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Greetings --
Do you have short term memory problems, or are you deliberately lying? Let me refresh your memory, just in case it's the former: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++ From: "Unknown" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers References: Subject: anti virus software Lines: 51 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_030C_01C451FD.6656B230" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: om NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.129.105 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: newssvr28.news.prodigy.com 1087228054 ST000 67.37.129.105 (Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:47:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:47:34 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PGWWCEYJTIBQH]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHXIJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KG FNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYK VIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:47:34 GMT Path: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com! nntp.giganews.com!ne ws-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net !prodigy.com!news mst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.new s.prodigy.com!newssv r28.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers:119465 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_030C_01C451FD.6656B230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Best is to use none at all. ...... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++ And: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++ From: "Unknown" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers References: om Subject: anti virus software Lines: 38 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: om NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.129.211 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: newssvr28.news.prodigy.com 1087310267 ST000 67.37.129.211 (Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:37:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:37:47 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OP]QBXCDXRUSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]_MIJQR@EPIB_VUKAH_[MTX\IS[K[NGYJJ FNOFZR_G[BUNTAOQLFE^TEHRPI]PZZRP_BMDSFQFL_]CBHXRWCMDCUZAZN@D_AKMNLEI]M WHCSXL^]NNC__CZFGSGHYYXWPFG@SCAVA]\FT\@B\RDGENSUQS^M Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:37:47 GMT Path: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com! nntp.giganews.com!ne ws-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net !prodigy.com!news mst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.new s.prodigy.com!newssv r28.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers:119547 You.ve got to be STUPID to use an AV program. They only causes problems. ..... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++ And then there was this out-right falsehood: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++ From: "Unknown" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers References: Subject: anti virus software Lines: 48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: om NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.129.211 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: newssvr28.news.prodigy.com 1087309953 ST000 67.37.129.211 (Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:32:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:32:33 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[OUS^WD\JUOBFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRZQ]KEYUNDQUCCNSUAACY@L[ZX__HGFD]JB JNSFXTOOGA_VWY^_HG@FW_HUTHOH]TBPGCO\P^PLP^@[GLHUK@WLECKFVL^TYG[@RMWQXI WM[SDDYWNLG_G[_BWUCHFY_Y@AS@Q[B\APPF@DCZM_PG_VSCPQZM Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:32:33 GMT Path: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com! nntp.giganews.com!ne ws-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net !prodigy.com!news mst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.new s.prodigy.com!newssv r28.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers:119546 They cause far more problems than they prevent. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++ If that's not telling people not to use antivirus software, then I'd have to conclude that your knowledge of the English language is even more limited than your demonstrated lack of computing knowledge. Bruce Chambers -- Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH "Unknown" wrote in message . .. Your message is absolute garbage. I do not 'tell' people to NOT use an AV program. How the heck you equate not using an AV program with jumping out of the way of a train is so idiotic it borders on insanity. |
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Your responses were garbage. And not using AV is like dodging a
train....with luck, you'll be okay....but there is always the chance that the train will win. The point was not equating train dodging to not using AV, but that telling others who do not know better that dodging trains is "okay" is socially irresponsible. You obviously have delusions of grandeur and your holier-than-thou attitude grows tiresome. Time for you to shut the f**K up. Bobby "Unknown" wrote in message . .. Your message is absolute garbage. I do not 'tell' people to NOT use an AV program. How the heck you equate not using an AV program with jumping out of the way of a train is so idiotic it borders on insanity. "NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message ... You are missing the point entirely. I wear a seatbelt every time I drive, yet I have not had an accident in over 30 years. You are the one who is "being so ostentatious". You may be happy going your merry way without any AV protection, but that does not give you the right to tell others that it is "okay" to do so themselves. Most of us live in the real world, where we are intelligent enough to use the tools available to us. The point has never been whether you have ever had a virus (and we have only YOUR word on this), but your preaching that AV protection is unnecessary. You can take all the chances you like...it is your right and your prerogative. But to counsel others to take the same dangerous attitude as yours is irresponsible at best. Not everyone is as "smart" as you claim to be. If you were truly intelligent, you would have understood the current of this thread instead of repeatedly posting "I have never had a virus...yada yada yada". I don't care if you have ever had a virus. Personally, I hope you learn, the hard way, the folly of your ways. But that is not important to this thread. You should not tell neophytes that AV is not necessary. They are the ones most vulnerable and most in need of protection. That way, they can learn more about the wonderful device that is sitting on their desktop without the frustration of being infected because of their inexperience. In closing, I respect your right to do as you please, and to say what you believe. But when what you post could cause someone else to adopt unsafe computer practices, then you have overstepped the bounds of your "freedom". There are people in this world who practice a form of thrill seeking called train-dodging. They will stand on a track as a train approaches and will wait until the last possible moment to jump out of the way of the train. While they may enjoy this practice, if they were to try to convince children to do the same, it would be unacceptable. That is what you have done with your "preaching". Bobby "Unknown" wrote in message ... Then tell me why I never get a Virus. Why are you being so ostentatious? "NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message ... You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and dialers that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you *think* you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is. Bobby "Unknown" wrote in message news I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't need AV programs and don't get viruses. "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Greetings -- Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple instructions that come with them, and know a little about computers and software in general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant. Bruce Chambers -- Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH "Unknown" wrote in message gy.com... They cause far more problems than they prevent. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Holier than thou you brought up I didn't. I never even hinted as such. Can't
you talk in a civil manner and not be so ostentatious? You are still a fear monger. You teach fear rather than computer operations. I never mentioned anything about dodging trains, you did. Only you with your fear would state running a computer without AV protection is like dodging a train. How ridiculously immature. "NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message ... Your responses were garbage. And not using AV is like dodging a train....with luck, you'll be okay....but there is always the chance that the train will win. The point was not equating train dodging to not using AV, but that telling others who do not know better that dodging trains is "okay" is socially irresponsible. You obviously have delusions of grandeur and your holier-than-thou attitude grows tiresome. Time for you to shut the f**K up. Bobby "Unknown" wrote in message . .. Your message is absolute garbage. I do not 'tell' people to NOT use an AV program. How the heck you equate not using an AV program with jumping out of the way of a train is so idiotic it borders on insanity. "NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message ... You are missing the point entirely. I wear a seatbelt every time I drive, yet I have not had an accident in over 30 years. You are the one who is "being so ostentatious". You may be happy going your merry way without any AV protection, but that does not give you the right to tell others that it is "okay" to do so themselves. Most of us live in the real world, where we are intelligent enough to use the tools available to us. The point has never been whether you have ever had a virus (and we have only YOUR word on this), but your preaching that AV protection is unnecessary. You can take all the chances you like...it is your right and your prerogative. But to counsel others to take the same dangerous attitude as yours is irresponsible at best. Not everyone is as "smart" as you claim to be. If you were truly intelligent, you would have understood the current of this thread instead of repeatedly posting "I have never had a virus...yada yada yada". I don't care if you have ever had a virus. Personally, I hope you learn, the hard way, the folly of your ways. But that is not important to this thread. You should not tell neophytes that AV is not necessary. They are the ones most vulnerable and most in need of protection. That way, they can learn more about the wonderful device that is sitting on their desktop without the frustration of being infected because of their inexperience. In closing, I respect your right to do as you please, and to say what you believe. But when what you post could cause someone else to adopt unsafe computer practices, then you have overstepped the bounds of your "freedom". There are people in this world who practice a form of thrill seeking called train-dodging. They will stand on a track as a train approaches and will wait until the last possible moment to jump out of the way of the train. While they may enjoy this practice, if they were to try to convince children to do the same, it would be unacceptable. That is what you have done with your "preaching". Bobby "Unknown" wrote in message ... Then tell me why I never get a Virus. Why are you being so ostentatious? "NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message ... You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and dialers that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you *think* you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is. Bobby "Unknown" wrote in message news I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't need AV programs and don't get viruses. "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Greetings -- Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple instructions that come with them, and know a little about computers and software in general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant. Bruce Chambers -- Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH "Unknown" wrote in message gy.com... They cause far more problems than they prevent. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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You apparently interpret any 'suggestion' as an order. I do not, and of course
cannot, 'tell' people what to do. I can however try to teach them, via suggestions, how to run their computers smoothly and without fear of getting a virus. THEY must make the decision whether or not to try it. As for 'they cause more problems than they prevent' don't you read these newsgroups? How many people have problems simply updating due to some software? "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Greetings -- Do you have short term memory problems, or are you deliberately lying? Let me refresh your memory, just in case it's the former: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++ From: "Unknown" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers References: Subject: anti virus software Lines: 51 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_030C_01C451FD.6656B230" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: om NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.129.105 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: newssvr28.news.prodigy.com 1087228054 ST000 67.37.129.105 (Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:47:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 11:47:34 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: [[PGWWCEYJTIBQH]]RKB_UDAZZ\DPCPDLXUNNHXIJYWZUYICD^RAQBKZQTZTX\_I[^G_KG FNON[ZOE_AZNVO^\XGGNTCIRPIJH[@RQKBXLRZ@CD^HKANYVW@RLGEZEJN@\_WZJBNZYYK VIOR]T]MNMG_Z[YVWSCH_Q[GPC_A@CARQVXDSDA^M]@DRVUM@RBM Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 15:47:34 GMT Path: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com! nntp.giganews.com!ne ws-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net !prodigy.com!news mst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.new s.prodigy.com!newssv r28.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers:119465 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_030C_01C451FD.6656B230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Best is to use none at all. ...... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++ And: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++ From: "Unknown" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers References: om Subject: anti virus software Lines: 38 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: om NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.129.211 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: newssvr28.news.prodigy.com 1087310267 ST000 67.37.129.211 (Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:37:47 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:37:47 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: OP]QBXCDXRUSP_@YMZJ\_Q\@TJ_ZTB\MV@BT]_MIJQR@EPIB_VUKAH_[MTX\IS[K[NGYJJ FNOFZR_G[BUNTAOQLFE^TEHRPI]PZZRP_BMDSFQFL_]CBHXRWCMDCUZAZN@D_AKMNLEI]M WHCSXL^]NNC__CZFGSGHYYXWPFG@SCAVA]\FT\@B\RDGENSUQS^M Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:37:47 GMT Path: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com! nntp.giganews.com!ne ws-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net !prodigy.com!news mst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.new s.prodigy.com!newssv r28.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers:119547 You.ve got to be STUPID to use an AV program. They only causes problems. ..... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++ And then there was this out-right falsehood: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++ From: "Unknown" Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers References: Subject: anti virus software Lines: 48 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Message-ID: om NNTP-Posting-Host: 67.37.129.211 X-Complaints-To: X-Trace: newssvr28.news.prodigy.com 1087309953 ST000 67.37.129.211 (Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:32:33 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 10:32:33 EDT Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com X-UserInfo1: Q[OUS^WD\JUOBFD[LZKJOPHAWB\^PBQLGPQRZQ]KEYUNDQUCCNSUAACY@L[ZX__HGFD]JB JNSFXTOOGA_VWY^_HG@FW_HUTHOH]TBPGCO\P^PLP^@[GLHUK@WLECKFVL^TYG[@RMWQXI WM[SDDYWNLG_G[_BWUCHFY_Y@AS@Q[B\APPF@DCZM_PG_VSCPQZM Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2004 14:32:33 GMT Path: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!border2.nn tp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com! nntp.giganews.com!ne ws-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net !prodigy.com!news mst01a.news.prodigy.com!prodigy.com!postmaster.new s.prodigy.com!newssv r28.news.prodigy.com.POSTED!not-for-mail Xref: TK2MSFTNGP08.phx.gbl microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers:119546 They cause far more problems than they prevent. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++ If that's not telling people not to use antivirus software, then I'd have to conclude that your knowledge of the English language is even more limited than your demonstrated lack of computing knowledge. Bruce Chambers -- Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH "Unknown" wrote in message . .. Your message is absolute garbage. I do not 'tell' people to NOT use an AV program. How the heck you equate not using an AV program with jumping out of the way of a train is so idiotic it borders on insanity. |
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"Gordon" wrote: "Unknown" wrote in message gy.com... You say it happens all the time. Where do you get your statistics? In at least 22 years I have NEVER gotten one. That's MY statistic. Well you are probably in a minority tending to one then. I can't find any actual statistics, but if you go a google on this subject, there are HUNDREDS of articles talking about viruses being received in attachments from known sources. What about Mellissa? That sent out viral attachments from the infectee's addressbook - ie a KNOWN source to the recipients. That's how it spread so widely in the first place - because people opened an infected attachment from a KNOWN source without thinking! |
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I do Don, from my friends and relatives. But, they all use the firewall and
keep their systems updated. None of us have ever gotten a virus. "Don" dbitzerATcomcastDOTnet wrote in message ... I never open any attachments from any source, known or otherwise. -- Don "Re : Microsoft Tech" Re : Microsoft wrote in message ... "Gordon" wrote: "Unknown" wrote in message gy.com... You say it happens all the time. Where do you get your statistics? In at least 22 years I have NEVER gotten one. That's MY statistic. Well you are probably in a minority tending to one then. I can't find any actual statistics, but if you go a google on this subject, there are HUNDREDS of articles talking about viruses being received in attachments from known sources. What about Mellissa? That sent out viral attachments from the infectee's addressbook - ie a KNOWN source to the recipients. That's how it spread so widely in the first place - because people opened an infected attachment from a KNOWN source without thinking! |
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Hundreds of articles? There are about 70,000,000 computers being used just in
the US. "Re : Microsoft Tech" Re : Microsoft wrote in message ... "Gordon" wrote: "Unknown" wrote in message gy.com... You say it happens all the time. Where do you get your statistics? In at least 22 years I have NEVER gotten one. That's MY statistic. Well you are probably in a minority tending to one then. I can't find any actual statistics, but if you go a google on this subject, there are HUNDREDS of articles talking about viruses being received in attachments from known sources. What about Mellissa? That sent out viral attachments from the infectee's addressbook - ie a KNOWN source to the recipients. That's how it spread so widely in the first place - because people opened an infected attachment from a KNOWN source without thinking! |
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I'm not reading this entire thread..only to say you may not have installed
an anti-virus program but your ISP provider (if they are reputable) more than likely had it included with their program. Go to the stupid.arguments.newsgroup for further follow-up guys! "NoNoBadDog!" mysocks_bjsledge_AT_pixi.com wrote in message ... You are actually showing your own arrogance and ignorance. With the predominance of viruses, worms, trojans, keyloggers, malwares, and dialers that are running wild, you would be a fool not to afford yourself the protection of a reputable AV program. No one cares how smart you *think* you are. Your very words show just how limited your knowledge is. Bobby "Unknown" wrote in message news I know about computers and software, that's precisely why I don't need AV programs and don't get viruses. "Bruce Chambers" wrote in message ... Greetings -- Not if one knows how to follow the relatively simple instructions that come with them, and know a little about computers and software in general. Most applications, whether anti-viral or otherwise, cause problems _only_ if used(misused) by the willfully ignorant. Bruce Chambers -- Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. - RAH "Unknown" wrote in message gy.com... They cause far more problems than they prevent. -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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I don't totally disagree with what "Unknown" is saying.
I don't believe that "Unknown" is suggesting that everyone should run without virus software, but stating the fact that "Unknown" has not yet gotten a virus and neither has most of their friends/relatives that they communicate with often gotten them because either they too are computer literate (more so than most of the populace) or at least follow the advice that "Unknown" or other "in the know" people have given them. I know that almost all AV software do use a decent amount of resident memory when they are running. I know that there are reports of people having trouble doing one thing or another because of AV software being incompatible in some way with something else. I know that most of the viruses I have seen people catch have been from opening email attachments, not following common sense rules like using a firewall or running un-researched software on their machines. But - on the counter-point - although education is the best way to stop having to rely on things like AntiVirus software - most people don't use common sense when they use their computers. It's a tool to do their taxes easier, write up their grocery list, download free "neat" things, find old friends on the web, see pictures of their grandkids on, research their favorite topics.. And the problem is they don't CARE how the computer runs until they notice it is running badly (like it crashes or shuts down every 30 minutes..) and some of them, even then, would prefer NOT to know what is wrong and give it to someone else to repair. "Unknown" is correct in that if you only accept/open attachments from people you know and trust to be doing the same common sense things you are (firewall, not opening junk attachments, not forwarding crap emails - like scams and chain letters, not signing up for random free things on the web, not installing whatever you think sounds cool, etc), the chances of you getting a virus in that way is like winning a lotto.. (or any game of chance) - slim to none. The chance is never eliminated, however - since you don't control all the factors - but it is so slim that you don't have to worry about it. However - even never have gotten a virus - I see people get them all the time - people like I described earlier. They go to work and expect that their network admin would never let Aunt Fran or Uncle Bobby send them a virus via attachment (even though they are getting it via their hotmail account where their admin has no control, or yahoo, or petscentral, or hushmail or the hordes of others that may or may not be known about so thereby not blocked at work.) and so they download it. They don't care about security, they don't know what a computer virus is beyond, "Bad and the computer guy sometimes has to take my computer and they look ****ed when they do", and they have this false sense of security - so they download it and BAM - the antivirus software pops up telling them something they don't understand so they get all worried and call their computer tech asking what "quarantined" means, and how can they get the file their Uncle/Aunt sent them? Those same people then go home, come back the next day and track down their computer admin, wondering if they could help them because their home PC sure is acting funny since they downloaded the other file from their Aunt last night.. You can TRY to educate them, but all they want is a quick fix and get on with their lives.. Not to mention that it better automatically "improve itself" so they never have to worry about this issue again. So, I still and will continue recommending Firewall, Updates/Patches, AntiVirus, AntiSpyware and AntiSpam software I have tested in various environments, researched and found to be somewhat reliable to the people who come around wondering/whining about "Why their computer got slow? or "Why does it shut down with something about 'NTAuthority'?" or "Who are these Nigerians and is their money real?" or "Why do all these porn advertisements come up when I surf the web?" Why? Well, I try to throw a little education in my advice. I figure they came for advice, they must know they did something wrong, so I might as well use their vulnerable state as a learning tool, but I also think their want to learn is usually limited - they want enough to fix it and move on - but if you can tell them they need this all, the chances of them coming back in a week is slimmer. Not only that - but if they read what I give them, listen to what I tell them, they might actually, in following the advice, learn something and come to the same point "Unknown" has gotten to - you never know... -- - Shenan - -- The information is provided "as is", with no guarantees of completeness, accuracy or timeliness, and without warranties of any kind, express or implied. In other words, read up before you take any advice - you are the one ultimately responsible for your actions. |
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"Pop" wrote in message
I'm afraid you can't educate ANY of the users, other than the types who would follow a prejudiced moron like you. You will be exposed anywhere you spread your hate and prejudiced teenie minded sloth in public. Go back and look for that used sock - you need it. Oh, and if you think you're ****ing anyone off, you arean't: Children like you aren't taken very seriously. I am glad however that you are not my neighbor. Pop Since he is basically correct, ad hominem arguments such as yours reveal your unwillingness to think and address the real issue. -- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE Please respond in Newsgroup. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ |
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"Pop" wrote in message
Let's add narcissistic idiot to the list of mornonic statements. If it's double jointed it won't need a woman, but at least it won't reproduce that way. Broadcasting ignorance is the act of the ignorant and the coward, as shown by the nick. Gee, how helpful. -- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE Please respond in Newsgroup. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ |
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"Gordon" wrote in message
"Unknown" wrote in message ... The point is very simple. If you keep your system updated, the firewall on and DO Not open unknown attachments you do NOT have to mess up your computer installing AV programs. You are missing the point entirely. How do you KNOW 100% that an attachment you get from a KNOWN source is virus free without scanning it yourself? Your KNOWN source may be infected without them knowing it - it happens all the time! That is so simple: If I don't know 100% that it's safe I make sure the sender sent it on purpose after verifying it before he(she) verified it. While I run an AV, I don't trust it anymore that I trust my own methods. I just use the AV program to make sure I remember to think. -- Frank Saunders, MS-MVP, IE/OE Please respond in Newsgroup. Do not send email http://www.fjsmjs.com Protect your PC http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/ |
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"Unknown" wrote in message
. .. I do Don, from my friends and relatives. But, they all use the firewall and keep their systems updated. Umm - a "firewall" does NOT stop OR detect viruses. |
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"Shenan Stanley" wrote in message
... I don't totally disagree with what "Unknown" is saying. "Unknown" is correct in that if you only accept/open attachments from people you know and trust to be doing the same common sense things you are (firewall, not opening junk attachments, not forwarding crap emails - like scams and chain letters, not signing up for random free things on the web, not installing whatever you think sounds cool, etc), the chances of you getting a virus in that way is like winning a lotto.. Umm - that's how Mellissa spread so quickly - people opening infected attachments that came FROM PEOPLE THEY KNEW. |
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