Apple (Who really never invented anything they could steal) losespatent retrial, owes $302.4 million to VirnetX.

Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent
holding and security software company VirnetX for infringing
patents covering secure computer and mobile communications.

A jury in Tyler, Texas, found Friday that Apple infringed on two
patents related to its FaceTime videoconferencing application.
The award also includes damages for infringement of VirnetX
technology in Virtual Private Network on Demand.

The verdict was the result of the third trial filed since 2010
against Apple by VirnetX, a company that makes most of its money
from licensing patented technology that creates virtual private
networks over the internet.

A verdict in February ordered Apple to pay VirnetX $625.6
million in damages after two lawsuits were combined. But in
August, a federal judge voided the verdict, saying that
combining two lawsuits into a single trial confused the jurors
and was unfair to Apple. He ruled that both cases needed to be
tried separately.

Apple said it plans to appeal the verdict but declined to
comment further.

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-pate...al-owes-302-4-
million-to-virnetx-facetime-video-calling-tyler-vpn/

Fritz Wuehler wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent
holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for siding with patent
trolls gives Apple a slap on the wrist for doing nothing wrong. $300
million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes in over $18
billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in profit to pay this fine in a
couple days. Big deal.

Laughably lame troll brought to you by Fritz Wuehler. Try c.s.m.a. next
time, dummy.

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"Jolly Roger" wrote in message ...

Fritz Wuehler wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent
holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for siding with patent
trolls gives Apple a slap on the wrist for doing nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you without vaseline, and you
bend over for more.

$300
million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes in over $18
billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in profit to pay this fine in a
couple days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Laughably lame troll brought to you by Fritz Wuehler. Try c.s.m.a. next
time, dummy.

Confused, fangurl This is CSMA. Try not to worry so much. We know the
courts decision was a blow to you.

In article , Mongoose
wrote:

$300
million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes in over $18
billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in profit to pay this fine in a
couple days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

apple pays a ****load of taxes.

Laughably lame troll brought to you by Fritz Wuehler. Try c.s.m.a. next
time, dummy.

Confused, fangurl This is CSMA. Try not to worry so much. We know the
courts decision was a blow to you.

it isn't.

On 2016-10-03, Mongoose wrote:
"Jolly Roger" wrote in message ...

$300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes in over
$18 billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in profit to pay this
fine in a couple days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Cry harder. : )

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In article , Wolf K
wrote:

$300
million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes in over $18
billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in profit to pay this fine
in a
couple days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.
apple pays a ****load of taxes.

Look up the EU's ruling that the sweetheart deal with Ireland must be
voided because it amounted to an illegal government subsidy for Apple.

now look up that it's not a sweetheart deal nor is it specific to
apple, but rather it's part of the tax code itself and completely
legal.

also look up that apple isn't the only company to legally use the tax
code in that manner. google, microsoft, facebook, intel and others do
the same thing.

after that, look up that ireland is siding with apple, *not* the eu.

in other words, ireland doesn't want apple to pay and it's questionable
whether the eu has any say in the matter in the first place.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...reland-idUSKCN
1180WR

On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote:


"Jolly Roger" wrote in message ...

Fritz Wuehler wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent
holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for siding with patent
trolls gives Apple a slap on the wrist for doing nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you without vaseline, and
you bend over for more.

How do they do that: by making products that people want and selling
them at prices those people are willing to pay?


$300
million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes in over $18
billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in profit to pay this fine
in a
couple days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Bull****.


Laughably lame troll brought to you by Fritz Wuehler. Try c.s.m.a. next
time, dummy.

Confused, fangurl This is CSMA. Try not to worry so much. We know the
courts decision was a blow to you.

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On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote:


"Jolly Roger" wrote in message
...

Fritz Wuehler
wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent
holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for siding
with patent trolls gives Apple a slap on the wrist for doing
nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you without
vaseline, and you bend over for more.

How do they do that: by making products that people want and
selling them at prices those people are willing to pay?

Except they don't do that. They make LIMITED hardware at exorbitant
prices knowing that there are enough dumb people out there willing to
buy it as a fashion statement.

$300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes
in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in
profit to pay this fine in a couple days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Bull****.

It's accurate. Apple's taxes are mostly paid elsewhere and they've
been avoiding giving the United States even a dime. They went to court
over it near and after Jobs' death and Tim Cook was asked point-blank
why Apple avoids paying taxes in the United States. Try to pause your
fanboyism for a day to look it up.


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On 2016-10-03 1:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote:


"Jolly Roger" wrote in message
...

Fritz Wuehler
wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent
holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for siding
with patent trolls gives Apple a slap on the wrist for doing
nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you without
vaseline, and you bend over for more.

How do they do that: by making products that people want and
selling them at prices those people are willing to pay?

Except they don't do that. They make LIMITED hardware at exorbitant
prices knowing that there are enough dumb people out there willing to
buy it as a fashion statement.

In your limited opinion...


$300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company that takes
in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes enough money in
profit to pay this fine in a couple days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Bull****.

It's accurate. Apple's taxes are mostly paid elsewhere and they've
been avoiding giving the United States even a dime. They went to court
over it near and after Jobs' death and Tim Cook was asked point-blank
why Apple avoids paying taxes in the United States. Try to pause your
fanboyism for a day to look it up.


Apple pays a HUGE amount in taxes, and they use legal means to avoid
paying more than they have to.

'It’s the third thing that’s so interesting though. About this shifting
of cash flows and tax debts through time. Last year Apple made
provisions for tax of $8.283 billion (Provision for income taxes 8,283).
Which was indeed 24.2% of their profits declared in that year. Now, in
this trading year they’ve actually paid over $7.682 billion.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/11/01/so-how-much-tax-did-apple-pay/#36b183145fa9

Now let's see a cite for your claim.

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On 2016-10-03 11:09 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-03 1:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote:


"Jolly Roger" wrote in message
...

Fritz Wuehler

wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent
holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for
siding with patent trolls gives Apple a slap on the wrist
for doing nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you without
vaseline, and you bend over for more.

How do they do that: by making products that people want and
selling them at prices those people are willing to pay?

Except they don't do that. They make LIMITED hardware at
exorbitant prices knowing that there are enough dumb people out
there willing to buy it as a fashion statement.

In your limited opinion...


$300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company that
takes in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes enough
money in profit to pay this fine in a couple days. Big
deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Bull****.

It's accurate. Apple's taxes are mostly paid elsewhere and
they've been avoiding giving the United States even a dime. They
went to court over it near and after Jobs' death and Tim Cook was
asked point-blank why Apple avoids paying taxes in the United
States. Try to pause your fanboyism for a day to look it up.


Apple pays a HUGE amount in taxes, and they use legal means to
avoid paying more than they have to.

'It’s the third thing that’s so interesting though. About this
shifting of cash flows and tax debts through time. Last year Apple
made provisions for tax of $8.283 billion (Provision for income
taxes 8,283). Which was indeed 24.2% of their profits declared in
that year. Now, in this trading year they’ve actually paid over
$7.682 billion.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...ow-much-tax-di
d-apple-pay/#36b183145fa9

Apple

pays a lot but also avoids paying a lot. To be fair, I would
probably do the same in their position since the United States have
taken it upon themselves to tax the crap out of corporations to the
extent that none of them want to do business in your country anymore
but it's still unethical for an American company to do so.

Now let's see a cite for your claim.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/apple...es/story?id=19
219178

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On 2016-10-03 2:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 11:09 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-03 1:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote:


"Jolly Roger" wrote in message
...

Fritz Wuehler

wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent
holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for
siding with patent trolls gives Apple a slap on the wrist
for doing nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you without
vaseline, and you bend over for more.

How do they do that: by making products that people want and
selling them at prices those people are willing to pay?

Except they don't do that. They make LIMITED hardware at
exorbitant prices knowing that there are enough dumb people out
there willing to buy it as a fashion statement.

In your limited opinion...


$300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company that
takes in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes enough
money in profit to pay this fine in a couple days. Big
deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Bull****.

It's accurate. Apple's taxes are mostly paid elsewhere and
they've been avoiding giving the United States even a dime. They
went to court over it near and after Jobs' death and Tim Cook was
asked point-blank why Apple avoids paying taxes in the United
States. Try to pause your fanboyism for a day to look it up.


Apple pays a HUGE amount in taxes, and they use legal means to
avoid paying more than they have to.

'It’s the third thing that’s so interesting though. About this
shifting of cash flows and tax debts through time. Last year Apple
made provisions for tax of $8.283 billion (Provision for income
taxes 8,283). Which was indeed 24.2% of their profits declared in
that year. Now, in this trading year they’ve actually paid over
$7.682 billion.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...ow-much-tax-di
d-apple-pay/#36b183145fa9

Apple

pays a lot but also avoids paying a lot. To be fair, I would
probably do the same in their position since the United States have
taken it upon themselves to tax the crap out of corporations to the
extent that none of them want to do business in your country anymore
but it's still unethical for an American company to do so.

Now let's see a cite for your claim.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/apple...es/story?id=19
219178

Your claim was:

'They went to court over it near and after Jobs' death'

A congressional subcommittee hearing is not a court.

In article
Silver Slimer wrote:

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On 2016-10-03 2:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 11:09 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-03 1:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote:


"Jolly Roger" wrote in message
...

Fritz Wuehler

wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the patent
holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for
siding with patent trolls gives Apple a slap on the wrist
for doing nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you without
vaseline, and you bend over for more.

How do they do that: by making products that people want and
selling them at prices those people are willing to pay?

Except they don't do that. They make LIMITED hardware at
exorbitant prices knowing that there are enough dumb people out
there willing to buy it as a fashion statement.

In your limited opinion...


$300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company that
takes in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes enough
money in profit to pay this fine in a couple days. Big
deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Bull****.

It's accurate. Apple's taxes are mostly paid elsewhere and
they've been avoiding giving the United States even a dime. They
went to court over it near and after Jobs' death and Tim Cook was
asked point-blank why Apple avoids paying taxes in the United
States. Try to pause your fanboyism for a day to look it up.


Apple pays a HUGE amount in taxes, and they use legal means to
avoid paying more than they have to.

'It’s the third thing that’s so interesting though. About this
shifting of cash flows and tax debts through time. Last year Apple
made provisions for tax of $8.283 billion (Provision for income
taxes 8,283). Which was indeed 24.2% of their profits declared in
that year. Now, in this trading year they’ve actually paid over
$7.682 billion.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...ow-much-tax-di
d-apple-pay/#36b183145fa9

Apple

pays a lot but also avoids paying a lot. To be fair, I would
probably do the same in their position since the United States have
taken it upon themselves to tax the crap out of corporations to the
extent that none of them want to do business in your country anymore
but it's still unethical for an American company to do so.

Now let's see a cite for your claim.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/apple...es/story?id=19
219178

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On 2016-10-03 11:27 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-03 2:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 11:09 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-03 1:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote:


"Jolly Roger" wrote in message
...

Fritz Wuehler

wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the
patent holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for
siding with patent trolls gives Apple a slap on the
wrist for doing nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you
without vaseline, and you bend over for more.

How do they do that: by making products that people want
and selling them at prices those people are willing to
pay?

Except they don't do that. They make LIMITED hardware at
exorbitant prices knowing that there are enough dumb people
out there willing to buy it as a fashion statement.

In your limited opinion...


$300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company
that takes in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes
enough money in profit to pay this fine in a couple
days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Bull****.

It's accurate. Apple's taxes are mostly paid elsewhere and
they've been avoiding giving the United States even a dime.
They went to court over it near and after Jobs' death and Tim
Cook was asked point-blank why Apple avoids paying taxes in
the United States. Try to pause your fanboyism for a day to
look it up.


Apple pays a HUGE amount in taxes, and they use legal means to
avoid paying more than they have to.

'It’s the third thing that’s so interesting though. About this
shifting of cash flows and tax debts through time. Last year
Apple made provisions for tax of $8.283 billion (Provision for
income taxes 8,283). Which was indeed 24.2% of their profits
declared in that year. Now, in this trading year they’ve
actually paid over $7.682 billion.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...-how-much-tax-
di


d-apple-pay/#36b183145fa9

Apple

pays a lot but also avoids paying a lot. To be fair, I would
probably do the same in their position since the United States
have taken it upon themselves to tax the crap out of corporations
to the extent that none of them want to do business in your
country anymore but it's still unethical for an American company
to do so.

Now let's see a cite for your claim.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/apple...ifies/story?id
=19


219178

Your claim was:

'They went to court over it near and after Jobs' death'

A congressional subcommittee hearing is not a court.

And yet Apple received a _court_ order.

https://secure.marke****ch.com/story...-order-threate
ns-the-security-of-customers-2016-02-17

Geez, stop being a retarded fanboy.

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On 2016-10-03 11:27 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-03 2:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 11:09 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-03 1:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote:


"Jolly Roger" wrote in message
...

Fritz Wuehler

wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the
patent holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known for
siding with patent trolls gives Apple a slap on the
wrist for doing nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you
without vaseline, and you bend over for more.

How do they do that: by making products that people want
and selling them at prices those people are willing to
pay?

Except they don't do that. They make LIMITED hardware at
exorbitant prices knowing that there are enough dumb people
out there willing to buy it as a fashion statement.

In your limited opinion...


$300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company
that takes in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes
enough money in profit to pay this fine in a couple
days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Bull****.

It's accurate. Apple's taxes are mostly paid elsewhere and
they've been avoiding giving the United States even a dime.
They went to court over it near and after Jobs' death and Tim
Cook was asked point-blank why Apple avoids paying taxes in
the United States. Try to pause your fanboyism for a day to
look it up.


Apple pays a HUGE amount in taxes, and they use legal means to
avoid paying more than they have to.

'It’s the third thing that’s so interesting though. About this
shifting of cash flows and tax debts through time. Last year
Apple made provisions for tax of $8.283 billion (Provision for
income taxes 8,283). Which was indeed 24.2% of their profits
declared in that year. Now, in this trading year they’ve
actually paid over $7.682 billion.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...-how-much-tax-
di


d-apple-pay/#36b183145fa9

Apple

pays a lot but also avoids paying a lot. To be fair, I would
probably do the same in their position since the United States
have taken it upon themselves to tax the crap out of corporations
to the extent that none of them want to do business in your
country anymore but it's still unethical for an American company
to do so.

Now let's see a cite for your claim.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/apple...ifies/story?id
=19


219178

Your claim was:

'They went to court over it near and after Jobs' death'

A congressional subcommittee hearing is not a court.

And yet Apple received a _court_ order.

https://secure.marke****ch.com/story...-order-threate
ns-the-security-of-customers-2016-02-17


Which has nothing whatsoever to do with Apple's taxes...

....nor did they even receive it at roughly the same time as your earlier
cite.

Geez, stop being a retarded fanboy.


Irony.

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On 2016-10-03 2:19 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 11:09 AM, Silver Slimer wrote:
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On 2016-10-03 1:26 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
On 2016-10-03 9:26 AM, Mongoose wrote:


"Jolly Roger" wrote in message
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Fritz Wuehler

wrote:
Apple has been ordered to pay $302.4 million to the
patent holding and security software company VirnetX

Oh no, the sky is falling! : D Corrupt court known
for siding with patent trolls gives Apple a slap on
the wrist for doing nothing wrong.

You fangurls are really stupid. Apple screws you
without vaseline, and you bend over for more.

How do they do that: by making products that people want
and selling them at prices those people are willing to
pay?

Except they don't do that. They make LIMITED hardware at
exorbitant prices knowing that there are enough dumb people
out there willing to buy it as a fashion statement.

In your limited opinion...


$300 million is a drop in the bucket for a company
that takes in over $18 billion a quarter. Apple makes
enough money in profit to pay this fine in a couple
days. Big deal.

Especially in the light of they don't pay any taxes.

Bull****.

It's accurate. Apple's taxes are mostly paid elsewhere and
they've been avoiding giving the United States even a dime.
They went to court over it near and after Jobs' death and
Tim Cook was asked point-blank why Apple avoids paying
taxes in the United States. Try to pause your fanboyism
for a day to look it up.


Apple pays a HUGE amount in taxes, and they use legal means
to avoid paying more than they have to.

'It’s the third thing that’s so interesting though. About
this shifting of cash flows and tax debts through time. Last
year Apple made provisions for tax of $8.283 billion
(Provision for income taxes 8,283). Which was indeed 24.2%
of their profits declared in that year. Now, in this trading
year they’ve actually paid over $7.682 billion.'

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...o-how-much-tax
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Apple

pays a lot but also avoids paying a lot. To be fair, I would
probably do the same in their position since the United States
have taken it upon themselves to tax the crap out of
corporations to the extent that none of them want to do
business in your country anymore but it's still unethical for
an American company to do so.

Now let's see a cite for your claim.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/apple...tifies/story?i
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Your claim was:

'They went to court over it near and after Jobs' death'

A congressional subcommittee hearing is not a court.

And yet Apple received a _court_ order.

https://secure.marke****ch.com/story...rt-order-threa
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ns-the-security-of-customers-2016-02-17

Geez, stop being a retarded fanboy.

Whoops, I posted the wrong link there.

One, about what's going on in the United States by Apple:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/14/tim-c...us-taxes-says-
no-repatriation-without-fair-rate.html
.... they want a fair rate but:

http://ca.finance.ret1p.global.media...ook-attacks-eu
- -tax-114817858.html

Turns out they weren't paying their fair share according to the _court_
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