Wanted dual boot - I think?

Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added a new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the data I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and use it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed me to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2 drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to go to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate from the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

"rogert" wrote in message =
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added =
a new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep =
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the =
data I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and =
use it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed =
me to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2 =
drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff =
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I =
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's =
kinda
all in the same "mess"

Well, if you haven't stuffed it up yet, you can do this easily. First, =
be sure that your setup when in Windows can see the whole 160gigs of =
drive space. With the new WD hard drive, you should have gotten a utlity =
disk with it, which will allow you to fromrat, make partitions, and copy =
directly over the system onto the new drive from the old.=20

Take your new drive, set it as slave, then boot with thw WD disk, format =
the drive, aprtition (i would recommend that even if you want it whole). =
Then copy over the entire system. Then switch the drive as master and =
slave and boot from it. Now you can use the new drive as you want, and =
do what you want with the older, now slave drive.

My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to =
go to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the =
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate =
from the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

Unfortunately, you cannot do this, as only one drive can be the boot =
drive and primary (you can make the other one a boot drive, but it will =
be secondary, until you change the jumpers). You can have only one at a =
time, short of modifying the jumpers with a switch that would allow you =
to switch back and forth, without having to open the case, and switch =
jumpers. It simply cannot be setup the way you want as having two =
primary drive with the system boot configuration on them, short of my =
suggestion above, or doing a dual-boot, which will not serve your =
purpose.=20

Do a google search for switches made for making an easy way to make =
separate drives primary boot devices.

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the data I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and use it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed me to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2 drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.

"Pegasus" wrote in message =
...
=20
"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I =
added a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep =
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the =
data I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and =
use it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed =
me to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2 =
drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted =
stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now =
it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to =
go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot =
from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in =
the end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate =
from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.


=20
If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.
=20
This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.
=20
Post again if you require more details.

If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you =
suggest cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch =
back and forth making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master =
to secondary/slave as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion =
won't work, as the jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive =
to load up. Yes, you can make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary =
partiton, so to speak, with their own boot loaders), but the physical =
setup inside the tower needs to be changed from master to slave, adn =
vice-versa for that to work in his case, meaning, changed the jumpers. I =
am fairly sure, that one can make a jumper switch for their box on the =
outside that would do such a thing.

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the data I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and use
it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed me
to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2 drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.

If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you suggest
cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch back and forth
making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master to secondary/slave
as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion won't work, as the
jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive to load up. Yes, you can
make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary partiton, so to speak, with
their own boot loaders), but the physical setup inside the tower needs to be
changed from master to slave, adn vice-versa for that to work in his case,
meaning, changed the jumpers. I am fairly sure, that one can make a jumper
switch for their box on the outside that would do such a thing.
===============
XOSL has the capability of switching drives on the fly, without modifying
the master/slave jumpers. When the OP selects disk 1 as his boot drive then
the machine will boot off disk 1, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 2
will appear as drive D:. When he selects disk 2 as his boot drive then the
machine will boot off disk 2, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 1 will
now appear as drive D:.

Whether this is exactly what the OP wants, I do not know. His post was not
very clear in this regard.

"Pegasus" wrote in message =
...
=20
"Tom" wrote in message
...
=20
"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I =
added a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to =
keep
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the =
data I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and =
use
it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed =
me
to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2 =
drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted =
stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now =
it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever =
to go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot =
from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in =
the
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate =
from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.
=20
If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you =
suggest
cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch back and =
forth
making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master to =
secondary/slave
as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion won't work, as =
the
jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive to load up. Yes, =
you can
make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary partiton, so to speak, =
with
their own boot loaders), but the physical setup inside the tower needs =
to be
changed from master to slave, adn vice-versa for that to work in his =
case,
meaning, changed the jumpers. I am fairly sure, that one can make a =
jumper
switch for their box on the outside that would do such a thing.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
XOSL has the capability of switching drives on the fly, without =
modifying
the master/slave jumpers. When the OP selects disk 1 as his boot drive =
then
the machine will boot off disk 1, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk =
2
will appear as drive D:. When he selects disk 2 as his boot drive then =
the
machine will boot off disk 2, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 1 =
will
now appear as drive D:.

But that will not work if the BIOS sees those drives as =
Primary(master)/Secondary(slave), and the BIOS needs to set one as the =
primary device from the IDE/SATA controller. The BIOS will not recognize =
two primary drives to load, unless there is a MOBO that does that. I =
tried doing that with my previous PC, and tried setting up both a boot =
devices. Yes, I made them both boot devices, but the the BIOS when it =
posted would only take one as the boot device. Otherwise, I would get an =
error that there was no OS to load because i didn't have the jumpers set =
properly. Now, whether there is a IDE/SATA controller card for a PCI =
slot that will do this, I don't know, but there are such controller =
cards.

Any boot loader will do what you say, but not as Master/Slave setting in =
the BIOS connected to the controllers on the MOBO itself, AFAIK.

Whether this is exactly what the OP wants, I do not know. His post was =
not
very clear in this regard.

I agree, he was not clear at all.

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the data
I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and use
it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed me
to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2 drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.

If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you
suggest
cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch back and
forth
making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master to
secondary/slave
as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion won't work, as the
jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive to load up. Yes, you
can
make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary partiton, so to speak, with
their own boot loaders), but the physical setup inside the tower needs to
be
changed from master to slave, adn vice-versa for that to work in his case,
meaning, changed the jumpers. I am fairly sure, that one can make a jumper
switch for their box on the outside that would do such a thing.
===============
XOSL has the capability of switching drives on the fly, without modifying
the master/slave jumpers. When the OP selects disk 1 as his boot drive
then
the machine will boot off disk 1, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 2
will appear as drive D:. When he selects disk 2 as his boot drive then the
machine will boot off disk 2, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 1 will
now appear as drive D:.

But that will not work if the BIOS sees those drives as
Primary(master)/Secondary(slave), and the BIOS needs to set one as the
primary device from the IDE/SATA controller. The BIOS will not recognize two
primary drives to load, unless there is a MOBO that does that. I tried doing
that with my previous PC, and tried setting up both a boot devices. Yes, I
made them both boot devices, but the the BIOS when it posted would only take
one as the boot device. Otherwise, I would get an error that there was no OS
to load because i didn't have the jumpers set properly. Now, whether there
is a IDE/SATA controller card for a PCI slot that will do this, I don't
know, but there are such controller cards.

Any boot loader will do what you say, but not as Master/Slave setting in the
BIOS connected to the controllers on the MOBO itself, AFAIK.

Whether this is exactly what the OP wants, I do not know. His post was not
very clear in this regard.

I agree, he was not clear at all.
========================
I tested my proposed configuration with the two disks connected as primary
master/primary slave. XOSL does not care whether a given disk is a master or
a slave. If you include a given partition in its menu then it will boot from
it. XOSL even allows you to boot into a logical drive!

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the data
I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and use
it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed me
to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2 drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.

If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you
suggest
cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch back and
forth
making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master to
secondary/slave
as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion won't work, as the
jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive to load up. Yes, you
can
make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary partiton, so to speak, with
their own boot loaders), but the physical setup inside the tower needs to
be
changed from master to slave, adn vice-versa for that to work in his case,
meaning, changed the jumpers. I am fairly sure, that one can make a jumper
switch for their box on the outside that would do such a thing.
===============
XOSL has the capability of switching drives on the fly, without modifying
the master/slave jumpers. When the OP selects disk 1 as his boot drive
then
the machine will boot off disk 1, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 2
will appear as drive D:. When he selects disk 2 as his boot drive then the
machine will boot off disk 2, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 1 will
now appear as drive D:.

But that will not work if the BIOS sees those drives as
Primary(master)/Secondary(slave), and the BIOS needs to set one as the
primary device from the IDE/SATA controller. The BIOS will not recognize two
primary drives to load, unless there is a MOBO that does that. I tried doing
that with my previous PC, and tried setting up both a boot devices. Yes, I
made them both boot devices, but the the BIOS when it posted would only take
one as the boot device. Otherwise, I would get an error that there was no OS
to load because i didn't have the jumpers set properly. Now, whether there
is a IDE/SATA controller card for a PCI slot that will do this, I don't
know, but there are such controller cards.

Any boot loader will do what you say, but not as Master/Slave setting in the
BIOS connected to the controllers on the MOBO itself, AFAIK.

Whether this is exactly what the OP wants, I do not know. His post was not
very clear in this regard.

I agree, he was not clear at all.
========================
I tested my proposed configuration with the two disks connected as primary
master/primary slave. XOSL does not care whether a given disk is a master or
a slave. If you include a given partition in its menu then it will boot from
it. XOSL even allows you to boot into a logical drive!

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added
a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the
data
I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and
use
it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed
me
to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2
drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to
go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot
from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate
from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.

If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you
suggest
cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch back and
forth
making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master to
secondary/slave
as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion won't work, as the
jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive to load up. Yes, you
can
make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary partiton, so to speak,
with
their own boot loaders), but the physical setup inside the tower needs
to
be
changed from master to slave, adn vice-versa for that to work in his
case,
meaning, changed the jumpers. I am fairly sure, that one can make a
jumper
switch for their box on the outside that would do such a thing.
===============
XOSL has the capability of switching drives on the fly, without
modifying
the master/slave jumpers. When the OP selects disk 1 as his boot drive
then
the machine will boot off disk 1, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 2
will appear as drive D:. When he selects disk 2 as his boot drive then
the
machine will boot off disk 2, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 1
will
now appear as drive D:.

But that will not work if the BIOS sees those drives as
Primary(master)/Secondary(slave), and the BIOS needs to set one as the
primary device from the IDE/SATA controller. The BIOS will not recognize
two
primary drives to load, unless there is a MOBO that does that. I tried
doing
that with my previous PC, and tried setting up both a boot devices. Yes, I
made them both boot devices, but the the BIOS when it posted would only
take
one as the boot device. Otherwise, I would get an error that there was no
OS
to load because i didn't have the jumpers set properly. Now, whether there
is a IDE/SATA controller card for a PCI slot that will do this, I don't
know, but there are such controller cards.

Any boot loader will do what you say, but not as Master/Slave setting in
the
BIOS connected to the controllers on the MOBO itself, AFAIK.

Whether this is exactly what the OP wants, I do not know. His post was
not
very clear in this regard.

I agree, he was not clear at all.
========================
I tested my proposed configuration with the two disks connected as primary
master/primary slave. XOSL does not care whether a given disk is a master
or
a slave. If you include a given partition in its menu then it will boot
from
it. XOSL even allows you to boot into a logical drive!

This is right. I have in one computer as many as 6 OSs in two disks, one
primary master and the other secondary master. In another machine I have 5
OSs, in two disks, both masters, but one in the ordinary primary channel and
the other in the primary RAID channel. Xosl, can boot almost anything
whenever the OS supports booting from the partitions allocated. For example,
it cannot boot Win XP from a logical partition, but it boots all right Linux
from such a partition.

What I think Rogert wants is simply to have his old HD as storage device.
For that he must first create a partition for the whole HD and then format
it with the same file system (or lower) where the OS resides. In that way it
will appear in Windows as drive "D" or something. In this way, he simply
drags and drops files from one disk to the other. No need to dual boot.

Teilhard.

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added
a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the
data
I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and
use
it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed
me
to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2
drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to
go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot
from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate
from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.

If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you
suggest
cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch back and
forth
making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master to
secondary/slave
as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion won't work, as the
jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive to load up. Yes, you
can
make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary partiton, so to speak,
with
their own boot loaders), but the physical setup inside the tower needs
to
be
changed from master to slave, adn vice-versa for that to work in his
case,
meaning, changed the jumpers. I am fairly sure, that one can make a
jumper
switch for their box on the outside that would do such a thing.
===============
XOSL has the capability of switching drives on the fly, without
modifying
the master/slave jumpers. When the OP selects disk 1 as his boot drive
then
the machine will boot off disk 1, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 2
will appear as drive D:. When he selects disk 2 as his boot drive then
the
machine will boot off disk 2, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 1
will
now appear as drive D:.

But that will not work if the BIOS sees those drives as
Primary(master)/Secondary(slave), and the BIOS needs to set one as the
primary device from the IDE/SATA controller. The BIOS will not recognize
two
primary drives to load, unless there is a MOBO that does that. I tried
doing
that with my previous PC, and tried setting up both a boot devices. Yes, I
made them both boot devices, but the the BIOS when it posted would only
take
one as the boot device. Otherwise, I would get an error that there was no
OS
to load because i didn't have the jumpers set properly. Now, whether there
is a IDE/SATA controller card for a PCI slot that will do this, I don't
know, but there are such controller cards.

Any boot loader will do what you say, but not as Master/Slave setting in
the
BIOS connected to the controllers on the MOBO itself, AFAIK.

Whether this is exactly what the OP wants, I do not know. His post was
not
very clear in this regard.

I agree, he was not clear at all.
========================
I tested my proposed configuration with the two disks connected as primary
master/primary slave. XOSL does not care whether a given disk is a master
or
a slave. If you include a given partition in its menu then it will boot
from
it. XOSL even allows you to boot into a logical drive!

This is right. I have in one computer as many as 6 OSs in two disks, one
primary master and the other secondary master. In another machine I have 5
OSs, in two disks, both masters, but one in the ordinary primary channel and
the other in the primary RAID channel. Xosl, can boot almost anything
whenever the OS supports booting from the partitions allocated. For example,
it cannot boot Win XP from a logical partition, but it boots all right Linux
from such a partition.

What I think Rogert wants is simply to have his old HD as storage device.
For that he must first create a partition for the whole HD and then format
it with the same file system (or lower) where the OS resides. In that way it
will appear in Windows as drive "D" or something. In this way, he simply
drags and drops files from one disk to the other. No need to dual boot.

Teilhard.

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added
a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the
data
I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and
use
it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed
me
to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2
drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to
go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot
from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate
from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.

If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you
suggest
cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch back and
forth
making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master to
secondary/slave
as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion won't work, as the
jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive to load up. Yes, you
can
make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary partiton, so to speak,
with
their own boot loaders), but the physical setup inside the tower needs
to
be
changed from master to slave, adn vice-versa for that to work in his
case,
meaning, changed the jumpers. I am fairly sure, that one can make a
jumper
switch for their box on the outside that would do such a thing.
===============
XOSL has the capability of switching drives on the fly, without
modifying
the master/slave jumpers. When the OP selects disk 1 as his boot drive
then
the machine will boot off disk 1, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 2
will appear as drive D:. When he selects disk 2 as his boot drive then
the
machine will boot off disk 2, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 1
will
now appear as drive D:.

But that will not work if the BIOS sees those drives as
Primary(master)/Secondary(slave), and the BIOS needs to set one as the
primary device from the IDE/SATA controller. The BIOS will not recognize
two
primary drives to load, unless there is a MOBO that does that. I tried
doing
that with my previous PC, and tried setting up both a boot devices. Yes, I
made them both boot devices, but the the BIOS when it posted would only
take
one as the boot device. Otherwise, I would get an error that there was no
OS
to load because i didn't have the jumpers set properly. Now, whether there
is a IDE/SATA controller card for a PCI slot that will do this, I don't
know, but there are such controller cards.

Any boot loader will do what you say, but not as Master/Slave setting in
the
BIOS connected to the controllers on the MOBO itself, AFAIK.

Whether this is exactly what the OP wants, I do not know. His post was
not
very clear in this regard.

I agree, he was not clear at all.
========================
I tested my proposed configuration with the two disks connected as primary
master/primary slave. XOSL does not care whether a given disk is a master
or
a slave. If you include a given partition in its menu then it will boot
from
it. XOSL even allows you to boot into a logical drive!

This is right. I have in one computer as many as 6 OSs in two disks, one
primary master and the other secondary master. In another machine I have 5
OSs, in two disks, both masters, but one in the ordinary primary channel and
the other in the primary RAID channel. Xosl, can boot almost anything
whenever the OS supports booting from the partitions allocated. For example,
it cannot boot Win XP from a logical partition, but it boots all right Linux
from such a partition.

What I think Rogert wants is simply to have his old HD as storage device.
For that he must first create a partition for the whole HD and then format
it with the same file system (or lower) where the OS resides. In that way it
will appear in Windows as drive "D" or something. In this way, he simply
drags and drops files from one disk to the other. No need to dual boot.

Teilhard.

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added
a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the
data
I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and
use
it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed
me
to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2
drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to
go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot
from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate
from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.

If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you
suggest
cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch back and
forth
making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master to
secondary/slave
as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion won't work, as the
jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive to load up. Yes, you
can
make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary partiton, so to speak,
with
their own boot loaders), but the physical setup inside the tower needs
to
be
changed from master to slave, adn vice-versa for that to work in his
case,
meaning, changed the jumpers. I am fairly sure, that one can make a
jumper
switch for their box on the outside that would do such a thing.
===============
XOSL has the capability of switching drives on the fly, without
modifying
the master/slave jumpers. When the OP selects disk 1 as his boot drive
then
the machine will boot off disk 1, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 2
will appear as drive D:. When he selects disk 2 as his boot drive then
the
machine will boot off disk 2, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 1
will
now appear as drive D:.

But that will not work if the BIOS sees those drives as
Primary(master)/Secondary(slave), and the BIOS needs to set one as the
primary device from the IDE/SATA controller. The BIOS will not recognize
two
primary drives to load, unless there is a MOBO that does that. I tried
doing
that with my previous PC, and tried setting up both a boot devices. Yes, I
made them both boot devices, but the the BIOS when it posted would only
take
one as the boot device. Otherwise, I would get an error that there was no
OS
to load because i didn't have the jumpers set properly. Now, whether there
is a IDE/SATA controller card for a PCI slot that will do this, I don't
know, but there are such controller cards.

Any boot loader will do what you say, but not as Master/Slave setting in
the
BIOS connected to the controllers on the MOBO itself, AFAIK.

Whether this is exactly what the OP wants, I do not know. His post was
not
very clear in this regard.

I agree, he was not clear at all.
========================
I tested my proposed configuration with the two disks connected as primary
master/primary slave. XOSL does not care whether a given disk is a master
or
a slave. If you include a given partition in its menu then it will boot
from
it. XOSL even allows you to boot into a logical drive!

This is right. I have in one computer as many as 6 OSs in two disks, one
primary master and the other secondary master. In another machine I have 5
OSs, in two disks, both masters, but one in the ordinary primary channel and
the other in the primary RAID channel. Xosl, can boot almost anything
whenever the OS supports booting from the partitions allocated. For example,
it cannot boot Win XP from a logical partition, but it boots all right Linux
from such a partition.

What I think Rogert wants is simply to have his old HD as storage device.
For that he must first create a partition for the whole HD and then format
it with the same file system (or lower) where the OS resides. In that way it
will appear in Windows as drive "D" or something. In this way, he simply
drags and drops files from one disk to the other. No need to dual boot.

Teilhard.

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"Tom" wrote in message
...

"Pegasus" wrote in message
...

"rogert" wrote in message
...
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400 rpm drive. I added
a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and wanted to keep
data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my leisure all the
data
I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN- "wipe" the old and
use
it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital support directed
me
to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just combined the 2
drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware, bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change configurations, whatever to
go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will allow me to boot
from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and forth then in the
end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive? Still seperate
from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface, and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.

If I read his post correctly, that isn't what he wants, and what you
suggest
cannot work with what he wants. He wants to be able to switch back and
forth
making each drive the master drive (as opposed to master to
secondary/slave
as shown in the BIOS). In this case, your suggestion won't work, as the
jumpers need to be switched for separate hard drive to load up. Yes, you
can
make both drive a bootable drive (i.e. primary partiton, so to speak,
with
their own boot loaders), but the physical setup inside the tower needs
to
be
changed from master to slave, adn vice-versa for that to work in his
case,
meaning, changed the jumpers. I am fairly sure, that one can make a
jumper
switch for their box on the outside that would do such a thing.
===============
XOSL has the capability of switching drives on the fly, without
modifying
the master/slave jumpers. When the OP selects disk 1 as his boot drive
then
the machine will boot off disk 1, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 2
will appear as drive D:. When he selects disk 2 as his boot drive then
the
machine will boot off disk 2, and it will appear as drive C:. Disk 1
will
now appear as drive D:.

But that will not work if the BIOS sees those drives as
Primary(master)/Secondary(slave), and the BIOS needs to set one as the
primary device from the IDE/SATA controller. The BIOS will not recognize
two
primary drives to load, unless there is a MOBO that does that. I tried
doing
that with my previous PC, and tried setting up both a boot devices. Yes, I
made them both boot devices, but the the BIOS when it posted would only
take
one as the boot device. Otherwise, I would get an error that there was no
OS
to load because i didn't have the jumpers set properly. Now, whether there
is a IDE/SATA controller card for a PCI slot that will do this, I don't
know, but there are such controller cards.

Any boot loader will do what you say, but not as Master/Slave setting in
the
BIOS connected to the controllers on the MOBO itself, AFAIK.

Whether this is exactly what the OP wants, I do not know. His post was
not
very clear in this regard.

I agree, he was not clear at all.
========================
I tested my proposed configuration with the two disks connected as primary
master/primary slave. XOSL does not care whether a given disk is a master
or
a slave. If you include a given partition in its menu then it will boot
from
it. XOSL even allows you to boot into a logical drive!

This is right. I have in one computer as many as 6 OSs in two disks, one
primary master and the other secondary master. In another machine I have 5
OSs, in two disks, both masters, but one in the ordinary primary channel and
the other in the primary RAID channel. Xosl, can boot almost anything
whenever the OS supports booting from the partitions allocated. For example,
it cannot boot Win XP from a logical partition, but it boots all right Linux
from such a partition.

What I think Rogert wants is simply to have his old HD as storage device.
For that he must first create a partition for the whole HD and then format
it with the same file system (or lower) where the OS resides. In that way it
will appear in Windows as drive "D" or something. In this way, he simply
drags and drops files from one disk to the other. No need to dual boot.

Teilhard.

-----Original Message-----

"rogert" wrote in message
.. .
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400
rpm drive. I added a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and
wanted to keep data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my
leisure all the data I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN-
"wipe" the old and use it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital
support directed me to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just
combined the 2 drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had
files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware,
bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on
others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change
configurations, whatever to go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will
allow me to boot from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and
forth then in the end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive?
Still seperate from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two
disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be
able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the
other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot
loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface,
and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.


Hi,
I'm not the original questioner but I would like more
info on using XOSL. We have 2 hard drives, one with
Winows 98 and one with XP Professional.
We want to be able to put them into one cpu and be able
to boot to either one of them. We tried setting the one
with 98 as a slave but we can not get into it that way.
When I was reading about XOSL, it seemed to be wanting to
just partition one drive, but this is not what we want to
do at this point. Will XOSL let us boot to either of
these drives and will the instructions be understandable
by someone that is not a computer genius? Thank you for
your help.
Wauna

"Wauna" wrote in message
...

-----Original Message-----

"rogert" wrote in message
.. .
Before I had just a WD120 gig HD that was/is a 5400
rpm drive. I added a
new
WD160 gig HD at 7200 rpm. I was/am running XP Home and
wanted to keep data
and OS seperate on the old and new HD, copy, at my
leisure all the data I
wanted to keep from the old to the new HD -THEN-
"wipe" the old and use it
simply as an archive storage drive. Western Digital
support directed me to
use master/slave configuration. Fine but that just
combined the 2 drive,
essentially into 1 280 gig drive w/1 XP os. I had
files I wanted stuff
from
but didn't want to inherit all the settings, adware,
bulls%^t etc. I
wanted
to use some settings on some programs and not some on
others. Now it's
kinda
all in the same "mess"
My question is; is it too late to change
configurations, whatever to go
to
the type of setup I wanted in the first place?
In other words go to the configuration that will
allow me to boot from
either drive I want to, copy selective data back and
forth then in the end
keep the second HD as just an archive/storage drive?
Still seperate from
the
new 160 gig primary drive?
Any help here would be greatly appreciated.



If I understand you correctly then you will have two
disks, each
with its own operating system, and you would like to be
able to
boot from each and at all times be able to access the
other.

This is easily achieved with some third-party boot
loaders.
I would use XOSL: It's got a very nice user interface,
and it's
free.

Post again if you require more details.


Hi,
I'm not the original questioner but I would like more
info on using XOSL. We have 2 hard drives, one with
Winows 98 and one with XP Professional.
We want to be able to put them into one cpu and be able
to boot to either one of them. We tried setting the one
with 98 as a slave but we can not get into it that way.
When I was reading about XOSL, it seemed to be wanting to
just partition one drive, but this is not what we want to
do at this point. Will XOSL let us boot to either of
these drives and will the instructions be understandable
by someone that is not a computer genius? Thank you for
your help.
Wauna


XOSL lets you boot from either drive. The product comes
with help files but they may be insufficient for a novice.
Remember that it's a freeware product (but a terrific one!).
Post your exact setup here (i.e. an exact map of all your
partitions, their type and their purpose), plus your exact
requirements, and we'll step you throuth the process.