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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 19:44:58 +1200, David Empson
wrote: The Mac version of PowerPoint does not have the ability to embed fonts, nor can it display fonts which were embedded by the Windows version of PowerPoint. Thank you for confirming that font embedding on the Mac won't be possible on /any/ version of Powerpoint that runs on the Mac. The only one to blame for this is Microsoft, who chose not to implement that feature in the Mac version of PowerPoint (it still isn't there in the latest PowerPoint 2016). One has to wonder why Microsoft saw fit to allow font embedding on Windows but not on the Mac? If you want your presentation to be editable by multiple people, and it requires embedded fonts, then there is no way to involve most Mac users in that process because they won't have a version of PowerPoint that supports embedded fonts. This is bad news because the school is mostly Macs from what I've seen in the graphics lab. They "may" have Windows, but the monitors were all Apple monitors (I didn't think to look since I didn't know then what I know now about Mac PowerPoint font embedding issues). For that matter, given a general audience of Mac users you can't even assume they will have PowerPoint at all - only some Mac users have gone to the extra expense of buying Microsoft Office. This is a school lab, where they mostly use illustrator and photoshop and design (according to the teacher), but the residents in this joint community project all have MS Office. It's not easy trying to create a compatible document between schools on the Mac and residents mostly on Windows. If you need cross platform editing of presentations with embedded fonts, a better solution is to ditch PowerPoint and use something else which really is cross platform, e.g. LibreOffice appears to support this. I haven't tried that feature (or used it at all for presentations) but it would be easy enough for you to try it and see if it is good enough. This is a great idea to try LibreOffice since everyone can install it. The original proposal I was asked to flesh out was PowerPoint though. I think though, that we might just have to enforce loading of the font package onto the Macs to solve the problem the /easiest/ way, even though that solution doesn't meet the original specification. Once the project is done, we would then delete the fonts from the Macs. Is there an easy way to DELETE fonts on the Mac after the fact, like there is with Windows FontFrenzy "de-fonting" software? |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 03:45:18 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve
wrote: On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 23:39:07 -0400, nospam wrote: that question is not remaining. you're just too ****ing stupid to figure it out. it's actually comically easy, with at least two methods, but since you've alienated those who know the answers, you're on your own. The sooner you disappear the better it will be for everyone. The sooner you (and others) stop replying to him, the better it will be for everyone. He's a troll, and I (and others) have long had him killfiled here. The best way to deal with a troll is by ignoring him , preferably by killfiling. If you don't, and reply to him, the rest of us who have him killfiled, have to see his messages you quote. If everyone here killfiled him, and he never saw a reply, he would soon get tired of posting here and disappear. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 11:02:29 -0400, Ken Blake wrote
(in ): On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 03:45:18 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve wrote: On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 23:39:07 -0400, wrote: that question is not remaining. you're just too ****ing stupid to figure it out. it's actually comically easy, with at least two methods, but since you've alienated those who know the answers, you're on your own. The sooner you disappear the better it will be for everyone. The sooner you (and others) stop replying to him, the better it will be for everyone. He's a troll, and I (and others) have long had him killfiled here. The best way to deal with a troll is by ignoring him , preferably by killfiling. If you don't, and reply to him, the rest of us who have him killfiled, have to see his messages you quote. If everyone here killfiled him, and he never saw a reply, he would soon get tired of posting here and disappear. +1000 -- Joe W Dee Remember: It is To Laugh AmE; northeast US, Boston/New York |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
In message Chaya Eve wrote:
So how do you maintain a copyright notice intact in PowerPoint 2007? You put an attribution into the powerpoint file that uses the font, just like the license says. -- 'The gods,' he said. 'Imprisoned in a thought. And perhaps they were never more than a dream.' --Sourcery |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
In message nospam wrote:
In article , Chaya Eve wrote: The line of interest on embedding compatibility in that summary is: "Mac versions of PowerPoint can't embed fonts or use fonts that have been embedded by a Windows version of PowerPoint." Are there any Mac knowledgeable people on this newsgroup who can help? there are quite a few who can, and while i can't speak for others, this 'clueless clod' has zero interest in helping you. In article , Chaya Eve wrote: This is not a question for clueless clods such as Goodguy, Lewis, & nospam. Ahh, thanks for that, I'd missed that initially. I'll kill the thread. (amusingly enough, I just had to deal with this exact issue earlier this year, my first time dealing with powerpoint in a decade.) -- K is for KATE who was struck by an axe L is for Leo who swallowed some tacks |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
In message Chaya Eve wrote:
On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 23:41:48 -0000 (UTC), Lewis wrote: Microsoft always finds a way to ****ify their software. This has nothing to do with the Mac, only with Microsoft's incompetence. You two clueless clods have already proven you know nothing about the topic. More than you. As stated prior it's best that you and that nospam clueless clod just leave the conversation sooner rather than later because this isn't about your pet peeves. You do not get to dictate what conversations I choose to participate in. You DO get to be such a **** that I will not answer your questions though. Even the easy ones. The question is about: Yes, we know, trivial questions that anyone with 4 or 5 seconds to spare could figure out. Not you though, of course. We also know who you are. -- Eyes the shady night has shut/Cannot see the record cut And silence sounds no worse than cheers/After earth has stopped the ears. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
On 09/09/2017 20:46, Lewis wrote:
We also know who you are. https://www.mylife.com/graham-morgan...9vd?userMode=0 -- “Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.” (Winston S. Churchill) |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
On 9/8/2017 1:38 PM, Chaya Eve wrote:
Can you help with technical and legal background information on how to use a True-Type copyrighted font correctly with laypeople and printers? Two areas of concern where I ask advice based on your experience: 1. Technical (how do I embed the TT font in PowerPoint 2007?) 2. Legal (what am I supposed to do for copyright stuff?) Specifically on the technical, I just want to embed the font into PPT 2007: A. When I modify a multi-page PowerPoint with custom signs, it looks good. B. But when I send that PowerPoint to neighbors the fonts are all jumbled. C. I have "RoadGeek 2005 Series B" TT fonts, but I can't expect them to load fonts so I just want the font to be embedded inside the the editable Powerpoint file (where everyone has Powerpoint on either a Mac or Windows). http://texaphoto.com/fonts/roadgeek-...eries-3-b.html Specifically on the legal, I just want to be legally correct: a. This page tries to explain the legal requirements. https://www.onlinewebfonts.com/downl...1beacfc13bb8b3 b. It says something about "css" notifications as shown below. Quote:
In summary, I ask for your advice on two questions. Q1: How do I embed a TT font into PowerPoint 2007 for others to edit, and, Q2: What is this "css" legal stuff and I do I comply with it in PPT 2007? Pay a good lawyer, who specializes in copyright issues. While in general you may sometimes get common sense answers, there is more to legality than good faith. -- PeterN |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in customroad signs in PowerPoint
On 9/9/2017 12:07 PM, Joe W Dee wrote:
On Sat, 09 Sep 2017 11:02:29 -0400, Ken Blake wrote (in ): On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 03:45:18 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve wrote: On Fri, 08 Sep 2017 23:39:07 -0400, wrote: that question is not remaining. you're just too ****ing stupid to figure it out. it's actually comically easy, with at least two methods, but since you've alienated those who know the answers, you're on your own. The sooner you disappear the better it will be for everyone. The sooner you (and others) stop replying to him, the better it will be for everyone. He's a troll, and I (and others) have long had him killfiled here. The best way to deal with a troll is by ignoring him , preferably by killfiling. If you don't, and reply to him, the rest of us who have him killfiled, have to see his messages you quote. If everyone here killfiled him, and he never saw a reply, he would soon get tired of posting here and disappear. +1000 I was on a sci newsgroup years ago. Had some real hard core members. Top posting would get you killfiled as would replying to the resident trolls. Some folks just can't leave the trouble maker alone. I've seen a few groups destroyed by this. Things pretty well cleared up after a while. At least I think it did. It's hard to tell when you have killfiled the problem people. Yahoo groups can be very good. People can get together for whatever their interests are. Groups can be private and hidden. Really good for family groups and such. Membership can be by invitation only or they can be open to public walk-ins. The list owner is king along with any co-mods he appoints. It's VERY satisfying to slam the "Ban Forever" button on the jerks and trouble makers. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 18:37:51 -0400, PeterN wrote
in response to PeterN Pay a good lawyer, who specializes in copyright issues. While in general you may sometimes get common sense answers, there is more to legality than good faith. That's the dumbest answer anyone gave here yet. Here's a similar platitude for you. If someone asks how to tie their shoelaces, tell them that it can only be done at the dealer by a professional trained in tying shoelaces. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On 2017-09-10 03:37:31 +0000, ATANARJUAT said:
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 18:37:51 -0400, PeterN wrote in response to PeterN Pay a good lawyer, who specializes in copyright issues. While in general you may sometimes get common sense answers, there is more to legality than good faith. That's the dumbest answer anyone gave here yet. Here's a similar platitude for you. If someone asks how to tie their shoelaces, tell them that it can only be done at the dealer by a professional trained in tying shoelaces. Or by many five year olds. ;-) |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 14:02:17 +0000 (UTC), Chaya Eve
wrote: I think though, that we might just have to enforce loading of the font package onto the Macs to solve the problem the /easiest/ way, even though that solution doesn't meet the original specification. Once the project is done, we would then delete the fonts from the Macs. Is there an easy way to DELETE fonts on the Mac after the fact, like there is with Windows FontFrenzy "de-fonting" software? I'm going to guess that installing, embedding, and then deleting fonts on the Mac is as easy as it is on Windows, which was as easy as copying the font file to the "C:\Windows\Fonts\" directory as the unzipped free font file named: "C:\Windows\Fonts\Roadgeek 2005 Series B Regular.ttf" 44KB The copyright is automatically embedded into the font properties form: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_1.png Deleting the font after embedding was as easy as right clicking on it: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_2.png The various file sizes were perfectly reasonable and tiny in all cases: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_3.png These are the file sizes with and without embedding: Powerpoint without any font embedding = 91 KB Powerpoint with only characters used embedded = 610 KB Powerpoint with all font characters embedded = 1793 KB After removal, the first file reverted to a jumbled mess: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_4.png Even after removal, the second and third files above looked great: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_5.png The only minor hitch, for Windows experts, is to ask why the 32-bit Microsoft embedded font utility shell extension didn't seem to do anything useful on Windows 10: http://www.microsoft.com/typography/...roperty21.mspx |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 18:31:41 +1200, Your Name wrote:
If you're distributing a PowerPoint document to be edited by other people, then you're best to give them the original font files as well (the original .zip archive, including the licence text if there is one) for them to install. The final solution will be different for the Mac than for Windows. For Windows, I'll just provide the file which has the entire font set embedded in it. This is the easiest for everyone to edit the file at will. For the Mac, we have no choice but to provide the font file itself, and then to have every Mac user install the font and then delete the font when they are done with the project. It's a pain and it's ridiculous but there is no other viable option. Depending on the software (and user choices) Embeded fonts may or mauy not include all the characters. Sometimes embedded fonts only include the characters that have actually been used. If, for example, you didn't use a lowercase z, then the emedded font may not include that z character if someone else needs it. On Windows the embedding is ridiculously easy, where you have the option of no embedding, embedding of just the characters used, and embedding of all the characters available in the font itself. The various file sizes were perfectly reasonable and tiny in all cases: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_3.png These are the file sizes with and without embedding: Powerpoint without any font embedding = 91 KB Powerpoint with only characters used embedded = 610 KB Powerpoint with all font characters embedded = 1793 KB After removal, the first file reverted to a jumbled mess: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_4.png Even after removal, the second and third files above looked great: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_5.png I think we have the final solution and the project plan figured out now, with all the technical and legal details ironed out perfectly. Thanks for your advice. |
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Technical & legal background using copyrighted fonts in custom road signs in PowerPoint
On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 19:57:23 +1200, David Empson
wrote: If the presentation needs to be editable on both Mac and Windows, and must have an embedded font, then PowerPoint is not a practical solution for a general audience. Thank you for testing out the Mac. I have written up the report, which is due on Monday, for the teacher. The final solution will be different for the Mac than for Windows. From this: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_4.png To this: http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_5.png For Windows, we will just provide the PowerPoint file which already has the entire font set embedded in it. This is the easiest for the Windows users to edit the file to add whatever they want without having to deal with the added issue of installing and deleting fonts. http://wetakepic.com/images/2017/09/10/roadsign_2.png For the Mac, any solution will be more complex as we have no choice but to provide the installable font file itself, and then to have every Mac user learn how to install the font and then for them to additionally learn how to delete the font on the Mac when they are done with the project. Thank you for your help in outlining the details which even Microsoft didn't say in their document on how to embed fonts into Power Point documents on the Mac so it's something we had to find out on our own. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...-in-powerpoint |
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