New computer but win 7 or 8

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 15:53:45 -0700, Mellowed wrote:

On 4/13/2013 3:31 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:54:51 -0700, Mellowed wrote:

On 4/13/2013 12:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:


I wasn't crazy about the ribbon either, but on the other hand, it
didn't take very long for me to get accustomed to it.

I run Microsoft Office 2013 these days (mostly just Outlook and Excel;
I prefer and use WordPerfect X6 for my word processor), and by now, I
don't have any real problems with the ribbon.

I'm to old to learn unnecessary new tricks. If I needed the new things
in the work place I would have to adapt. Right now I only use Word and
Excel. Haven't used Power Point since I retired 13 years ago.


I was about to say I was probably older than you (I'm 75). Then I saw
that you retired 13 years ago, so I'm perhaps wrong.

But I retired 20 years ago.
Well you do have an edge on me. I'm 72. Hence my tag of 'Mellowed'.
Everything is relative. I had about 40 hectic years while working and
now nothing bothers me. I'm really enjoying retirement!


Same here!

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:31:50 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

*Will* run under Windows 7? Yes, but there are some incompatibilities,
and should probably be avoided.

Ah..

THX


You're welcome. But for what they are, see Winston's reply and perhaps
also do the search I suggested.

I have Office 2000, but I use 2003. (it works fine with W7)

--
-gufus
Thou Shalt NOT excessively annoy others or
allow Thyself to become excessively annoyed

gufus wrote:

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:31:50 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

*Will* run under Windows 7? Yes, but there are some incompatibilities,
and should probably be avoided.

Ah..

THX


You're welcome. But for what they are, see Winston's reply and perhaps
also do the search I suggested.

I have Office 2000, but I use 2003. (it works fine with W7)

I installed 32-bit Word 2000, the latest version my client had, on a
Thinkpad Edge with 6GB RAM running 64-bit W7 Pro. Didn't have to do
anything special. App runs hot, straight, and normal.

Stef

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:54:51 -0700, Mellowed wrote:

On 4/13/2013 12:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:26:18 -0700, Mellowed wrote:


I haven't noted any incompatibilities in my usage and the later Office
software is difficult for me (read the 'ribbon').


I wasn't crazy about the ribbon either, but on the other hand, it
didn't take very long for me to get accustomed to it.

I run Microsoft Office 2013 these days (mostly just Outlook and Excel;
I prefer and use WordPerfect X6 for my word processor), and by now, I
don't have any real problems with the ribbon.

I'm to old to learn unnecessary new tricks. If I needed the new things
in the work place I would have to adapt. Right now I only use Word and
Excel. Haven't used Power Point since I retired 13 years ago. Quit
using Outlook when some compatibility issues started with some MS
updates. Went to Thunderbird and have been happy ever since. So it is
all non issues for me. If the world turns into a Pumpkin, I'll go with
Libre Office as it also works just fine. (I used Libre Office (free)
when I had Win8 as Office 2000 will not run in Win8.

I tried Thunderbird but it doesn't recognize my (live.ca) address.
Just searches forever and won't give me the option of manual setup
until it finishes searching, which it never does. I have to stick with
Outlook 2003. I don't know why Microsoft doesn't have a good free
email program. I don't consider Windows Live email to be good at all.

On 4/13/2013 8:14 PM, Frank wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:54:51 -0700, Mellowed wrote:

On 4/13/2013 12:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:26:18 -0700, Mellowed wrote:


I haven't noted any incompatibilities in my usage and the later Office
software is difficult for me (read the 'ribbon').


I wasn't crazy about the ribbon either, but on the other hand, it
didn't take very long for me to get accustomed to it.

I run Microsoft Office 2013 these days (mostly just Outlook and Excel;
I prefer and use WordPerfect X6 for my word processor), and by now, I
don't have any real problems with the ribbon.

I'm to old to learn unnecessary new tricks. If I needed the new things
in the work place I would have to adapt. Right now I only use Word and
Excel. Haven't used Power Point since I retired 13 years ago. Quit
using Outlook when some compatibility issues started with some MS
updates. Went to Thunderbird and have been happy ever since. So it is
all non issues for me. If the world turns into a Pumpkin, I'll go with
Libre Office as it also works just fine. (I used Libre Office (free)
when I had Win8 as Office 2000 will not run in Win8.

I tried Thunderbird but it doesn't recognize my (live.ca) address.
Just searches forever and won't give me the option of manual setup
until it finishes searching, which it never does. I have to stick with
Outlook 2003. I don't know why Microsoft doesn't have a good free
email program. I don't consider Windows Live email to be good at all.

Now that sounds like a challenge wanting to be solved. I think that it
is a setup problem. The first thing that comes to mind is a PORT
setting. My ISP recently changed to a POP service and changed Ports and
SSL. Check with your ISP for all of the correct settings.

Totally uninstall any old versions of Thunderbird and download the
latest. If I recall correctly Thunderbird checks some sort of database
after you enter your email address for setup parameters.

Well, forget all of the above. I went to live.ca to get the parameters
and realized that it is a Microsoft thing. You are forced to use
Outlook it seems. But I've got an idea. When setting up Thunderbird it
gives you an option for getting an email address through some kind of
ISP that I never heard of. Why not give it a try? It it works and you
like it (and if its free) then you could consider sending out an email
address change. If nothing else it's good for an education.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:29:23 +0100, Mike Barnes
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch :

My boot time is now only two or two and a half minutes instead of twice
that.


My personal view is that the attention many people pay to how long it
takes to boot is unwarranted. Assuming that the computer's speed is
otherwise satisfactory, it is not generally worth worrying about. Most
people start their computers once a day or even less frequently. In
the overall scheme of things, even a few minutes to start up isn't
very important. Personally I power on my computer when I get up in the
morning, then go get my coffee. When I come back, it's done booting. I
don't know how long it took to boot and I don't care.

Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:29:23 +0100, Mike Barnes
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch :

My boot time is now only two or two and a half minutes instead of twice
that.


My personal view is that the attention many people pay to how long it
takes to boot is unwarranted. Assuming that the computer's speed is
otherwise satisfactory, it is not generally worth worrying about. Most
people start their computers once a day or even less frequently. In
the overall scheme of things, even a few minutes to start up isn't
very important. Personally I power on my computer when I get up in the
morning, then go get my coffee. When I come back, it's done booting. I
don't know how long it took to boot and I don't care.

I consider long boot times as indicative of a lot of crap I don't need
being loaded and taking up precious RAM that could better be used
for something else.

Stef

On 4/14/2013 10:34 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:29:23 +0100, Mike Barnes
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch :

My boot time is now only two or two and a half minutes instead of twice
that.


My personal view is that the attention many people pay to how long it
takes to boot is unwarranted. Assuming that the computer's speed is
otherwise satisfactory, it is not generally worth worrying about. Most
people start their computers once a day or even less frequently. In
the overall scheme of things, even a few minutes to start up isn't
very important. Personally I power on my computer when I get up in the
morning, then go get my coffee. When I come back, it's done booting. I
don't know how long it took to boot and I don't care.


It does make an impressive demo.
And, folks will compare it to the time it takes to start up their tablet or cellphone.

That "instant gratification" pursuit.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:10:02 +0000 (UTC), Stef
wrote:


I consider long boot times as indicative of a lot of crap I don't need
being loaded and taking up precious RAM that could better be used
for something else.


Bear in mind that if you load a program and don't use it, the RAM it
took up is very quickly paged out. So what you say isn't necessarily
correct at all.

On 4/13/2013 7:52 PM, Stef wrote:
gufus wrote:

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:31:50 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

*Will* run under Windows 7? Yes, but there are some incompatibilities,
and should probably be avoided.

Ah..

THX


You're welcome. But for what they are, see Winston's reply and perhaps
also do the search I suggested.

I have Office 2000, but I use 2003. (it works fine with W7)

I installed 32-bit Word 2000, the latest version my client had, on a
Thinkpad Edge with 6GB RAM running 64-bit W7 Pro. Didn't have to do
anything special. App runs hot, straight, and normal.

Stef


To eliminate a pop-up error message, a false positive, I run
MS Word 2000 under Windows XP-SP3 compatibility in Windows 7
Pro, 64-bit.

GR

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 20:51:58 -0700, Mellowed wrote:

On 4/13/2013 8:14 PM, Frank wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 14:54:51 -0700, Mellowed wrote:

On 4/13/2013 12:45 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 09:26:18 -0700, Mellowed wrote:


I haven't noted any incompatibilities in my usage and the later Office
software is difficult for me (read the 'ribbon').


I wasn't crazy about the ribbon either, but on the other hand, it
didn't take very long for me to get accustomed to it.

I run Microsoft Office 2013 these days (mostly just Outlook and Excel;
I prefer and use WordPerfect X6 for my word processor), and by now, I
don't have any real problems with the ribbon.

I'm to old to learn unnecessary new tricks. If I needed the new things
in the work place I would have to adapt. Right now I only use Word and
Excel. Haven't used Power Point since I retired 13 years ago. Quit
using Outlook when some compatibility issues started with some MS
updates. Went to Thunderbird and have been happy ever since. So it is
all non issues for me. If the world turns into a Pumpkin, I'll go with
Libre Office as it also works just fine. (I used Libre Office (free)
when I had Win8 as Office 2000 will not run in Win8.

I tried Thunderbird but it doesn't recognize my (live.ca) address.
Just searches forever and won't give me the option of manual setup
until it finishes searching, which it never does. I have to stick with
Outlook 2003. I don't know why Microsoft doesn't have a good free
email program. I don't consider Windows Live email to be good at all.

Now that sounds like a challenge wanting to be solved. I think that it
is a setup problem. The first thing that comes to mind is a PORT
setting. My ISP recently changed to a POP service and changed Ports and
SSL. Check with your ISP for all of the correct settings.

Totally uninstall any old versions of Thunderbird and download the
latest. If I recall correctly Thunderbird checks some sort of database
after you enter your email address for setup parameters.

Well, forget all of the above. I went to live.ca to get the parameters
and realized that it is a Microsoft thing. You are forced to use
Outlook it seems. But I've got an idea. When setting up Thunderbird it
gives you an option for getting an email address through some kind of
ISP that I never heard of. Why not give it a try? It it works and you
like it (and if its free) then you could consider sending out an email
address change. If nothing else it's good for an education.


I tried most everything to get Thunderbird to recognize my live.ca
address but no luck. Then for the heck of it I tried one of my unused
live.com addresses, it worked right away. Next I went to my account
settings and changed all the settings to my live.ca address and it
worked, Thunderbird is working with live.ca now.

I also have problems with signing up to some websites when I use
live.ca, which is wierd because Hotmail was still giving out .ca
addresses up to about a month ago so I don't understand why they are
not being recognized. This is a PITA. I don't want to abandon my .ca
address because I have had it for years and it is a unique name that
is hard to get.

Gene E. Bloch :
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:04:39 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

...winston :
I've rarely used the Start Menu. Once the ability to pin to the
Taskbar, Jump Lists, and/or add the Quick Launch bar and in conjunction
with the simple method of searching (another Taskbar shortcut that open
'Search without the need to first open Explorer) the need to use the
Start Menu for routine tasks became unnecessary. Lol...and no my
desktop is not full of shortcuts (it has 5 total icons - iTunes,
Internet Explorer, SeaMonkey, my WordPress blog, and Computer)

That's five more than. :-)

You'd love my desktop. With the help of Fences I had nearly 150 icons
present on my desktop.

A couple of weeks ago, I decided that might possibly be overkill[1], so
I converted all 14 of the fences into folders.

My boot time is now only two or two and a half minutes instead of twice
that.

[1] Sponsored by the Department of Understatement Department.

You'd love my boot time. 18 seconds.

AAMOI how did the words "my desktop" get snipped from "That's five more
than my desktop"?

It takes me at least an hour to boot up every morning before I am ready
to go. 102 seconds for my computer to do the same feels like warp
speed to me LOL

--
mick

On 4/14/2013 12:57 PM, Frank wrote:


I tried Thunderbird but it doesn't recognize my (live.ca) address.
Just searches forever and won't give me the option of manual setup
until it finishes searching, which it never does. I have to stick with
Outlook 2003. I don't know why Microsoft doesn't have a good free
email program. I don't consider Windows Live email to be good at all.

Now that sounds like a challenge wanting to be solved. I think that it
is a setup problem. The first thing that comes to mind is a PORT
setting. My ISP recently changed to a POP service and changed Ports and
SSL. Check with your ISP for all of the correct settings.

Totally uninstall any old versions of Thunderbird and download the
latest. If I recall correctly Thunderbird checks some sort of database
after you enter your email address for setup parameters.

Well, forget all of the above. I went to live.ca to get the parameters
and realized that it is a Microsoft thing. You are forced to use
Outlook it seems. But I've got an idea. When setting up Thunderbird it
gives you an option for getting an email address through some kind of
ISP that I never heard of. Why not give it a try? It it works and you
like it (and if its free) then you could consider sending out an email
address change. If nothing else it's good for an education.


I tried most everything to get Thunderbird to recognize my live.ca
address but no luck. Then for the heck of it I tried one of my unused
live.com addresses, it worked right away. Next I went to my account
settings and changed all the settings to my live.ca address and it
worked, Thunderbird is working with live.ca now.

I also have problems with signing up to some websites when I use
live.ca, which is wierd because Hotmail was still giving out .ca
addresses up to about a month ago so I don't understand why they are
not being recognized. This is a PITA. I don't want to abandon my .ca
address because I have had it for years and it is a unique name that
is hard to get.

Congratulations on getting T-Bird up. I can't even imagine why some
sites won't recognize live.ca. Somebody familiar with MS stuff might
have an idea.

On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 16:39:08 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 4/14/2013 2:44 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013 17:10:02 +0000 (UTC), Stef
wrote:


I consider long boot times as indicative of a lot of crap I don't need
being loaded and taking up precious RAM that could better be used
for something else.


Bear in mind that if you load a program and don't use it, the RAM it
took up is very quickly paged out. So what you say isn't necessarily
correct at all.

Yes, but your comment doesn't AFAIK apply to start-up applets, which
will run in the background. Only cure is to prune the start-up and the
Windows services lists.


Actually, it does apply to most startup applets.They sit in the
background, not actually running, but waiting for you to press some
key (or some other event to occur) to activate and use them.

As a single example, I run PureText in the background. It removes any
formatting from text that I've copied and converts it to pure text.
But it sits in the System Tray, doing nothing and using the virtual
memory but no real memory (or almost no real memory) unless I copy
some text and then click the icon in the tray.

There are counterexamples of course, but most startup applets are like
that.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:29:23 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

Gene E. Bloch :
On Sat, 13 Apr 2013 22:04:39 +0100, Mike Barnes wrote:

...winston :
I've rarely used the Start Menu. Once the ability to pin to the
Taskbar, Jump Lists, and/or add the Quick Launch bar and in conjunction
with the simple method of searching (another Taskbar shortcut that open
'Search without the need to first open Explorer) the need to use the
Start Menu for routine tasks became unnecessary. Lol...and no my
desktop is not full of shortcuts (it has 5 total icons - iTunes,
Internet Explorer, SeaMonkey, my WordPress blog, and Computer)

That's five more than. :-)

You'd love my desktop. With the help of Fences I had nearly 150 icons
present on my desktop.

A couple of weeks ago, I decided that might possibly be overkill[1], so
I converted all 14 of the fences into folders.

My boot time is now only two or two and a half minutes instead of twice
that.

[1] Sponsored by the Department of Understatement Department.

You'd love my boot time. 18 seconds.

AAMOI how did the words "my desktop" get snipped from "That's five more
than my desktop"?

Careless drag and paste by the poster (me).

AKA Oops :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)