited (I was subscribed up to 52 at one point), I hit one where
someone already used that nym. To be polite to the that poster and
prevent confusion in identities, I simply added my first and lastname
initials.


Ah, I see.

My legal name is worthless as a unique Internet identity. I've not yet


(I was fortunate in already having an amateur ("ham") radio callsign,
which was both short and world-unique. [It also happens to contain my
initials: that's not coincidence, the UK authorities let you select a
call, you just had to wait for it to come up, i. e. they wouldn't issue
it early; they happened to be on the Js when I passed, so I only had to
wait a relatively short time - couple of weeks or months - for it.])

found anyone else using VanguardLH. If someone starts, I've had that
nym for a couple decades and they would be the one that is rude by
stepping on mine. You'll notice I add other headers to even more
identify my posts. If someone wants to plonk me, they definitely have


(I hadn't, actually.)

more than enough ammo with a neverchanging nym and e-mail address in the
From header along with using the other headers (if their newsreader can
include testing on non-overview headers). If someone filters on me,
it's very likely I am not interested in any reply they might've
otherwise made to my posts. I'm not desparate to see every article.

So, are you going to next ask me why I use as my e-mail
address? Clue: LH is not a valid [cc]TLD.


So you don't get spam to it. I've been fortunate in never having had
much spam to even my old domain - @soft255.demon.co.uk; since I
registered the new one a year or two ago, I don't think I've had _any_;
if I have, I've had three or four total in that time. Despite having
used my real domain on usenet.

I _do_ however find VanguardLH a bit clumsy to type - do you have a
preferred short form? I notice some people just say Vanguard. (I think
I've sometimes used VLH.)
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isn't more popular. - Scott Adams, 2015
  #20  
Old October 5th 18, 09:40 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default [OT] How to change the 'Subject:' (was: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH)

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
[...]

As we're talking Usenet, Netiquette, etc. a little tidbit you might
not be aware of. Not criticism of any sort, just helpful advice:

Subject: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH


Also for this, a change of the 'Subject:' line, there is a Usenet
'standard', namely:

Subject: New subject (was: Old subject)

i.e. specifically:

Subject: VanguardLH (was: What is/are "Groove"?)

Compliant newsreaders will remove the ' (was: What is/are "Groove"?)'
bit from subsequent responses, so it becomes:

Subject: VanguardLH

Most compliant newsreaders will also recognize/handle local language
versions of 'was' and recognize/handle other delimiters than '(' and ')'.

In my newsreader - tin -, this part of .tin/tinrc handles all that:

# A regular expression that tin will use to find Subject suffixes
# which will be removed when replying or posting followup.
strip_was_regex=.\(([Ww]a[rs]|[Bb]y[l3]o):.*\)\s*$

Elementary, dear Watson! :-)

I hope this is of use to you/anyone.
  #21  
Old October 5th 18, 09:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default [OT] How to change the 'Subject:' (was: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH)

In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
[...]

As we're talking Usenet, Netiquette, etc. a little tidbit you might
not be aware of. Not criticism of any sort, just helpful advice:

Subject: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH


Also for this, a change of the 'Subject:' line, there is a Usenet
'standard', namely:

Subject: New subject (was: Old subject)

i.e. specifically:

Subject: VanguardLH (was: What is/are "Groove"?)

Compliant newsreaders will remove the ' (was: What is/are "Groove"?)'
bit from subsequent responses, so it becomes:

Subject: VanguardLH


Well, I never knew that! Thanks. Bit like the "-- " delimiter.

Most compliant newsreaders will also recognize/handle local language
versions of 'was' and recognize/handle other delimiters than '(' and ')'.

In my newsreader - tin -, this part of .tin/tinrc handles all that:

# A regular expression that tin will use to find Subject suffixes
# which will be removed when replying or posting followup.
strip_was_regex=.\(([Ww]a[rs]|[Bb]y[l3]o):.*\)\s*$

Elementary, dear Watson! :-)


I see "was" (English) and "war" (German) in that, and (I think) I can
see "by", though no other languages.

I hope this is of use to you/anyone.


I'll try to remember the format (-:
--
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Bread is lovely, don't get me wrong. But it's not cake. Or it's rubbish cake.
I always thought that bread needed more sugar and some icing. - Sarah Millican
(Radio Times 11-17 May 2013)
  #22  
Old October 5th 18, 09:55 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ken Blake[_5_]
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Default What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH

On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 21:05:36 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:


And we all know one particular nymshifter, don't we! (I'm not going to
give his current name or he'll just shift again, and I'll have to set
new kill rules again.)



I never mind if he, or some other troll, shifts again. It takes only a
second or two to plonk the new name.

Nymshifters shift to foil those who have plonked them, but doing so
doesn't work. They waste more of their time shifting than I do
replonking.
  #23  
Old October 5th 18, 10:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

VanguardLH WROTE:

So, are you going to next ask me why I use as my e-mail
address? Clue: LH is not a valid [cc]TLD.


So you don't get spam to it. I've been fortunate in never having had
much spam to even my old domain - @soft255.demon.co.uk; since I
registered the new one a year or two ago, I don't think I've had
_any_; if I have, I've had three or four total in that time. Despite
having used my real domain on usenet.


It's legal syntax for an e-mail address. I had problems with an email
field in the From header not being valid syntax with some NNTP server I
used awhile back but they did not force me to use the e-mail address
used to register with their service. I wasn't interested in having my
e-mail address harvested by bots or even energize a troll or spammer to
target some valid e-mail provider. To be polite, I wasn't going to use
an e-mail address that I didn't have, that someone else might get, or
inflict spam upon any domain by using a bogus e-mail address at a legit
e-mail provider (e.g., Hotmail, Yahoo, etc).

While bots can certainly harvest
from my posts, they can
never deliver to it. Why? Because there is no such [cc]TLD ([country
code] top-level domain) as LH. Any spammer who tries to send to that
e-mail address will have an immediate error from their SMTP server
regarding use of an invalid TLD, probably as an NDR (non-deliverable
report). I don't care that they may not get the NDR. I prevent them
from impacting any receiving SMTP server from ever getting their turds
or even wasting any resources in establishing a mail session with the
spammer sending server. If LH ever gets registered as a TLD, I might
have to do something with the e-mail address, like add a trailing "X",
but that won't affect my nym.

Not only can a spammer never send me e-mail but they can't even waste
resources at an e-mail provider to establish a mail session to then
bother rejecting the spam. I have no interest in using without
permission the resources of an e-mail provider as a make-shift honeypot
nor consume any of their resources having to even communicate to the
spammer's sending server.

I have tried other schemes regarding e-mail. I would munge or obfuscate
my e-mail address but bots got more clever. I'd munge sufficiently but
still be clear to a human what was my true e-mail address without a bot
also figuring out how to unmunge, but anything obvious to someone else
could be programmed to be obvious to a bot. I gave up on munging which
also meant that I didn't have to bother adding a signature to tell a
human how to unmunge my e-mail address (bots can't read instructions).

For awhile, I had a special e-mail account used only for e-mails from
Usenet posters. To prevent spam from targeting that account, my
signature specified a special passphrase necessary to get past an
anti-spam rule in that account. If any e-mail hit that special-use
account without the passphrase in the Subject, it got discarded. Not
just deleted to dump it into the Trash folder but rejected upon receipt,
so it never showed up anywhere in my account.

I eventually decided that I did not want to take offline any discussions
started in Usenet. I got rid of the munging, using passphrases,
signatures telling humans how to unmunge or using a passphrase, and a
special-use account. In a couple decades here, I've only taken offline
a couple discussions (about malware where I didn't want to provide any
clues to script kiddies to assist them with their ****-shifting).

I _do_ however find VanguardLH a bit clumsy to type - do you have a
preferred short form? I notice some people just say Vanguard. (I
think I've sometimes used VLH.)


Nyms are just strings to help identify someone. You don't have to
capitalize anything. VanguardLH and vanguardlh are the same as far as
nyms are concerned. I could call you j.p. gilliver, gilliver, or john
(no caps) and it would still be addressing you. I could even use j.P.
gIlLiVeR. The attribution line simply identifies to who you quoted in
your reply. If there's doubt as to who you replied, look at the
References header to identify the parent post. While vanguard isn't
accurate, is is sufficient in most cases as long as some other poster
has not already established an identity using that nym. Laziness
doesn't excuse impoliteness. VLH is okay, too, again as long as no one
in the group has ever used that abbreviation. It would be like me using
Gilly or gill in an attribution line when replying to you. Might be
sufficient within the context of a discussion and even with the
community (newsgroup) where the discussion resides.

Nyms (names) should be pronouncable, just like when you greet someone at
a party. If I catch it, I'll remove non-alphanumerics from someone's
num in my reply, like "(PeteCreswell)" becomes "PeteCreswell". I
certainly wouldn't approach him face to face to say, "Hello, Mister left
parenthesis Pete Creswell right parenthesis". E-mail address are also
not names, so I lop off the domain (right token) and just leave the
username token in the attribution line. When face-to-face, I'm not
addressing someone as "Hello, jack patton at astraweb dot com".
Everyone at the party would look at me like I was nuts ("what's the ****
wrong with that guy?").
  #24  
Old October 6th 18, 01:23 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , VanguardLH
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

VanguardLH WROTE:

So, are you going to next ask me why I use as my e-mail
address? Clue: LH is not a valid [cc]TLD.


So you don't get spam to it. I've been fortunate in never having had
much spam to even my old domain - @soft255.demon.co.uk; since I
registered the new one a year or two ago, I don't think I've had
_any_; if I have, I've had three or four total in that time. Despite
having used my real domain on usenet.


It's legal syntax for an e-mail address. I had problems with an email
field in the From header not being valid syntax with some NNTP server I
used awhile back but they did not force me to use the e-mail address
used to register with their service. I wasn't interested in having my
e-mail address harvested by bots or even energize a troll or spammer to
target some valid e-mail provider. To be polite, I wasn't going to use
an e-mail address that I didn't have, that someone else might get, or
inflict spam upon any domain by using a bogus e-mail address at a legit
e-mail provider (e.g., Hotmail, Yahoo, etc).


I suppose you wanted it to _look_ real, so didn't want to use the
".invalid" tld.
[]
I eventually decided that I did not want to take offline any discussions
started in Usenet. I got rid of the munging, using passphrases,
signatures telling humans how to unmunge or using a passphrase, and a
special-use account. In a couple decades here, I've only taken offline
a couple discussions (about malware where I didn't want to provide any
clues to script kiddies to assist them with their ****-shifting).


I too have had very few people email me directly in response to a usenet
post, despite using my real domain: I'd say between none and four or
five a year. (And the ones I do get are frequently ones where someone's
hit reply instead of followup, or the machinery in one of the
mailinglists-treated-as-newsgroups has gone wrong with the same effect,
i. e. a followup came to me as an email.)

I _do_ however find VanguardLH a bit clumsy to type - do you have a
preferred short form? I notice some people just say Vanguard. (I
think I've sometimes used VLH.)


Nyms are just strings to help identify someone. You don't have to

[]
References header to identify the parent post. While vanguard isn't
accurate, is is sufficient in most cases as long as some other poster
has not already established an identity using that nym. Laziness
doesn't excuse impoliteness. VLH is okay, too, again as long as no one
in the group has ever used that abbreviation. It would be like me using
Gilly or gill in an attribution line when replying to you. Might be
sufficient within the context of a discussion and even with the
community (newsgroup) where the discussion resides.


I don't think I've seen any other Vanguards in the 'groups I see you in.
I might just use the before-@ part of your "address" ...
[]
parenthesis Pete Creswell right parenthesis". E-mail address are also
not names, so I lop off the domain (right token) and just leave the
username token in the attribution line. When face-to-face, I'm not


.... as you suggest. (-:
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Often at work I wish they'd pay me what I'm worth, but sometimes I'm glad they
don't. (BrritSki, in uk.media.radio.archers, on 2000-12-25.)
  #25  
Old October 6th 18, 05:47 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mr. Man-wai Chang
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On 10/5/2018 6:08 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mr. Man-wai
Chang writes:
[]
It's something like iTunes, I believe. And I don't use it!

See Vanguard's comprehensive reply a few posts back. It was indeed
something like iTunes and other similar music-selling systems; but, in
.....
more versions of the Office suite - at least the 2007 one, maybe more. I
get the impression that if you don't use that feature of Office (I think
it's something to do with collaborative work), you don't need it.


In the old days, people don't do presentation with videos, only slides
and A4 transparent plastic sheets (damit, forgot about its name) with
static content.

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  #26  
Old October 6th 18, 07:59 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I suppose you wanted it to _look_ real, so didn't want to use the
".invalid" tld.


Anyone can program a script (after harvest by bot) to strip the .invalid
and cycle through the standard TLDs. By itself, it is insufficient to
hide your true e-mail address. I've also seen users try invalid.com
without realizing they don't have permission to use that registered
domain. They also try example.com. I've seen them use simple munging
that is easy to thwart.

Remember that I am not trying to hide but instead maintain a Usenet
identity. Using .invalid, example.com, nospam.invalid, and other common
permutation has me hiding in a crowd (of others doing the same).

I don't think I've seen any other Vanguards in the 'groups I see you in.


How many newsgroups do you inhabit? I was up to 52 at one time but that
doesn't mean always the same newsgroups. I added "LH" so long ago that
I don't remember when, and Google made searching their archive useless.

I might just use the before-@ part of your "address" ...


As I stated before, an e-mail address is not a name. It is, um, an
e-mail address. Do you really want people to start calling you "Mister
gee six jay pee gee dash two fifty five at two fifty five soft dot you
kay"? Would you think it polite to be called G6JPG-255 from the left
token of your e-mail address when you obviously specified a more normal
nym in the comment field of your From header? How is adding LH more
difficult than adding (John) to their attribution line for your nym? My
nym is shorter and much simpler than yours.
  #27  
Old October 6th 18, 01:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Frank Slootweg
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Default [OT] How to (not) munge an e-mail address. (was: What is/are "Groove"? Now VanguardLH)

VanguardLH wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I suppose you wanted it to _look_ real, so didn't want to use the
".invalid" tld.


Anyone can program a script (after harvest by bot) to strip the .invalid
and cycle through the standard TLDs. By itself, it is insufficient to
hide your true e-mail address.


'.invalid' is not intended to hide your true e-mail address - which,
as you explain, is an exercise in futility -, but to indicate that
what's before the '.invalid' is ... drum roll ... not a valid e-mail
address, so News clients shouldn't bother trying to e-mail to it.

See my 'From:' for an example.

This way, one can satisfy the NetNews article format RFQ that a
NetNews article should (must?) have an e-mail address, while at the same
time not giving a real/valid e-mail address and indicating that fact to
the newsreader (the software and the human).

So to be compliant with all RFCs you should append '.invalid' to '
'.

Your comment that '.lh' is a non-existing TLD is invalid :-), because
it's not up to you to (ab)use a TLD which does not exist (yet). Just as
it's not up to you to (ab)use any other part of the RHS or LHS.

You're only allowed to use an address which is yours (to use). If not,
it must have '.invalid' appended to it.

Note: I don't mind one bit about that 'infringement', but them's the
rules.

[...]
  #28  
Old October 6th 18, 05:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Mr. Man-wai Chang
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On 10/6/2018 12:47 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
... A4 transparent plastic sheets (damit, forgot about its name) with


Figure it out: overhead projector and transparencies!

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