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  #181  
Old October 6th 18, 02:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:26:32 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:49:15 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
Why would a 1TB drive need more than a single drive letter?

I think you missed that I was talking about FAT32 *and* that I would like
to
know whats available, other than (the proprietary) NTFS.

You said "a single Terrabyte drive would easily exhaust all available
drive letters", so I'm asking why that would be the case.

Just format it with a single partition and give that partition a letter,
right?

The format command will not _offer_ you FAT32 even as an _option_ if the
partition is over a certain size. (Try it.) Windows/Microsoft artificially
limit the permissible size even more, but the utility Paul has mentioned
circumvents that limit - but there is still a maximum size for FAT32 that
is significantly lower than the limit for NTFS.


It is the Windows limit of 32 GB per FAT32 partition which would mean that
you would need a lot of partitions and therefore a lot of drive letters to
access all the disc (1000/32 is 32 which is greater than the number of drive
letters in the alphabet).


Right. That's almost certainly what Rudy was referring to, although I
seriously doubt that anyone interested in FAT32 within the past 15-20
years is trying to do the formatting with the native Windows format
command.

Rudy, if that's what you were referring to, my apologies for not picking
up on it sooner. There's still a question about why you'd suggest doing
it that way, but I'll let it rest. You probably meant it as a joke.

If you format a drive as FAT32 with a utility that doesn't have the 32 GB
limit, can Windows still access the whole drive OK


Yes, of course. The so-called 32GB limitation for FAT32 is entirely
within Microsoft's format command. Every third party formatter that I've
seen will happily format about 2TB.

is it only the built-in
FORMAT command (and the equivalent in Windows Explorer) that is crippled, as
opposed to the underlying file- and folder-access mechanism?


Exactly right. Once formatted with any formatter other than the native
Windows command, Windows will be happy with the results.


On similar lines I upgraded the HD in my Apple Wallstreet G3 laptop
from 2GB to 40GB. When I installed OSX 10.2.8 the installer insisted
it had to be on a partition less than 8GB but the Wallstreet will run
OSX on the full 40GB partition. It's only a limitation of the
installer.
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  #182  
Old October 6th 18, 03:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Lucifer
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On similar lines I upgraded the HD in my Apple Wallstreet G3 laptop
from 2GB to 40GB. When I installed OSX 10.2.8 the installer insisted
it had to be on a partition less than 8GB but the Wallstreet will run
OSX on the full 40GB partition. It's only a limitation of the
installer.


actually it's a limitation of old world rom macs, which wallstreet was
the last. new world rom macs did not have that limitation.
  #183  
Old October 6th 18, 04:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Lucifer wrote:
On Sat, 29 Sep 2018 00:04:56 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Well, you don't have to worry about the Wikipedia claim
that FAT32 supports ~250 million files. I started testing
that on Windows 10. It got to around 3 million files
and the machine crashed. Sweet.


My video recorder allows me to plug a USB drive into it
to copy files from the internal hard drive but it must be
formatted FAT32. That limits file size to 4GB when 1 hour
of HD video could be 6GB.

If I try to copy a file 4GB to a FAT32 drive with Windows
it say insufficient space even when the drive has plenty of
space.


Plenty of things use segmented recording.

If you're in Windows and want to put a 20GB file onto
a FAT32 stick, use 7ZIP or WinZIP and set the archive
file size. 7ZIP can be run in "Store" mode, where no
compression is done, and basically your 20GB file
is chopped up into five pieces so it fits on the
FAT32 volume. And it would be copied at pretty high
speed (limited by storage devices).

blah.vhd 20GB becomes

blah.zip.1 ~4GB and no compression used
blah.zip.2 ~4GB and no compression used
blah.zip.3 ~4GB and no compression used
blah.zip.4 ~4GB and no compression used
blah.zip.5 ~4GB and no compression used

This adds steps to your whole "SneakerNet" experience,
so this idea is only suited for bar bets.

Paul
  #184  
Old October 6th 18, 07:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Paul,

By any chance would you have both a DUN (dialup networking)
as well as regular Ethernet ?


Nope. Although I've not yet thrown the modem away, I've put it into a
closet. I do not even have a phonenumber to connect it to anymore.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #185  
Old October 6th 18, 07:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Frank,

The fact that you selected 3.1 implies that you have a Windows
7 system. Is that correct? (You didn't respond to my earlier "I
don't remember which Windows version you have." comment.)


My apologies for not responding. I've got an XPsp3 system, and did chose
3.1for no other reason than that all other numbers where higher. The next
choice, v4.0 , mentioned something about XP, but it was unclear to me what
it actually ment.

Did you try to download all the (relevant) Windows PE versions
at install time, like I suggested? If not, why not.


Ehrmmm ... Isn't that what that downloader is supposed to do ?

And to the "why not", some time ago I've searched my ass of for links to
such PE software, and came up zilch. If you have some links to those
versions ...

I would only use (the latest version of) v7. v6 and v5 are no
longer updated and you might run into a problem which is fixed
in v7.


Currently I'm runing into a problem that, so to speak, crept into V7 and has
as of last week not been fixed.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #186  
Old October 6th 18, 07:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Paul,

Perhaps you could prepare that "kit" on a more capable
OS, then bring it back to the WinXP Sp3 FAT32 setup


:-) I don't think I'm going to try to jump thru those hoops. That plus
not being sure that I can ever repeat it if I want to recreate the Macrium
backup program again gives me an unpleasant feeling.

So, thank you for your help (much obliged), but I think I'm dropping the
idea of using Macrium.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #187  
Old October 6th 18, 09:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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R.Wieser wrote:
Frank,

The fact that you selected 3.1 implies that you have a Windows
7 system. Is that correct? (You didn't respond to my earlier "I
don't remember which Windows version you have." comment.)


My apologies for not responding. I've got an XPsp3 system, and did chose
3.1for no other reason than that all other numbers where higher. The next
choice, v4.0 , mentioned something about XP, but it was unclear to me what
it actually ment.


Windows PE 4.0 "Supports UEFI / secure boot, USB 3.0 and HyperV
Generation 2 virtual machines". Unless you have a rather new computer
with Windows XP, it's unlikely you'll need this.

Did you try to download all the (relevant) Windows PE versions
at install time, like I suggested? If not, why not.


Ehrmmm ... Isn't that what that downloader is supposed to do ?


You can download the Windows PE when you *install* Macrium Reflect or
*later* when you select 'Create Rescue Media' from *within* Macrium
Reflect, i.e. after installation.

Because you apparently have some weird network problems when
downloading the Windows PE from the 'Create Rescue Media' function, I
advised to do the download during the installation of Macrium Reflect.

And to the "why not", some time ago I've searched my ass of for links to
such PE software, and came up zilch. If you have some links to those
versions ...


I meant the Windows PE software which Macrium Reflect can download,
either during installation or during the 'Create Rescue Media' function.
I.e. I did not mean any other non Macrium-related Windows PE software.

I would only use (the latest version of) v7. v6 and v5 are no
longer updated and you might run into a problem which is fixed
in v7.


Currently I'm runing into a problem that, so to speak, crept into V7 and has
as of last week not been fixed.


In my Macrium Reflect 7.1, I just did a 'Create Rescue Media' and
selected Windows PE 3.1. Macrium downloaded the Windows PE 3.1 software
(142.2MB I believe), built the Rescue 'image' and happily progressed
till the last 'Burn Rescue Media' phase, where you can burn the Rescue
Media to a CD/DVD or write it to a USB device/stick.

So I don't have any problem downloading the Windows PE 3.1 software,
which AFAIR is your main problem.

However this is not a purely apples to apples comparison, because my
system is Windows 8.1, while your is XP, and my system is 64-bit, and
your system is most likely 32-bit. (I think 32-bit versus 64-bit is
selected during installation time and probably can not be changed
later.)

So for some reason you have a (Windows PE 3.1 software) download
problem which we don't have.
  #188  
Old October 6th 18, 11:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10 R.Wieser wrote:
Paul,


By any chance would you have both a DUN (dialup networking)
as well as regular Ethernet ?


Nope. Although I've not yet thrown the modem away, I've put it into a
closet. I do not even have a phonenumber to connect it to anymore.


Do you even have a copper wire landline?
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  #189  
Old October 7th 18, 10:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Frank,

You can download the Windows PE when you *install* Macrium Reflect


I did. Otherwise I could not have chosen to "create rescue media", now
could I ?

By the way, I did not get an(y kind of) error there.

when you select 'Create Rescue Media' from *within* Macrium
Reflect, i.e. after installation.


.... Which is probably what it tried to do.

Because you apparently have some weird network problems


No, *I* don't. They are not "weird" either. Why do you keep referring to
it as a "network problem" when its not ? :-(

I advised to do the download during the installation of Macrium Reflect.


I did not get such an option presented, nor did it tell me what it actually
wanted to download. In other words, even if I wanted to I would not be able,
as I have no clue to what it, than or at a later moment, needs.

However this is not a purely apples to apples comparison, because
my system is Windows 8.1, while your is XP, and


As mentioned, I got to the conclusion that its an SSL encryption (as in: not
having a shared one) problem.

But its all moot now, as I've decided to drop Macrium from consideration.
It has proven to be just to frickle, if only by its dependance of external,
on-the-fly downloaded, resources.

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #190  
Old October 7th 18, 11:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Ant,

Do you even have a copper wire landline?


Yep. And connected to it is the *only* (working) telephone in my house.
:-)

Although I did have internet over it (ADSL) until a couple of years ago,
currently its over the television sets coax.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


  #191  
Old October 7th 18, 12:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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R.Wieser wrote:
Frank,

You can download the Windows PE when you *install* Macrium Reflect


I did. Otherwise I could not have chosen to "create rescue media", now
could I ?

By the way, I did not get an(y kind of) error there.

when you select 'Create Rescue Media' from *within* Macrium
Reflect, i.e. after installation.


... Which is probably what it tried to do.

Because you apparently have some weird network problems


No, *I* don't. They are not "weird" either. Why do you keep referring to
it as a "network problem" when its not ? :-(


Then what *is* your problem!? This thread is nearly 200 posts, so it's
very hard to keep track of what is and what isn't your problem,
especially because you give conflicting information (see below),
unintentially I'm sure, but still.

I advised to do the download during the installation of Macrium Reflect.


I did not get such an option presented, nor did it tell me what it actually
wanted to download. In other words, even if I wanted to I would not be able,
as I have no clue to what it, than or at a later moment, needs.


This is direct conflict with your first comment:

You can download the Windows PE when you *install* Macrium Reflect


I did. Otherwise I could not have chosen to "create rescue media", now
could I ?


So did you download the Windows PE *during* the *installation* (i.e.
in the *first* phase) of MR or during the *use* of MR?

And, given the confusion, was the download of Windows PE *successful*
or not?

However this is not a purely apples to apples comparison, because
my system is Windows 8.1, while your is XP, and


As mentioned, I got to the conclusion that its an SSL encryption (as in: not
having a shared one) problem.

But its all moot now, as I've decided to drop Macrium from consideration.
It has proven to be just to frickle, if only by its dependance of external,
on-the-fly downloaded, resources.


As I mentioned before, MR is *not* dependant on "external, on-the-fly
downloaded, resources", because you can download *each and every*
Windows PE version which you might ever need, *during* *installation* of
MR, i.e. *before* you made any real use of MR, i.e. *before* you make
Rescue Media or/and *before* you make any image of any partition.

AFAICT, any 'frickleness' is not MR's fault.

Thanks for your help.


You're welcome. Better luck next time. Perhaps you should try Acronis?
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Old November 13th 18, 12:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.windows7.general
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Char Jackson
Thu, 27 Sep 2018
22:42:43 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

If you can boot an XP install CD, you can presumably boot another
CD before that, containing utilities to manage your drive and its
partitions. That's what I remember doing back in the day.


Same.


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