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Hi all,
I have a pc with a C:-partition where Windows is installed (W7 32b, partition size 97.7 GB). This is the 1st partition on the 1st HD, which is bootable. I recently purchased a pcie SSD-card (128 GB) which I want to use for the Windows OS and which I want to be bootable. So I want to replace the bootsector from the 1st HD and the content of the current C:-partition to this new SSD, so I can use the current 1st HD for other purposes. Ofcourse I can install Windows and all applications from scratch on the new SSD, but I prefer to clone the current Windows OS and the boot sector to this SSD. Can this be done? Which application do you advice? Can I make this SSD bootable? Thanks for your answers. Fokke Nauta |
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Fokke Nauta wrote:
Hi all, I have a pc with a C:-partition where Windows is installed (W7 32b, partition size 97.7 GB). This is the 1st partition on the 1st HD, which is bootable. I recently purchased a pcie SSD-card (128 GB) which I want to use for the Windows OS and which I want to be bootable. So I want to replace the bootsector from the 1st HD and the content of the current C:-partition to this new SSD, so I can use the current 1st HD for other purposes. Ofcourse I can install Windows and all applications from scratch on the new SSD, but I prefer to clone the current Windows OS and the boot sector to this SSD. Can this be done? Which application do you advice? Can I make this SSD bootable? Thanks for your answers. Fokke Nauta I can think of a couple possibilities. 1) Macrium Reflect has a clone function. If it asks whether you want the MBR copied, the answer would be "yes", plus you want to clone the 97.7GB partition. I suppose it would also depend on whether you have a one-partition or two-partition Windows 7 installation. The two-partition kind, you must also copy the SYSTEM RESERVED (no drive letter) partition. 2) The alternative, is to simply use "dd" to do it. Which is the disk dump program available for Windows (as a port) and available for Linux. By booting a Linux LiveCD in this case, the other drives would be "not busy" and would be safe to clone by doing a "dd" sector by sector copy operation. I do stuff like this, for the fun of it :-) I'd try the Macrium first, because it's a bit easier on the brain. Both approaches use a boot CD. Macrium has a boot CD (or you could clone while still in Windows for that matter - Macrium uses VSS). Whereas, the Linux LiveCD is a boot CD, and the "dd" included with every copy could do the job. The "dd" method only makes good sense, if the partition(s) to be copied are at the very beginning of the disk. It's easier that way. sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1048576 count=100000 My command there, would copy the first 104,857,600,000 bytes, or slightly more than your 97.7GB. That's just a rough idea of how much to copy. You can use the information at your disposal, to figure out a more exact number if you want. All you need to make sure, is you don't snip the end off the 97.7GB partition by accident. I've done that once, with some careless math, and left behind around 5MB or something :-) It seemed funny at the time. When using dd, you can't be too careful with the math. ******* I'm surprised the PCIe SSD card didn't come with clone software. Why not check the installer CD, for a software solution ? Paul |
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On 21/07/2014 12:03, Paul wrote:
Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, I have a pc with a C:-partition where Windows is installed (W7 32b, partition size 97.7 GB). This is the 1st partition on the 1st HD, which is bootable. I recently purchased a pcie SSD-card (128 GB) which I want to use for the Windows OS and which I want to be bootable. So I want to replace the bootsector from the 1st HD and the content of the current C:-partition to this new SSD, so I can use the current 1st HD for other purposes. Ofcourse I can install Windows and all applications from scratch on the new SSD, but I prefer to clone the current Windows OS and the boot sector to this SSD. Can this be done? Which application do you advice? Can I make this SSD bootable? Thanks for your answers. Fokke Nauta I can think of a couple possibilities. 1) Macrium Reflect has a clone function. If it asks whether you want the MBR copied, the answer would be "yes", plus you want to clone the 97.7GB partition. I suppose it would also depend on whether you have a one-partition or two-partition Windows 7 installation. The two-partition kind, you must also copy the SYSTEM RESERVED (no drive letter) partition. 2) The alternative, is to simply use "dd" to do it. Which is the disk dump program available for Windows (as a port) and available for Linux. By booting a Linux LiveCD in this case, the other drives would be "not busy" and would be safe to clone by doing a "dd" sector by sector copy operation. I do stuff like this, for the fun of it :-) I'd try the Macrium first, because it's a bit easier on the brain. Both approaches use a boot CD. Macrium has a boot CD (or you could clone while still in Windows for that matter - Macrium uses VSS). Whereas, the Linux LiveCD is a boot CD, and the "dd" included with every copy could do the job. The "dd" method only makes good sense, if the partition(s) to be copied are at the very beginning of the disk. It's easier that way. sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1048576 count=100000 My command there, would copy the first 104,857,600,000 bytes, or slightly more than your 97.7GB. That's just a rough idea of how much to copy. You can use the information at your disposal, to figure out a more exact number if you want. All you need to make sure, is you don't snip the end off the 97.7GB partition by accident. I've done that once, with some careless math, and left behind around 5MB or something :-) It seemed funny at the time. When using dd, you can't be too careful with the math. ******* I'm surprised the PCIe SSD card didn't come with clone software. Why not check the installer CD, for a software solution ? Paul Thanks, Paul. The SSD card is not in my posession yet, I will collect it in the afternoon. But I'll first check for the availability of a clone tool. I do have a free copy of Macrium installed and use it for imaging the C:-partition every month (in case of an hd failure). I didn't see the cloning option. Perhaps I may need to purchase the full version in case there is no clone tool with the SSD card. I wasn't sure if this could be done, when comparing the different sector structures on an hd and a SSD. Fokke |
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Fokke Nauta said on 7/21/2014 6:50 AM: On 21/07/2014 12:03, Paul wrote: Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, I have a pc with a C:-partition where Windows is installed (W7 32b, partition size 97.7 GB). This is the 1st partition on the 1st HD, which is bootable. I recently purchased a pcie SSD-card (128 GB) which I want to use for the Windows OS and which I want to be bootable. So I want to replace the bootsector from the 1st HD and the content of the current C:-partition to this new SSD, so I can use the current 1st HD for other purposes. Ofcourse I can install Windows and all applications from scratch on the new SSD, but I prefer to clone the current Windows OS and the boot sector to this SSD. Can this be done? Which application do you advice? Can I make this SSD bootable? Thanks for your answers. Fokke Nauta I can think of a couple possibilities. 1) Macrium Reflect has a clone function. If it asks whether you want the MBR copied, the answer would be "yes", plus you want to clone the 97.7GB partition. I suppose it would also depend on whether you have a one-partition or two-partition Windows 7 installation. The two-partition kind, you must also copy the SYSTEM RESERVED (no drive letter) partition. 2) The alternative, is to simply use "dd" to do it. Which is the disk dump program available for Windows (as a port) and available for Linux. By booting a Linux LiveCD in this case, the other drives would be "not busy" and would be safe to clone by doing a "dd" sector by sector copy operation. I do stuff like this, for the fun of it :-) I'd try the Macrium first, because it's a bit easier on the brain. Both approaches use a boot CD. Macrium has a boot CD (or you could clone while still in Windows for that matter - Macrium uses VSS). Whereas, the Linux LiveCD is a boot CD, and the "dd" included with every copy could do the job. The "dd" method only makes good sense, if the partition(s) to be copied are at the very beginning of the disk. It's easier that way. sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1048576 count=100000 My command there, would copy the first 104,857,600,000 bytes, or slightly more than your 97.7GB. That's just a rough idea of how much to copy. You can use the information at your disposal, to figure out a more exact number if you want. All you need to make sure, is you don't snip the end off the 97.7GB partition by accident. I've done that once, with some careless math, and left behind around 5MB or something :-) It seemed funny at the time. When using dd, you can't be too careful with the math. ******* I'm surprised the PCIe SSD card didn't come with clone software. Why not check the installer CD, for a software solution ? Paul Thanks, Paul. The SSD card is not in my posession yet, I will collect it in the afternoon. But I'll first check for the availability of a clone tool. I do have a free copy of Macrium installed and use it for imaging the C:-partition every month (in case of an hd failure). I didn't see the cloning option. Perhaps I may need to purchase the full version in case there is no clone tool with the SSD card. I wasn't sure if this could be done, when comparing the different sector structures on an hd and a SSD. Fokke I would note that you don't necessarily need a clone tool, even though that IS what you want. You can use any image tool, make the image someplace (and that's the biggest question) and then swap drives and put the image back on the new drive. It's more steps but if you can't clone, you can "reimage". I like the clone personally, skips the "where do I store the image" question. Just trying to give you alternatives. I've used Acronis True Image to do a lot of my images and clones. I also found http://www.todo-backup.com/ EasUStodo Backup a very simple imaging tool. Not much to look at but it does whole drive backups nice. |
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On 21/07/2014 16:03, Big Al wrote:
Fokke Nauta said on 7/21/2014 6:50 AM: On 21/07/2014 12:03, Paul wrote: Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, I have a pc with a C:-partition where Windows is installed (W7 32b, partition size 97.7 GB). This is the 1st partition on the 1st HD, which is bootable. I recently purchased a pcie SSD-card (128 GB) which I want to use for the Windows OS and which I want to be bootable. So I want to replace the bootsector from the 1st HD and the content of the current C:-partition to this new SSD, so I can use the current 1st HD for other purposes. Ofcourse I can install Windows and all applications from scratch on the new SSD, but I prefer to clone the current Windows OS and the boot sector to this SSD. Can this be done? Which application do you advice? Can I make this SSD bootable? Thanks for your answers. Fokke Nauta I can think of a couple possibilities. 1) Macrium Reflect has a clone function. If it asks whether you want the MBR copied, the answer would be "yes", plus you want to clone the 97.7GB partition. I suppose it would also depend on whether you have a one-partition or two-partition Windows 7 installation. The two-partition kind, you must also copy the SYSTEM RESERVED (no drive letter) partition. 2) The alternative, is to simply use "dd" to do it. Which is the disk dump program available for Windows (as a port) and available for Linux. By booting a Linux LiveCD in this case, the other drives would be "not busy" and would be safe to clone by doing a "dd" sector by sector copy operation. I do stuff like this, for the fun of it :-) I'd try the Macrium first, because it's a bit easier on the brain. Both approaches use a boot CD. Macrium has a boot CD (or you could clone while still in Windows for that matter - Macrium uses VSS). Whereas, the Linux LiveCD is a boot CD, and the "dd" included with every copy could do the job. The "dd" method only makes good sense, if the partition(s) to be copied are at the very beginning of the disk. It's easier that way. sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1048576 count=100000 My command there, would copy the first 104,857,600,000 bytes, or slightly more than your 97.7GB. That's just a rough idea of how much to copy. You can use the information at your disposal, to figure out a more exact number if you want. All you need to make sure, is you don't snip the end off the 97.7GB partition by accident. I've done that once, with some careless math, and left behind around 5MB or something :-) It seemed funny at the time. When using dd, you can't be too careful with the math. ******* I'm surprised the PCIe SSD card didn't come with clone software. Why not check the installer CD, for a software solution ? Paul Thanks, Paul. The SSD card is not in my posession yet, I will collect it in the afternoon. But I'll first check for the availability of a clone tool. I do have a free copy of Macrium installed and use it for imaging the C:-partition every month (in case of an hd failure). I didn't see the cloning option. Perhaps I may need to purchase the full version in case there is no clone tool with the SSD card. I wasn't sure if this could be done, when comparing the different sector structures on an hd and a SSD. Fokke I would note that you don't necessarily need a clone tool, even though that IS what you want. You can use any image tool, make the image someplace (and that's the biggest question) and then swap drives and put the image back on the new drive. It's more steps but if you can't clone, you can "reimage". I like the clone personally, skips the "where do I store the image" question. Just trying to give you alternatives. I've used Acronis True Image to do a lot of my images and clones. I also found http://www.todo-backup.com/ EasUStodo Backup a very simple imaging tool. Not much to look at but it does whole drive backups nice. I have installed Macrium Reflect anyway, and also noticed the "Clone this disk" option. There was no software with the SSD card so I assume the new drive will be present after inserting the card. It all looks quite easy now ... |
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Did the mfr provide a clone disk tool? they do if Samsung SSD.
I bought the Samsung Kit $10 more). came with cable and CD to do the clone. THen just swapped in the SSD. |
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On 21/07/2014 19:15, OldGuy wrote:
Did the mfr provide a clone disk tool? they do if Samsung SSD. I bought the Samsung Kit $10 more). came with cable and CD to do the clone. THen just swapped in the SSD. No, it was a Plextor one. The only PCIe SSD card available in the online store. Didn't provide anything but the card itself. |
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pjp wrote:
In article , says... Did the mfr provide a clone disk tool? they do if Samsung SSD. I bought the Samsung Kit $10 more). came with cable and CD to do the clone. THen just swapped in the SSD. Well I just went thru this, twice. The first was a Kingston drive came with a copy of Acronis on disk to boot and clone with. The 2nd was a Samsung drive. It came with some software you had to install into a working Windows to clone the disk. I didn't think much of doing that so I used the first disk (Acronis) on that oner also. I'll also note the Kingston came with a mounting bracket (2.5 to 3.5), power adapter plug, data cable and even a nice enclosure to put drive in to do the cloning and afterwards to hold the old drive. The Samsung didn't even have any screws in it, cheap cheap cheap!!! Oh and Staples sells the Samsung but doesn't carry a converter to make it fit a 3.5 drive bay, argh! I had to "make" one out in the shop. The two product types are "retail" versus "OEM". The one with accessories was the "retail" one. Nobody bothers to print that info on the box for you. You need to read the "box contents" in the advert, to see how you're about to be screwed. Take the practice of selling ATX power supplies without a power cable. Hilarious, when you get the box open and find out it is not included. Or, say, USB only devices, without a USB cable (even a cheap, short, semi-functional cable). Some USB devices come with USB cables which must be replaced immediately due to error rate. The included cable is a kind of shoddy place-holder. If there's a scam to make a buck, someone will find it. Paul |
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In message , Fokke Nauta
writes On 21/07/2014 16:03, Big Al wrote: Fokke Nauta said on 7/21/2014 6:50 AM: On 21/07/2014 12:03, Paul wrote: Fokke Nauta wrote: Hi all, I have a pc with a C:-partition where Windows is installed (W7 32b, partition size 97.7 GB). This is the 1st partition on the 1st HD, which is bootable. I recently purchased a pcie SSD-card (128 GB) which I want to use for the Windows OS and which I want to be bootable. So I want to replace the bootsector from the 1st HD and the content of the current C:-partition to this new SSD, so I can use the current 1st HD for other purposes. Ofcourse I can install Windows and all applications from scratch on the new SSD, but I prefer to clone the current Windows OS and the boot sector to this SSD. Can this be done? Which application do you advice? Can I make this SSD bootable? Thanks for your answers. Fokke Nauta I can think of a couple possibilities. 1) Macrium Reflect has a clone function. If it asks whether you want the MBR copied, the answer would be "yes", plus you want to clone the 97.7GB partition. I suppose it would also depend on whether you have a one-partition or two-partition Windows 7 installation. The two-partition kind, you must also copy the SYSTEM RESERVED (no drive letter) partition. 2) The alternative, is to simply use "dd" to do it. Which is the disk dump program available for Windows (as a port) and available for Linux. By booting a Linux LiveCD in this case, the other drives would be "not busy" and would be safe to clone by doing a "dd" sector by sector copy operation. I do stuff like this, for the fun of it :-) I'd try the Macrium first, because it's a bit easier on the brain. Both approaches use a boot CD. Macrium has a boot CD (or you could clone while still in Windows for that matter - Macrium uses VSS). Whereas, the Linux LiveCD is a boot CD, and the "dd" included with every copy could do the job. The "dd" method only makes good sense, if the partition(s) to be copied are at the very beginning of the disk. It's easier that way. sudo dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1048576 count=100000 My command there, would copy the first 104,857,600,000 bytes, or slightly more than your 97.7GB. That's just a rough idea of how much to copy. You can use the information at your disposal, to figure out a more exact number if you want. All you need to make sure, is you don't snip the end off the 97.7GB partition by accident. I've done that once, with some careless math, and left behind around 5MB or something :-) It seemed funny at the time. When using dd, you can't be too careful with the math. ******* I'm surprised the PCIe SSD card didn't come with clone software. Why not check the installer CD, for a software solution ? Paul Thanks, Paul. The SSD card is not in my posession yet, I will collect it in the afternoon. But I'll first check for the availability of a clone tool. I do have a free copy of Macrium installed and use it for imaging the C:-partition every month (in case of an hd failure). I didn't see the cloning option. Perhaps I may need to purchase the full version in case there is no clone tool with the SSD card. I wasn't sure if this could be done, when comparing the different sector structures on an hd and a SSD. Fokke I would note that you don't necessarily need a clone tool, even though that IS what you want. You can use any image tool, make the image someplace (and that's the biggest question) and then swap drives and put the image back on the new drive. It's more steps but if you can't clone, you can "reimage". I like the clone personally, skips the "where do I store the image" question. Just trying to give you alternatives. I've used Acronis True Image to do a lot of my images and clones. I also found http://www.todo-backup.com/ EasUStodo Backup a very simple imaging tool. Not much to look at but it does whole drive backups nice. I have installed Macrium Reflect anyway, and also noticed the "Clone this disk" option. There was no software with the SSD card so I assume the new drive will be present after inserting the card. It all looks quite easy now ... I'm at this very moment using EaseUS Todo Backup Free to clone an XP C-drive to a larger and faster disk. It's not an SSD, but I think the screen had an option to 'Optimise for SSD' (I selected 'Clone sector by sector') - so presumably cloning programs do clone to SSDs OK. -- Ian |
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Paul wrote:
[...] If there's a scam to make a buck, someone will find it. Well, maybe it's my bad english or the fact that I'm getting old: I don't call "scam", I call it BETRAY! Yes, it's become difficult to get "informed" in this times ... Unlucky (in this manner), Peter |
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Fokke Nauta typed: Hi all, I have a pc with a C:-partition where Windows is installed (W7 32b, partition size 97.7 GB). This is the 1st partition on the 1st HD, which is bootable. I recently purchased a pcie SSD-card (128 GB) which I want to use for the Windows OS and which I want to be bootable. So I want to replace the bootsector from the 1st HD and the content of the current C:-partition to this new SSD, so I can use the current 1st HD for other purposes. Ofcourse I can install Windows and all applications from scratch on the new SSD, but I prefer to clone the current Windows OS and the boot sector to this SSD. Can this be done? Which application do you advice? Can I make this SSD bootable? Thanks for your answers. I don't know if you have cloned it or not yet (I did read the whole thread). But I have been taking most of my hard drive machines and converting them to SSD. Acronis 2011 failed (no surprise there), XXClone failed (huge surprise there, as it never failed from HD to HD yet). What worked flawlessly was Paragon Drive Copy. It got the drive alignment and everything right. I used it on a number of XP, 7, and 8 machines so far. They have both free and pay versions. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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On 21/07/2014 23:35, BillW50 wrote:
In , Fokke Nauta typed: Hi all, I have a pc with a C:-partition where Windows is installed (W7 32b, partition size 97.7 GB). This is the 1st partition on the 1st HD, which is bootable. I recently purchased a pcie SSD-card (128 GB) which I want to use for the Windows OS and which I want to be bootable. So I want to replace the bootsector from the 1st HD and the content of the current C:-partition to this new SSD, so I can use the current 1st HD for other purposes. Ofcourse I can install Windows and all applications from scratch on the new SSD, but I prefer to clone the current Windows OS and the boot sector to this SSD. Can this be done? Which application do you advice? Can I make this SSD bootable? Thanks for your answers. I don't know if you have cloned it or not yet (I did read the whole thread). But I have been taking most of my hard drive machines and converting them to SSD. Acronis 2011 failed (no surprise there), XXClone failed (huge surprise there, as it never failed from HD to HD yet). What worked flawlessly was Paragon Drive Copy. It got the drive alignment and everything right. I used it on a number of XP, 7, and 8 machines so far. They have both free and pay versions. Thanks. Haven't cloned it yet. I looked at Paragon drive copy but I saw only one version, Paragon drive copy 14 Pro for $ 40. I couldn't find a free version of Paragon drive copy. Drive alignment options are important, I assume. Perhaps I'll purchase that. |
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On 22/07/2014 09:18, Fokke Nauta wrote:
On 21/07/2014 23:35, BillW50 wrote: In , Fokke Nauta typed: Hi all, I have a pc with a C:-partition where Windows is installed (W7 32b, partition size 97.7 GB). This is the 1st partition on the 1st HD, which is bootable. I recently purchased a pcie SSD-card (128 GB) which I want to use for the Windows OS and which I want to be bootable. So I want to replace the bootsector from the 1st HD and the content of the current C:-partition to this new SSD, so I can use the current 1st HD for other purposes. Ofcourse I can install Windows and all applications from scratch on the new SSD, but I prefer to clone the current Windows OS and the boot sector to this SSD. Can this be done? Which application do you advice? Can I make this SSD bootable? Thanks for your answers. I don't know if you have cloned it or not yet (I did read the whole thread). But I have been taking most of my hard drive machines and converting them to SSD. Acronis 2011 failed (no surprise there), XXClone failed (huge surprise there, as it never failed from HD to HD yet). What worked flawlessly was Paragon Drive Copy. It got the drive alignment and everything right. I used it on a number of XP, 7, and 8 machines so far. They have both free and pay versions. Thanks. Haven't cloned it yet. I looked at Paragon drive copy but I saw only one version, Paragon drive copy 14 Pro for $ 40. I couldn't find a free version of Paragon drive copy. Drive alignment options are important, I assume. Perhaps I'll purchase that. I found Paragon Migrate OS to SSD 4.0 which costs only $ 20. I bought it. That'll do the trick. |
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