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Installing Updates 1 of 3 ... forever
Well it has been 30 minutes so far and still waiting for it to install
the first update. It says do not power off or unplug but there is no other option to get out of this. What do I do??? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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Hi, OldGuy.
What do I do??? You wait.... 30 Minutes is not so long. It's nowhere near "forever". Sometimes these updates can take hours. More feedback would be comforting, of course, and SHOULD be a part of every update - but that would probably require frequent interruptions of the update process (to put a message onscreen, after calculating time remaining) and make the updates take even longer. :( Of course, we don't really know what updates you are asking about. You didn't say. It has been a couple of weeks since "Patch Tuesday"; are you just now getting around to Windows Updates? RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010) Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro "OldGuy" wrote in message ... Well it has been 30 minutes so far and still waiting for it to install the first update. It says do not power off or unplug but there is no other option to get out of this. What do I do??? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- |
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On 30-Jul-2013 12:02, OldGuy wrote:
Well it has been 30 minutes so far and still waiting for it to install the first update. It says do not power off or unplug but there is no other option to get out of this. What do I do??? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- If they are .net framework types updates, they do take a while. I have 21 listed for the 9 July update in Win7. -- Leala. |
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OldGuy wrote:
Well it has been 30 minutes so far and still waiting for it to install the first update. It says do not power off or unplug but there is no other option to get out of this. What do I do??? It sometimes takes longer. Sometimes things go wrong and it stalls. Do you really need the gigabyte of .NET and Office updates? Watch the hdd light and the internet traffic (install Network Activity Indicator on 7 if you don't already have it). http://www.itsamples.com/network-act...indicator.html |
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Paul in Houston TX wrote:
OldGuy wrote: Well it has been 30 minutes so far and still waiting for it to install the first update. It says do not power off or unplug but there is no other option to get out of this. What do I do??? It sometimes takes longer. Sometimes things go wrong and it stalls. Do you really need the gigabyte of .NET and Office updates? Watch the hdd light and the internet traffic (install Network Activity Indicator on 7 if you don't already have it). http://www.itsamples.com/network-act...indicator.html What are .NET updates required for? I've always allowed them, because of my ignorance regarding what it affects. If I don't need them I'd like to stop them. I don't use Office either, but I assumed maybe [erroneously] I needed those updates for the Microsoft Office Picture Manager or something... [which I also don't know if it's connected to that Personalization business]. Don't mean to hi-jack this thread, just hope I can gain some info along with OldGuy. bj |
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 11:15:01 -0500, "R. C. White"
wrote: Hi, OldGuy. What do I do??? You wait.... 30 Minutes is not so long. It's nowhere near "forever". Sometimes these updates can take hours. More feedback would be comforting, of course, and SHOULD be a part of every update - but that would probably require frequent interruptions of the update process (to put a message onscreen, after calculating time remaining) and make the updates take even longer. :( Longer? Yes. But *significantly* longer? No. I'm with you. They SHOULD do that. |
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On 7/30/2013 9:02 AM, OldGuy wrote:
Well it has been 30 minutes so far and still waiting for it to install the first update. It says do not power off or unplug but there is no other option to get out of this. What do I do??? --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: --- It always pays to check first before permitting downloads to update Microsoft Windows. Some updates may require the computer to re-start; others do not. There are also potential updates that conflicts with applications that are already on the computer or possibly require that an application running in the background might need to be turned off. In other words, one should not do updates blindly. Depending on how the script is written by Microsoft that links the updates, a prolonged delay for a short update file may indicate that the computer has hung (i.e., in a "non-responsive" state) while it catches up, as could occur with a change of a system file to a newer version of the same name. Or an incompatible version of a driver file has been installed. Anything can happen, especially if there are more than one update file that would call for a restart. The second piece of advice: Always have a backup image file of the systems partition before initiating an update that involves more than one file or application or device. IIRC, if one aborts the update, then on the re-start, use F8 and re-start with the previously good start. I think this option still exists with Windows 7. GR |
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In message , Paul in Houston TX
writes OldGuy wrote: Well it has been 30 minutes so far and still waiting for it to install the first update. It says do not power off or unplug but there is no other option to get out of this. What do I do??? It sometimes takes longer. Sometimes things go wrong and it stalls. Do you really need the gigabyte of .NET and Office updates? Watch the hdd light and the internet traffic (install Network Activity Indicator on 7 if you don't already have it). http://www.itsamples.com/network-act...indicator.html In XP, 'NetMeter' was great for graphically continuously showing internet activity - but doesn't work in W7. Can Network Activity Indicator do something similar? -- Ian |
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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Paul in Houston TX writes OldGuy wrote: Well it has been 30 minutes so far and still waiting for it to install the first update. It says do not power off or unplug but there is no other option to get out of this. What do I do??? It sometimes takes longer. Sometimes things go wrong and it stalls. Do you really need the gigabyte of .NET and Office updates? Watch the hdd light and the internet traffic (install Network Activity Indicator on 7 if you don't already have it). http://www.itsamples.com/network-act...indicator.html In XP, 'NetMeter' was great for graphically continuously showing internet activity - but doesn't work in W7. Can Network Activity Indicator do something similar? NAI does not graph. I like it because of the little screens that look like the XP one, send / rcv. There are statistics but they are at the time you clicked on the icon. I like the idea of realtime graphing. Will have to look around for something like that for my w7 machine. |
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chicagofan wrote:
Paul in Houston TX wrote: OldGuy wrote: Well it has been 30 minutes so far and still waiting for it to install the first update. It says do not power off or unplug but there is no other option to get out of this. What do I do??? It sometimes takes longer. Sometimes things go wrong and it stalls. Do you really need the gigabyte of .NET and Office updates? Watch the hdd light and the internet traffic (install Network Activity Indicator on 7 if you don't already have it). http://www.itsamples.com/network-act...indicator.html What are .NET updates required for? I've always allowed them, because of my ignorance regarding what it affects. If I don't need them I'd like to stop them. I can't answer the question about needing updates or not. Most people probably should get all the updates for everything. People that are fairly computer literate probably don't get many updates. Some windows programs require a version of .NET. Most don't. My industrial communication software requires the .NET 3.5 library. I rarely update it and have not gotten 4.x. Some of the updates are for security. Some are new functional libraries. Its kind of, sort of, somewhat, like Java or C++ language. I don't use Office either, but I assumed maybe [erroneously] I needed those updates for the Microsoft Office Picture Manager or something... [which I also don't know if it's connected to that Personalization business]. Many of the updates are for security or to enable the software to work with new or changed hardware and software. Click on a few of them sometime and then view the detailed description and you will see what they are for. I have not updated this machine in years and don't intend to. It works great as is. Don't mean to hi-jack this thread, just hope I can gain some info along with OldGuy. bj |
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 14:52:40 -0400, chicagofan
wrote: What are .NET updates required for? I've always allowed them, because of my ignorance regarding what it affects. If I don't need them I'd like to stop them. They are .net *framework* updates. Note the word "framework." The .net framework files are needed for programs written with .net and the appropriate .net framework is needed, depending on what version of ..net the program was written with. Not all programs are written with .net, but a good number are. Chances are you run some such programs, but if you don't today, you will tomorrow. So you should allow the updates. |
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On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:11:50 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Some windows programs require a version of .NET. Most don't. My industrial communication software requires the .NET 3.5 library. I rarely update it and have not gotten 4.x. It is my understanding that a program that requires .NET x.y will not run with .NET p.q, when p != x or q != y. -- Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch) |
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Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:11:50 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Some windows programs require a version of .NET. Most don't. My industrial communication software requires the .NET 3.5 library. I rarely update it and have not gotten 4.x. It is my understanding that a program that requires .NET x.y will not run with .NET p.q, when p != x or q != y. The numbers correspond to layers. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...DotNet.svg.png But Microsoft likes to screw around with the delivery, and there can be more than one way to install .NET libraries. For example, there are "lightweight" installers, which require a smaller download. And apparently, if you run Windows Update, then Windows Update may have an update that pulls down the full install (defeating the purpose of the lightweight one). So while the layer cake model is a "fun concept", the practical details say "Microsoft couldn't do release control if their life depended on it. I've found a couple *installers* for programs, that insisted that .NET 4.0 be present. And then .NET 4.0 demands that you install Win7 SP1 (if you haven't already installed SP1). And then there are claims that .NET 4.0 can take the place of some of the others .NET numbers. But who knows what the relationship is in {p,q,x,y} space ? Maybe if Einstein is out there tonight, he can post back with a blackboard full of math. In theory, a program asks for a particular CLR (common language runtime) version. Like a .NET 2 program, would be looking for 2.0.50727. But what I don't know, is if a package like .NET 4, will answer for several versions, or just answer when 4.0.30319 is called for. Paul |
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On 30/07/2013 23:11, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
chicagofan wrote: Paul in Houston TX wrote: I don't use Office either, but I assumed maybe [erroneously] I needed those updates for the Microsoft Office Picture Manager or something... [which I also don't know if it's connected to that Personalization business]. Many of the updates are for security or to enable the software to work with new or changed hardware and software. Click on a few of them sometime and then view the detailed description and you will see what they are for. Quite a few machines come with an Office trial pre-installed, but time-limited. I have 2007 on this laptop, but never use it because I can't stand the interface. And, although it no longer works for creating/editing files, it does act as a reader. On that basis alone I install the Office updates in case there is something I might need when I use that reading facility, such as a security patch. -- Jeff |
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Paul in Houston TX wrote:
chicagofan wrote: Paul in Houston TX wrote: Do you really need the gigabyte of .NET and Office updates? What are .NET updates required for? I've always allowed them, because of my ignorance regarding what it affects. If I don't need them I'd like to stop them. I can't answer the question about needing updates or not. Most people probably should get all the updates for everything. People that are fairly computer literate probably don't get many updates. Some windows programs require a version of .NET. Most don't. My industrial communication software requires the .NET 3.5 library. I rarely update it and have not gotten 4.x. Some of the updates are for security. Some are new functional libraries. Its kind of, sort of, somewhat, like Java or C++ language. I see I have many older C++ programs on my Win7, I was wondering what they were for. I will wonder no more, and assume all these things are necessary for my OS to work, and I will never understand another Windows OS. I don't use Office either, but I assumed maybe [erroneously] I needed those updates for the Microsoft Office Picture Manager or something... [which I also don't know if it's connected to that Personalization business]. Many of the updates are for security or to enable the software to work with new or changed hardware and software. Click on a few of them sometime and then view the detailed description and you will see what they are for. I do... and they all say virtually the same thing... go to the website to see what it affects. Never seem to have the time to do that for ALL of the updates I don't recognize. I have not updated this machine in years and don't intend to. It works great as is. Thanks so much for all the info, and I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner. Life intervenes sometimes... bj |
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