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Old January 26th 18, 05:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all going to
be via OneDrive. For years, we've had several devices networked just fine
with a Homegroup: PC's, TV's and other random experimets of mine. From
what I've read about OD, it's not clear that I can achieve that simple
sort of networking setup. I have zero interest in storing anything in the
MS cloud. Homegroup networking wasn't without problems, but it was simple
and adequate. Can OD be as simple?

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Old January 26th 18, 05:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 26/01/2018 04:03, Jason wrote:
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all going to


Yes Linux users knew sometime ago that after Windows 10 there is no more
Windows and people would have to start learning Linux.

Have you started yet old man? You better do before you die.

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Old January 26th 18, 06:08 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Jason wrote:
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all going to
be via OneDrive. For years, we've had several devices networked just fine
with a Homegroup: PC's, TV's and other random experimets of mine. From
what I've read about OD, it's not clear that I can achieve that simple
sort of networking setup. I have zero interest in storing anything in the
MS cloud. Homegroup networking wasn't without problems, but it was simple
and adequate. Can OD be as simple?


This is what WORKGROUP sharing is for.

I can still manage to coax some configs to work. I'm still able
to talk to a WinXP machine (only possible via SMB1, not
SMB2 or SMB3).

If that were ever to fail, I have IIS FTP enabled on the
Win10 machine, and I have done an 80GB transfer to it
at full rate. Using a tick box, most of the time
it stays turned off. But if I'm running my old
Mac G4, that's how I can network to the rest of the
room. Regular sharing doesn't work, because the
code on the G4 is so old. The fastest I/O spigot
on the old Mac, is the GbE NIC, which is why
that's a preferred method. USB 1.1 just doesn't
cut it.

Paul
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Old January 26th 18, 10:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Gary Dingle[_2_]
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 04:56:34 +0000, Good Guy
wrote:

On 26/01/2018 04:03, Jason wrote:
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all going to


Yes Linux users knew sometime ago that after Windows 10 there is no more
Windows and people would have to start learning Linux.

Have you started yet old man? You better do before you die.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/doomsday-clock-signalling-how-close-earth-is-to-apocalypse-ticks-closer-to-midnight-a3749931.html




"the prick" opens it's mouth again!
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Old January 26th 18, 11:05 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jason wrote:
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all going to
be via OneDrive. For years, we've had several devices networked just fine
with a Homegroup: PC's, TV's and other random experimets of mine. From
what I've read about OD, it's not clear that I can achieve that simple
sort of networking setup. I have zero interest in storing anything in the
MS cloud. Homegroup networking wasn't without problems, but it was simple
and adequate. Can OD be as simple?


The statement of ditching HomeGroup and all going to be OneDrive is not
accurate.

The deprecation of HomeGroup for networking is not related to OneDrive.
- OneDrive is a cloud based storage app not a device networking feature

The same method of device networking that is available now and also existed
prior to HomeGroup's inclusion in Windows(Windows 7) will apply after
HomeGroup functionality and support ends.

HomeGroup will be removed in the next Windows feature update, Version
1803(aka Redstone 4), which will be released later this year(current est.
March 2018).

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Old January 26th 18, 12:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike Swift
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In article , ...w񧱤
writes
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all going to
be via OneDrive. For years, we've had several devices networked just fine
with a Homegroup: PC's, TV's and other random experimets of mine. From
what I've read about OD, it's not clear that I can achieve that simple
sort of networking setup. I have zero interest in storing anything in the
MS cloud. Homegroup networking wasn't without problems, but it was simple
and adequate. Can OD be as simple?


The statement of ditching HomeGroup and all going to be OneDrive is not
accurate.

The deprecation of HomeGroup for networking is not related to OneDrive.
- OneDrive is a cloud based storage app not a device networking feature


I seem to have set up a network without HomeGroup, I haven't a clue how.

Desktop upstairs connected to router via wifi, laptop down stairs
similar, we can transfer files too and from both and the laptop can use
the desktop connected printer, that's all we need.

Mike

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Old January 26th 18, 01:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Keith Nuttle
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On 1/26/2018 6:50 AM, Mike Swift wrote:
In article , ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
writes
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all
going to
be via OneDrive. For years, we've had several devices networked just
fine
with a Homegroup: PC's, TV's and other random experimets of mine. From
what I've read about OD, it's not clear that I can achieve that simple
sort of networking setup. I have zero interest in storing anything in
the
MS cloud. Homegroup networking wasn't without problems, but it was
simple
and adequate. Can OD be as simple?


The statement of ditching HomeGroup and all going to be OneDrive is not
accurate.

The deprecation of HomeGroup for networking is not related to OneDrive.
- OneDrive is a cloud based storage app not a device networking feature


I seem to have set up a network without HomeGroup, I haven't a clue how.

Desktop upstairs connected to router via wifi, laptop down stairs
similar, we can transfer files too and from both and the laptop can use
the desktop connected printer, that's all we need.

Mike

I have never gotten the Homegroup to work. However all three of my
computers are connected though a wireless/wired LAN. On each machine I
shared all of the drives that I wanted to access through the LAN. and
then map network drive on each computer to the drives on the other
computers. I understand this task would expand with every computer you
put into the system.
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Old January 26th 18, 01:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Keith Nuttle
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On 1/26/2018 5:05 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Jason wrote:
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all
going to
be via OneDrive. For years, we've had several devices networked just fine
with a Homegroup: PC's, TV's and other random experimets of mine. From
what I've read about OD, it's not clear that I can achieve that simple
sort of networking setup. I have zero interest in storing anything in the
MS cloud. Homegroup networking wasn't without problems, but it was simple
and adequate. Can OD be as simple?


The statement of ditching HomeGroup and all going to be OneDrive is not
accurate.

The deprecation of HomeGroup for networking is not related to OneDrive.
- OneDrive is a cloud based storage app not a device networking feature

The same method of device networking that is available now and also
existed prior to HomeGroup's inclusion in Windows(Windows 7) will apply
after HomeGroup functionality and support ends.

HomeGroup will be removed in the next Windows feature update, Version
1803(aka Redstone 4), which will be released later this year(current
est. March 2018).

I really needed to know that 1803 will be release later this year. I
started trying to install 1703 on my tablet when it came out while
updating my other two computers. I just finally succeeded within the
last week . If it goes as 1703, I should have it installed on all
three computers in a year.

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Old January 26th 18, 02:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/26/2018 5:05 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
Jason wrote:
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all
going to
be via OneDrive. For years, we've had several devices networked just
fine
with a Homegroup: PC's, TV's and other random experimets of mine. From
what I've read about OD, it's not clear that I can achieve that simple
sort of networking setup. I have zero interest in storing anything in
the
MS cloud. Homegroup networking wasn't without problems, but it was
simple
and adequate. Can OD be as simple?


The statement of ditching HomeGroup and all going to be OneDrive is
not accurate.

The deprecation of HomeGroup for networking is not related to OneDrive.
- OneDrive is a cloud based storage app not a device networking feature

The same method of device networking that is available now and also
existed prior to HomeGroup's inclusion in Windows(Windows 7) will
apply after HomeGroup functionality and support ends.

HomeGroup will be removed in the next Windows feature update, Version
1803(aka Redstone 4), which will be released later this year(current
est. March 2018).

I really needed to know that 1803 will be release later this year. I
started trying to install 1703 on my tablet when it came out while
updating my other two computers. I just finally succeeded within the
last week . If it goes as 1703, I should have it installed on all
three computers in a year.


I jam these in with a downloaded DVD and it's "same day service".
And you hear a "whoosh" as Window.old goes out the window, using
cleanmgr.exe.

If people will backup their systems first, you can use a hammer
on this stuff. If it doesn't go well, restore from backup. There's
no need to be "timid" and wait 3 months for Windows Update to
deliver it.

And my installs are still using a two year old video driver,
as my video card is "out of support". Still works. One of these
days, my luck will run out :-) You can't stop "progress".

Paul
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Old January 26th 18, 02:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mr. Man-wai Chang
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On 26/1/2018 12:03, Jason wrote:
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all going to
be via OneDrive. For years, we've had several devices networked just fine
with a Homegroup: PC's, TV's and other random experimets of mine. From
what I've read about OD, it's not clear that I can achieve that simple
sort of networking setup. I have zero interest in storing anything in the
MS cloud. Homegroup networking wasn't without problems, but it was simple
and adequate. Can OD be as simple?


I always disable all HomeGroup services and use good old workgroup
networking.

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Old January 26th 18, 03:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Char Jackson
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 21:59:46 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote:

On 26/1/2018 12:03, Jason wrote:
I read that MS is going to ditch Homegroup networking so it's all going to
be via OneDrive. For years, we've had several devices networked just fine
with a Homegroup: PC's, TV's and other random experimets of mine. From
what I've read about OD, it's not clear that I can achieve that simple
sort of networking setup. I have zero interest in storing anything in the
MS cloud. Homegroup networking wasn't without problems, but it was simple
and adequate. Can OD be as simple?


I always disable all HomeGroup services and use good old workgroup
networking.


I don't disable anything. I ignore both Homegroups and Workgroups, and
simply use IP addresses.

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Old January 26th 18, 03:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mr. Man-wai Chang
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On 26/1/2018 22:48, Char Jackson wrote:

I don't disable anything. I ignore both Homegroups and Workgroups, and
simply use IP addresses.


You really should disable unused services. Anyway....

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Old January 26th 18, 04:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2018 22:51:46 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
wrote:

On 26/1/2018 22:48, Char Jackson wrote:

I don't disable anything. I ignore both Homegroups and Workgroups, and
simply use IP addresses.


You really should disable unused services. Anyway....


I can't remember if you posted in that recent thread I created about Windows
10 networking being broken again? Zaghadka pointed out that every time
Windows 10 upgrades itself it re-enables all those Homegroup services which
often cause computers to disappear from the network even if you don't use
homegroups. It's a pain in the ass.

Char mentioned he doesn't care if he sees the computer names in network
settings.
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Old January 26th 18, 04:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/26/2018 08:48 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

[snip]

I don't disable anything. I ignore both Homegroups and Workgroups, and
simply use IP addresses.


I never used Homegroup. I've been networking computers for years before
there was such a thing and saw no need for the extra complexity.

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Old January 26th 18, 05:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mr. Man-wai Chang
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On 26/1/2018 23:29, EGK wrote:

I can't remember if you posted in that recent thread I created about Windows
10 networking being broken again? Zaghadka pointed out that every time
Windows 10 upgrades itself it re-enables all those Homegroup services which
often cause computers to disappear from the network even if you don't use
homegroups. It's a pain in the ass.


I cannot confirm nor deny this behavior, BUT I don't remember seeing
Homegroup being re-enabled after an upgrade or update. I usually disable
all Homegroup-related services right after installation of Win 10 via
USB, before applying cumulative upgrade.

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