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Old March 30th 18, 03:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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This is probably paywalled. Someone sent me a copy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/t...ogy/microsoft-
reorganizes-to-fuel-cloud-and-ai-businesses.html?
hpw&rref=technology&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&m odule=we
ll-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

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Old March 30th 18, 06:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jason wrote:
This is probably paywalled. Someone sent me a copy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/t...ogy/microsoft-
reorganizes-to-fuel-cloud-and-ai-businesses.html?
hpw&rref=technology&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&m odule=we
ll-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well


As corporate announcements go, this is a "nothing-burger".

Call me when they run out of cash :-)

They've known for a long time that they
"need to do something".

Todays announcement still doesn't indicate they
know what the "something" is. If all the income they
had was from the Cloud business, the only consequence
would be that the company would be a lot smaller.

*******

They don't think at all, like conventional companies.

Some companies, when faced with under-performing units,
do a stock split, and cut the company in two pieces.
They could put "Windows+Office" in one half, and
"Cloud+Skype+LinkedIN+social_networking_platform " in
a second half. And a shareholder would get X shares
of the first company and Y shares of the second company.
HP has done that sort of thing in the past, as an example.
What happens then, is the value of the shares of "Y" shoots
up, with a resulting market cap to match. As a shareholder, if
you don't think your shares of "X" have any value, you
sell them immediately before the bottom drops out.

That would end up giving us copies of Windows 11 for
$150 a box (as the "new" company would have to charge
for the OS to stay solvent).

Paul
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Old March 30th 18, 09:12 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Paul" wrote in message news
Some companies, when faced with under-performing units,
do a stock split, and cut the company in two pieces.


Nope.

Which company did that ?

Stock splits don't cut a company into pieces.
A stock split issues new or reduces shares by a ratio(greater or less than
1) of the same company
for a shareholder(s) in proportion to the ratio of the split.


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Old March 30th 18, 11:37 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 30/3/2018 10:25, Jason wrote: This is probably paywalled. Someone
sent me a copy.

Fixing your broken link by wrapping it wiht "" and ""!

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/technology/microsoft-reorganizes-to-fuel-cloud-and-ai-businesses.html?hpw&rref=technology&action=click&p gtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well



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Old March 30th 18, 12:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Jason" wrote

| This is probably paywalled. Someone sent me a copy.
|
| https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/t...ogy/microsoft-
| reorganizes-to-fuel-cloud-and-ai-businesses.html

Worked for me with cookies enabled. NYT is an interesting
example of how few people know anything about how to use
their computer. I think they allow something like 6 articles
before sending you to the signup page. And it never occurs to
anyone to delete their cookies before going to article #7.

I read that article as a typical press release. It's not
really an article. The salespeople at the company write
it. A company like the NYT will run it because 1) it's
a pro-business ad and they run all the pro-business
"news", whether it's fit to print or not. They want
Microsoft ad dollars. 2) It's pre-digested journalism, which
saves them money. The NYT fills 1/4 of a page and all
they have to do is maybe make some minor edits and
sign a reporter's name to it.
(I remember reading a number of years ago that a study
had found 52% of news articles are actually just ads
written as press releases.)

As Paul said, a nothing burger, or a periodic excretion
from Redmond to keep Microsoft in the news with a
good image.

The reporter obviously knows nothing. I wouldn't
be surprised if he never even read the article. He's
a big shot who puts his name on things. The editor
was probably some underpaid college student.

It goes on about how successful cloud has been
and then says, "Microsoft has successfully rewritten
its popular Office productivity products as web-based
applications running on the cloud."

They're successfully selling it. (To my surprise.)
But it's not cloud by any stretch. It's locally installed
spyware with Web storage included. An interesting
twist on that:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03...ve_langua ge/

Microsoft have changed their "services agreement"
to give them authority to police their services for
anything that might offend someone. They may have
done it for good reason, following the legal change
that allows websites to be punished for content.
(See the Backpage, prostitution discussion in the news.)
But whatever their motive, it's a glaring example of
what people give up with cloud. All your data are
belong to them. And the US Congress want it that way.

So if you use Libre Office or buy an office suite, you
can write what you want and embed nude pictures to
your lover. If you do it on Office 365 it's no longer only
your document. Microsoft co-owns it and may revoke
your access to their products altogether if someone
complains about what you wrote!


I think the press release "takeaway" is something like:
"We're pushing on with Windows as a service, by
hook or by crook. (Mostly by crook.... Watch out for
those Windows Mail links going to Edge, you suckers.)
And, you know... we need to come up with an Alexa
competitor. This AI-ordering-pizza stuff looks like it
might really take off."

Maybe it's not all bleak. I look forward to the new
teen hobby of getting an Alexa tower and a Cortana
box to enter into nasty catfights. It could be a new
craze in party entertainment. And if Alexa can get
Cortana to call her a whore then Cortana might be
banned from MS services for "misdemeanor MeToo
infringement", assuming Alexa can prove that the
insult forced her into psychotherapy.




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Old March 30th 18, 12:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:


It goes on about how successful cloud has been
and then says, "Microsoft has successfully rewritten
its popular Office productivity products as web-based
applications running on the cloud."

They're successfully selling it. (To my surprise.)
But it's not cloud by any stretch. It's locally installed
spyware with Web storage included. An interesting
twist on that:


I thought there was some web page you could go
to, to design an Office document ? I haven't tried
it, and just remembered it exists. The page says this
is "free", whatever that means. Does it use watermarks ?
Does it insist on OneDrive (and an MSA) ? Dunno.

https://products.office.com/en-ca/of...-office-online

Paul
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Old March 30th 18, 01:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"Paul" wrote

| I thought there was some web page you could go
| to, to design an Office document ? I haven't tried
| it, and just remembered it exists. The page says this
| is "free", whatever that means. Does it use watermarks ?
| Does it insist on OneDrive (and an MSA) ? Dunno.
|
|
https://products.office.com/en-ca/of...-office-online
|

I'm not going to allow microsoft.com to run script in
my browser, in order to find out what that page is
about. I assume it's an entry into their trial scam:
You give them personal information, create a Microsoft
account, give them a credit card number, and
basically you've bought into Office 365. The first 3
months are free. After that you have to remember
to cancel it or they start charging your credit card.

They did a similar thing on OEM computers for
a long time, along with Symantec. Remember that?
Stickers on the computers would announce that they
came with Office and/or Norton, but it was actually
just a trial.


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Old March 30th 18, 02:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:10:39 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Jason wrote:
This is probably paywalled. Someone sent me a copy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/29/t...ogy/microsoft-
reorganizes-to-fuel-cloud-and-ai-businesses.html?
hpw&rref=technology&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&m odule=we
ll-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well


As corporate announcements go, this is a "nothing-burger".

Call me when they run out of cash :-)

They've known for a long time that they
"need to do something".

Todays announcement still doesn't indicate they
know what the "something" is. If all the income they
had was from the Cloud business, the only consequence
would be that the company would be a lot smaller.

*******

They don't think at all, like conventional companies.

Some companies, when faced with under-performing units,
do a stock split, and cut the company in two pieces.
They could put "Windows+Office" in one half, and
"Cloud+Skype+LinkedIN+social_networking_platform " in
a second half. And a shareholder would get X shares
of the first company and Y shares of the second company.
HP has done that sort of thing in the past, as an example.
What happens then, is the value of the shares of "Y" shoots
up, with a resulting market cap to match. As a shareholder, if
you don't think your shares of "X" have any value, you
sell them immediately before the bottom drops out.

That would end up giving us copies of Windows 11 for
$150 a box (as the "new" company would have to charge
for the OS to stay solvent).

Paul


"Stock Split" already means something else on Wall Street. But yeah
reorganization and spinning off "under performing" assets, is one
thing corporations do to protect the stock price.

If they use the OS to funnel consumers into their cloud, they may
still continue "developing" the OS, but may be selling it as
purchasing on-line storage as a package.

Privacy? fuggetaboutit
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Old March 30th 18, 04:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 30 Mar 2018 08:12:00 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Paul" wrote

| I thought there was some web page you could go
| to, to design an Office document ? I haven't tried
| it, and just remembered it exists. The page says this
| is "free", whatever that means. Does it use watermarks ?
| Does it insist on OneDrive (and an MSA) ? Dunno.
|
|
https://products.office.com/en-ca/of...-office-online
|

I'm not going to allow microsoft.com to run script in
my browser, in order to find out what that page is
about. I assume it's an entry into their trial scam:
You give them personal information, create a Microsoft
account, give them a credit card number, and
basically you've bought into Office 365. The first 3
months are free. After that you have to remember
to cancel it or they start charging your credit card.

They did a similar thing on OEM computers for
a long time, along with Symantec. Remember that?
Stickers on the computers would announce that they
came with Office and/or Norton, but it was actually
just a trial.

Can't be repeated too often: Thar ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

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Old March 30th 18, 04:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 03/30/2018 10:07 AM, BillH wrote:

[snip]

Can't be repeated too often: Thar ain't no such thing as a free lunch.


I would also consider that if they're giving you something, there is NO
NEED for a credit card number.

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Old March 30th 18, 09:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

| I thought there was some web page you could go
| to, to design an Office document ? I haven't tried
| it, and just remembered it exists. The page says this
| is "free", whatever that means. Does it use watermarks ?
| Does it insist on OneDrive (and an MSA) ? Dunno.
|
|
https://products.office.com/en-ca/of...-office-online
|

I'm not going to allow microsoft.com to run script in
my browser, in order to find out what that page is
about. I assume it's an entry into their trial scam:
You give them personal information, create a Microsoft
account, give them a credit card number, and
basically you've bought into Office 365. The first 3
months are free. After that you have to remember
to cancel it or they start charging your credit card.

They did a similar thing on OEM computers for
a long time, along with Symantec. Remember that?
Stickers on the computers would announce that they
came with Office and/or Norton, but it was actually
just a trial.


There's no credit card.

A session worked in Firefox. My test session looked like a
copy of Word with a ribbon bar at the top.

It asked for my MSA, to login and start the session. It
needs to open my OneDrive, before we can begin. It salts
a Document.docx in my OneDrive, so there will be an assurance
of something to edit.

You cannot just download the freshly created document to your
disk, without a copy being kept on OneDrive. I did download
my new document to disk, and it was 39KB.

You can "delete" the file on OneDrive, but it probably sits
in your trash can for 30 days before "being hidden from you",
while the actual document stays on OneDrive... forever.

You will receive a prompt for a Skype Chat. I didn't answer
that, to see if it's yet another boring bot. Chances are my
Skype status was "online" for as long as I was using that
crap. There was a Word tab in Firefox, plus a OneDrive tab.
You can see the saved document in the OneDrive "drive contents"
representation, but, because the file is "open in Word" in
the other tab, now you cannot delete it. You'll need to visit
OneDrive when the Word tab is closed, to delete the file.
If you use the "Signout" button in the Word tab, it closes
the OneDrive tab next to it. Not exactly a friendly interface
for Grandma (too much head-scratching causes hair loss).

On your re-opening of the file, you'll receive an advert for
the paid version.

Did I mention if was FREE (and comes with its own handcuffs).
Houdini would love it.

Yeah, I could see me running my business out of that now.
It feels so so... I don't know... private. I felt so warm
and fuzzy, I put more cat pictures on my Facebook page :-/

Paul
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Old March 30th 18, 09:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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It's about time!
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Old March 30th 18, 11:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-03-30 04:12, ...w癒簽禮簣瞻簽 wrote:
"Paul"* wrote in message news
Some companies, when faced with under-performing units,
do a stock split, and cut the company in two pieces.


Nope.

Which company did that ?

Stock splits don't cut a company into pieces.
A stock split issues new or reduces shares by a ratio(greater or less
than 1)* of the same company
for a shareholder(s) in proportion to the ratio of the split.


Technically correct. However, it's quite clear from the context that
Paul intended "reorganization".

When your understanding of a word's meaning doesn't seem to make sense,
parse the context. That's what lexicographers do when they create or
revise dictionaries. The dictionary merely lists the meaning(s) of the
word as used in its usual contexts.

Best,

'Reorganization' would also be incorrect though marginally closer to the
point if the context parsing was stretched beyond normal.

Paul's point more accurately describes 'Spin-Off and Divestiture' -
neither of which always correlates or equates to reorganization in the
parent company performing the action.

Feel free to check Webster if that's your go-to source/reference for
applicable financial terminology.

In this case though - Reorganization at MSFT would not apply to either
of the above terms(Split, Spin-Off, Divestiture) thus an invalid analogy.


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Old March 31st 18, 02:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/30/2018 1:14 PM, Paul wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

| I thought there was some web page you could go
| to, to design an Office document ? I haven't tried
| it, and just remembered it exists. The page says this
| is "free", whatever that means. Does it use watermarks ?
| Does it insist on OneDrive (and an MSA) ? Dunno.
|
|
https://products.office.com/en-ca/of...-office-online

|

I'm not going to allow microsoft.com to run script in
my browser, in order to find out what that page is
about. I assume it's an entry into their trial scam:
You give them personal information, create a Microsoft
account, give them a credit card number, and
basically you've bought into Office 365. The first 3
months are free. After that you have to remember
to cancel it or they start charging your credit card.

They did a similar thing on OEM computers for
a long time, along with Symantec. Remember that?
Stickers on the computers would announce that they
came with Office and/or Norton, but it was actually
just a trial.


There's no credit card.

A session worked in Firefox. My test session looked like a
copy of Word with a ribbon bar at the top.

It asked for my MSA, to login and start the session. It
needs to open my OneDrive, before we can begin. It salts
a Document.docx in my OneDrive, so there will be an assurance
of something to edit.


That's a significant benefit to MS. .docx means that everybody
to whom you send the document has to have a recent version of
MSOFFICE. Since .docx, people like me using the perfectly
adequate Office 2000, will be motivated to purchase newer
versions or rent office365. Yes, I think you can load the
compatibility pack and at least read .docx, but that's not
what most people will know how to do. If you double-click
a .docx file, the error message is much more likely to lead
you to a page to buy something rather than a download of
compatibility pack.

This is another missed opportunity for open-source.
A little more concession to FULL compatibility and user wants
and some advertising might drive a wedge.

Aside...
What's the proper grammar in situations where the first letter
of a sentence requires capitalization, but the initial
word demands punctuation and/or lower case?

You cannot just download the freshly created document to your
disk, without a copy being kept on OneDrive. I did download
my new document to disk, and it was 39KB.

You can "delete" the file on OneDrive, but it probably sits
in your trash can for 30 days before "being hidden from you",
while the actual document stays on OneDrive... forever.


Do we know anything about archived history? Can you save the file
locally, then edit the online version to something completely different?
Sounds like a browser add-on opportunity.

BUT

If you don't have local office, what are you gonna do with a
local copy of a .docx file?


You will receive a prompt for a Skype Chat. I didn't answer
that, to see if it's yet another boring bot. Chances are my
Skype status was "online" for as long as I was using that
crap. There was a Word tab in Firefox, plus a OneDrive tab.
You can see the saved document in the OneDrive "drive contents"
representation, but, because the file is "open in Word" in
the other tab, now you cannot delete it. You'll need to visit
OneDrive when the Word tab is closed, to delete the file.
If you use the "Signout" button in the Word tab, it closes
the OneDrive tab next to it. Not exactly a friendly interface
for Grandma (too much head-scratching causes hair loss).

On your re-opening of the file, you'll receive an advert for
the paid version.

Did I mention if was FREE (and comes with its own handcuffs).
Houdini would love it.

Yeah, I could see me running my business out of that now.
It feels so so... I don't know... private. I felt so warm
and fuzzy, I put more cat pictures on my Facebook page :-/

Paul


 




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