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Old April 23rd 11, 08:54 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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I wish to address another point that nobody else seems to address. Depending
on how many DVDs you plan to burn, choosing a full-size high-speed burner (with
an external power supply) might be a better option.
The slim-size one you've been looking at is limited to 8X, for a reason. The
USB can't supply the power for higher speeds, even with two connectors. But the
main point is, that burning many DVDs at such slow speeds is a PITA. Especially
since the advertised 8X is only really 8X at the very end of the DVD; in the
beginning and during most of the time it is in fact 2X, 4X and 6X. And the read
speeds are higher on the big ones too, in case you want to copy or read large
files quickly.
The only limitation on the big drives might be the USB transfer speed. The
16X speed is 22MB/s, while on my laptop USB2 can't achieve more than 20MB/s.
Thus, I can't actually burn at 16X, and do it at 12X. The difference in burn
times is not big between those two, however, as most of the time is spent
burning at slower speeds from 4X up to 12X anyway.
Oh, and apart from reading the customer reviews, avoid SONY drives like the
plague, no matter what the reviews. It helps that they are overpriced, too.


Jo-Anne wrote:
Although I planned to buy an external DVD burner when I purchased my WinXP
netbook in 2009, I didn't do it. Now I have more of a need for one
(installing some software, copying files, playing CDs and DVDs) and have
found an enormous number to choose from.

The advice I received here in 2009 was to check reviews and not to go by
price--that more expensive wasn't necessarily better. But what else should I
consider? For example, will all burners work with WinXP? Is tray loading
better than slot loading? Should any brands be avoided? I'd be grateful for
advice.


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Old April 23rd 11, 08:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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Default choosing an external DVD burner

On 4/23/2011 2:44 PM, Jo-Anne wrote:
wrote in message
...
On 4/23/2011 12:54 PM, BillW50 wrote:
Hi Jo-Anne! Yes I noticed this too. Although I did notice something
looking at it again. As the D version will also write to DVDs. While the
F version seems to only read and not write.


Well if you use that link I posted, it looked that way. But when you look
at them individually, they are all writers. Frankly I don't think it makes
a whole lot of difference which one you get Jo-Anne to be honest with you.


Thank you very much, Bill! I just ordered the SE-S084D model from Newegg.
It's a relief not to have to hunt through the large number of burners
available.


Hi Jo-Anne! You're welcome. And I had my three for 2 years now and they
still work just fine. Mine are the older version B, but those D and F
versions should be just fine. ;-)

I have tried others and there was some problems. These were flawless and
thus why I like them so much. ;-)

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Old April 23rd 11, 08:57 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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Jo-Anne wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
On 4/23/2011 12:54 PM, BillW50 wrote:
Hi Jo-Anne! Yes I noticed this too. Although I did notice something
looking at it again. As the D version will also write to DVDs. While the
F version seems to only read and not write.

Well if you use that link I posted, it looked that way. But when you look
at them individually, they are all writers. Frankly I don't think it makes
a whole lot of difference which one you get Jo-Anne to be honest with you.



Thank you very much, Bill! I just ordered the SE-S084D model from Newegg.
It's a relief not to have to hunt through the large number of burners
available.


Shoot! All my typing was in vain. You shouldn't be so trigger-happy; about 12
hours from question to purchase. Hopefully the drive will work for your needs.

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Old April 23rd 11, 09:04 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
BillW50
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Default choosing an external DVD burner

On 4/23/2011 2:54 PM, Patok wrote:
I wish to address another point that nobody else seems to address.
Depending on how many DVDs you plan to burn, choosing a full-size
high-speed burner (with an external power supply) might be a better option.
The slim-size one you've been looking at is limited to 8X, for a reason.
The USB can't supply the power for higher speeds, even with two
connectors. But the main point is, that burning many DVDs at such slow
speeds is a PITA. Especially since the advertised 8X is only really 8X
at the very end of the DVD; in the beginning and during most of the time
it is in fact 2X, 4X and 6X. And the read speeds are higher on the big
ones too, in case you want to copy or read large files quickly.
The only limitation on the big drives might be the USB transfer speed.
The 16X speed is 22MB/s, while on my laptop USB2 can't achieve more than
20MB/s. Thus, I can't actually burn at 16X, and do it at 12X. The
difference in burn times is not big between those two, however, as most
of the time is spent burning at slower speeds from 4X up to 12X anyway.
Oh, and apart from reading the customer reviews, avoid SONY drives like
the plague, no matter what the reviews. It helps that they are
overpriced, too.


I don't disagree with anything you said. Although if you wanted to do a
lot of burning, I don't think you would want to use any USB burner. I
would be using an internal burner instead myself. Don't you think so?

--
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Old April 23rd 11, 09:07 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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Thank you, Patok! I think the slim one will work for me because I don't plan
to do much burning. I was concerned about not being able to use an external
power supply, but I gather that for my purposes this should be OK.

Jo-Anne

"Patok" wrote in message
...
I wish to address another point that nobody else seems to address.
Depending on how many DVDs you plan to burn, choosing a full-size
high-speed burner (with an external power supply) might be a better
option.
The slim-size one you've been looking at is limited to 8X, for a reason.
The USB can't supply the power for higher speeds, even with two
connectors. But the main point is, that burning many DVDs at such slow
speeds is a PITA. Especially since the advertised 8X is only really 8X at
the very end of the DVD; in the beginning and during most of the time it
is in fact 2X, 4X and 6X. And the read speeds are higher on the big ones
too, in case you want to copy or read large files quickly.
The only limitation on the big drives might be the USB transfer speed.
The 16X speed is 22MB/s, while on my laptop USB2 can't achieve more than
20MB/s. Thus, I can't actually burn at 16X, and do it at 12X. The
difference in burn times is not big between those two, however, as most of
the time is spent burning at slower speeds from 4X up to 12X anyway.
Oh, and apart from reading the customer reviews, avoid SONY drives like
the plague, no matter what the reviews. It helps that they are overpriced,
too.


Jo-Anne wrote:
Although I planned to buy an external DVD burner when I purchased my
WinXP netbook in 2009, I didn't do it. Now I have more of a need for one
(installing some software, copying files, playing CDs and DVDs) and have
found an enormous number to choose from.

The advice I received here in 2009 was to check reviews and not to go by
price--that more expensive wasn't necessarily better. But what else
should I consider? For example, will all burners work with WinXP? Is tray
loading better than slot loading? Should any brands be avoided? I'd be
grateful for advice.


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Old April 23rd 11, 09:09 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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Default choosing an external DVD burner

"Patok" wrote in message
...
Jo-Anne wrote:
"BillW50" wrote in message
On 4/23/2011 12:54 PM, BillW50 wrote:
Hi Jo-Anne! Yes I noticed this too. Although I did notice something
looking at it again. As the D version will also write to DVDs. While
the
F version seems to only read and not write.
Well if you use that link I posted, it looked that way. But when you
look at them individually, they are all writers. Frankly I don't think
it makes a whole lot of difference which one you get Jo-Anne to be
honest with you.



Thank you very much, Bill! I just ordered the SE-S084D model from Newegg.
It's a relief not to have to hunt through the large number of burners
available.


Shoot! All my typing was in vain. You shouldn't be so trigger-happy;
about 12 hours from question to purchase. Hopefully the drive will
work for your needs.

--
You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
*
Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.



Thank you again, Patok! I only SEEM trigger-happy. Actually, I've been
contemplating this purchase for almost a year and a half--and finally
decided I should just do it. Bill's response was what I needed to get myself
moving.

Jo-Anne


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Old April 23rd 11, 09:10 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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BillW50 wrote:

I don't disagree with anything you said. Although if you wanted to do a
lot of burning, I don't think you would want to use any USB burner. I
would be using an internal burner instead myself. Don't you think so?


You must joking right? Jo-anne is not going to do a lot of burning.
She is still trying to get hang of various CD/DVD burners and all she
has at present is a basic Netbook. How are you going to install an
internal burner for her?
  #23  
Old April 23rd 11, 09:22 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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On 4/23/2011 3:10 PM, Tester wrote:
BillW50 wrote:

I don't disagree with anything you said. Although if you wanted to do a
lot of burning, I don't think you would want to use any USB burner. I
would be using an internal burner instead myself. Don't you think so?


You must joking right? Jo-anne is not going to do a lot of burning.
She is still trying to get hang of various CD/DVD burners and all she
has at present is a basic Netbook. How are you going to install an
internal burner for her?


I think you meant this for Patok, as I totally agree with you. Although
external DVD drives are even useful for non-netbooks too. Even though I
have three netbooks too. And no, I rarely burn from a netbook. Usually
just interested in installing things from CD/DVD actually. ;-)

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Old April 23rd 11, 09:29 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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Default choosing an external DVD burner

BillW50 wrote:
On 4/23/2011 2:54 PM, Patok wrote:
I wish to address another point that nobody else seems to address.
Depending on how many DVDs you plan to burn, choosing a full-size
high-speed burner (with an external power supply) might be a better
option.
The slim-size one you've been looking at is limited to 8X, for a reason.
The USB can't supply the power for higher speeds, even with two
connectors. But the main point is, that burning many DVDs at such slow
speeds is a PITA. Especially since the advertised 8X is only really 8X
at the very end of the DVD; in the beginning and during most of the time
it is in fact 2X, 4X and 6X. And the read speeds are higher on the big
ones too, in case you want to copy or read large files quickly.
The only limitation on the big drives might be the USB transfer speed.
The 16X speed is 22MB/s, while on my laptop USB2 can't achieve more than
20MB/s. Thus, I can't actually burn at 16X, and do it at 12X. The
difference in burn times is not big between those two, however, as most
of the time is spent burning at slower speeds from 4X up to 12X anyway.
Oh, and apart from reading the customer reviews, avoid SONY drives like
the plague, no matter what the reviews. It helps that they are
overpriced, too.


I don't disagree with anything you said. Although if you wanted to do a
lot of burning, I don't think you would want to use any USB burner. I
would be using an internal burner instead myself. Don't you think so?


Certainly. But I was writing in the context of a laptop/netbook that have no
space for a big internal drive. If you use a desktop/tower, then the internal
burner is the way to go.
I use several laptops, but no desktop; that's why I have the external powered
burner. Other than that, one of my laptops already has its internal drive with
exactly the same parameters as the one Jo-Anne is buying - reads/writes
everything at up to 8X. Not only is it slow (and one has to factor in the
verification time after burning - hopefully nobody here burns without verifying
the written data), but it overheats, so I can't really burn more than one
regular DVD at one sitting. Without a cool-off period, the next ones become
coasters.

--
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Old April 23rd 11, 10:33 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
BillW50
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On 4/23/2011 3:29 PM, Patok wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
On 4/23/2011 2:54 PM, Patok wrote:
I wish to address another point that nobody else seems to address.
Depending on how many DVDs you plan to burn, choosing a full-size
high-speed burner (with an external power supply) might be a better
option.
The slim-size one you've been looking at is limited to 8X, for a reason.
The USB can't supply the power for higher speeds, even with two
connectors. But the main point is, that burning many DVDs at such slow
speeds is a PITA. Especially since the advertised 8X is only really 8X
at the very end of the DVD; in the beginning and during most of the time
it is in fact 2X, 4X and 6X. And the read speeds are higher on the big
ones too, in case you want to copy or read large files quickly.
The only limitation on the big drives might be the USB transfer speed.
The 16X speed is 22MB/s, while on my laptop USB2 can't achieve more than
20MB/s. Thus, I can't actually burn at 16X, and do it at 12X. The
difference in burn times is not big between those two, however, as most
of the time is spent burning at slower speeds from 4X up to 12X anyway.
Oh, and apart from reading the customer reviews, avoid SONY drives like
the plague, no matter what the reviews. It helps that they are
overpriced, too.


I don't disagree with anything you said. Although if you wanted to do
a lot of burning, I don't think you would want to use any USB burner.
I would be using an internal burner instead myself. Don't you think so?


Certainly. But I was writing in the context of a laptop/netbook that
have no space for a big internal drive. If you use a desktop/tower, then
the internal burner is the way to go.


I know of no netbooks with internal DVD burners (although they could be
made). But lots of laptops do and can have DVD burners.

I use several laptops, but no desktop; that's why I have the external
powered burner. Other than that, one of my laptops already has its
internal drive with exactly the same parameters as the one Jo-Anne is
buying - reads/writes everything at up to 8X. Not only is it slow (and
one has to factor in the verification time after burning - hopefully
nobody here burns without verifying the written data), but it overheats,
so I can't really burn more than one regular DVD at one sitting. Without
a cool-off period, the next ones become coasters.


Most people who have a netbook either also has a laptop or a desktop. So
most netbook users probably isn't too interested in burning DVDs.

I don't know what kind of laptop you have? But I have over a dozen. And
most of them have internal burners. And six of them have removable drive
bays. So I can insert an internal burner into any of them very easy.

It sounds like yours doesn't have an internal burner. Well you can
replace it with one or get an external burner. It sounds like you did
the latter. And in this case, the slimline design probably would not be
a good choice if you burn a lot.

I haven't ran into any overheating problems. Although if I did, I would
add a fan. If it had one, I would add a bigger one. As I never had a
problem yet when I had to wait and let it cool down (ok back in the CD
only days I did, but not for DVD burners). As that would be totally
unacceptable to me.

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Old April 24th 11, 02:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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BillW50 wrote:
On 4/23/2011 3:29 PM, Patok wrote:

I use several laptops, but no desktop; that's why I have the external
powered burner. Other than that, one of my laptops already has its
internal drive with exactly the same parameters as the one Jo-Anne is
buying - reads/writes everything at up to 8X. Not only is it slow (and
one has to factor in the verification time after burning - hopefully
nobody here burns without verifying the written data), but it overheats,
so I can't really burn more than one regular DVD at one sitting. Without
a cool-off period, the next ones become coasters.


I don't know what kind of laptop you have? But I have over a dozen. And
most of them have internal burners. And six of them have removable drive
bays. So I can insert an internal burner into any of them very easy.

It sounds like yours doesn't have an internal burner. Well you can
replace it with one or get an external burner. It sounds like you did
the latter. And in this case, the slimline design probably would not be
a good choice if you burn a lot.


The above passage and the one that follows show that there's some
miscommunication. The laptop I was talking about *has* an internal burner - the
one that overheats with heavy use. That fact, and because it is slow at 8X, made
me buy the external powered burner. There would be no point in replacing it with
another just as slow, even if it didn't overheat.


I haven't ran into any overheating problems. Although if I did, I would
add a fan. If it had one, I would add a bigger one. As I never had a
problem yet when I had to wait and let it cool down (ok back in the CD
only days I did, but not for DVD burners). As that would be totally
unacceptable to me.


True, but how do you add a fan to an internal slim-line laptop drive?

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Old April 24th 11, 10:55 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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In ,
Patok wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
On 4/23/2011 3:29 PM, Patok wrote:

I use several laptops, but no desktop; that's why I have the
external powered burner. Other than that, one of my laptops already
has its internal drive with exactly the same parameters as the one
Jo-Anne is buying - reads/writes everything at up to 8X. Not only
is it slow (and one has to factor in the verification time after
burning - hopefully nobody here burns without verifying the written
data), but it overheats, so I can't really burn more than one
regular DVD at one sitting. Without a cool-off period, the next
ones become coasters.


I don't know what kind of laptop you have? But I have over a dozen.
And most of them have internal burners. And six of them have
removable drive bays. So I can insert an internal burner into any of
them very easy. It sounds like yours doesn't have an internal burner.
Well you can
replace it with one or get an external burner. It sounds like you did
the latter. And in this case, the slimline design probably would not
be a good choice if you burn a lot.


The above passage and the one that follows show that there's some
miscommunication. The laptop I was talking about *has* an internal
burner - the one that overheats with heavy use. That fact, and
because it is slow at 8X, made me buy the external powered burner.
There would be no point in replacing it with another just as slow,
even if it didn't overheat.


The vast majority of internal laptop optical drives are just plain
slimline drives with extra brackets and sometimes adapters. So you can
put in virtually any type you want too.

I haven't ran into any overheating problems. Although if I did, I
would add a fan. If it had one, I would add a bigger one. As I never
had a problem yet when I had to wait and let it cool down (ok back
in the CD only days I did, but not for DVD burners). As that would
be totally unacceptable to me.


True, but how do you add a fan to an internal slim-line laptop
drive?


Oh, I thought you were talking about an external 5¼ type. So what kind
of laptop do you have that gets so hot? All of mine run relatively cool,
except for my gaming laptop. But I wouldn't use that one to burn DVDs
anyway.

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Old April 24th 11, 06:27 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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BillW50 wrote:
Patok wrote:

The vast majority of internal laptop optical drives are just plain
slimline drives with extra brackets and sometimes adapters. So you can
put in virtually any type you want too.


Any slimline, you mean. Back when I was looking for a replacement drive, all
slimlines were no more than 8X, that is, the same as what I already had. As
there was no way to put in a full-sized one, I bought an external one.


True, but how do you add a fan to an internal slim-line laptop
drive?


Oh, I thought you were talking about an external 5¼ type. So what kind
of laptop do you have that gets so hot? All of mine run relatively cool,
except for my gaming laptop. But I wouldn't use that one to burn DVDs
anyway.


It is not the laptop that gets hot, it is the drive itself. It "helps" that
the radiator and fan assembly are diagonally on the other corner of the laptop,
and while the chips sit comfortably around 45°C, the drive itself heats up. With
use, that is. Burning one DVD is enough to feel it by touch, on the panel above
the drive.

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Old April 26th 11, 03:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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In ,
Patok wrote:
BillW50 wrote:
Patok wrote:

The vast majority of internal laptop optical drives are just plain
slimline drives with extra brackets and sometimes adapters. So you
can put in virtually any type you want too.


Any slimline, you mean. Back when I was looking for a replacement
drive, all slimlines were no more than 8X, that is, the same as what
I already had. As there was no way to put in a full-sized one, I
bought an external one.


Only x8 speed? I wonder if they are still limited to this speed? As I
believe all of my slimline drives all are x8 speed.

True, but how do you add a fan to an internal slim-line laptop
drive?


Oh, I thought you were talking about an external 5¼ type. So what
kind of laptop do you have that gets so hot? All of mine run
relatively cool, except for my gaming laptop. But I wouldn't use
that one to burn DVDs anyway.


It is not the laptop that gets hot, it is the drive itself. It
"helps" that the radiator and fan assembly are diagonally on the
other corner of the laptop, and while the chips sit comfortably
around 45°C, the drive itself heats up. With use, that is. Burning
one DVD is enough to feel it by touch, on the panel above the drive.


Well mine do get hot, but I never had one quit writing reliably. While I
do have lots of computers around here, six of them have swappable drive
bays. So it is easy to pull one out and feel and test with an IR temp
probe. I dunno, it sounds like your solutions sounds the best for you.
And can you actually burn x8 or faster with USB? As I don't see those
speeds with USB optical drives.

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Old April 26th 11, 09:28 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
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BillW50 wrote:

Only x8 speed? I wonder if they are still limited to this speed? As I
believe all of my slimline drives all are x8 speed.


I haven't checked recently, but I think that's still the case. I wonder if
any of them wrote Blu-ray too, wouldn't that increase the normal DVD speed? I
don't know.


And can you actually burn x8 or faster with USB? As I don't see those
speeds with USB optical drives.


Oh yes. As I mentioned before, not 16X, because in my setup, where the laptop
is connected to an external powered USB2 hub, and the DVD writer is connected to
that, the max speed to the writer is about 20MB/s, a little less than the 22MB/s
of 16X. I burn reliably with 12X on normal DVDs, and 8X on DVD+R DL. Actually I
*can* set the burn speed to 16X, and it works, but at the end of the disk the
USB can't keep up with the burner, and it has to pause. This leads to
oscillations in the effective writing speed, and to oscillations in the read
speed of the written disk (as seen with Nero DVD speed). So I *could* burn in
16X, I just prefer not to risk it.
The stupid drive boasts that it can write DVD+R at 22X. Yeah right. I'm sure
it can, when taken out of its enclosure and connected directly to a SATA cable
inside a desktop; connected via USB, no way. And it can write DVD-RAM at 12x;
that would be wonderful, if only I could find an actual DVD-RAM disk rated for
more than 5X.

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